Missed out again!!!! Ducksch now Avest

[nutty nigel 7,533]

I don''t remember Lambert signing any prolific strikers...

I suppose the best was Simeon who scored less than 1 in 4?

[Derby Canary 3]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]I don''t remember Lambert signing any prolific strikers...

I suppose the best was Simeon who scored less than 1 in 4?[/quote]

Maybe not Nutty but he recruited individuals that played as a team to score enough goals to gain us promotion a time or two. He also gave you the impression that any target he wanted badly enough would join us eventually.

[Herman 9,760]

Like who? Most he signed were from small clubs that wanted to join a bigger club. Give us a few examples.

[nutty nigel 7,533]

He was extremely lucky to inherit Holt, Martin and Wes.

Simeon was the best he signed. Then Morrison 1 in 5. Wibraham 1 in 14. Not forgetting the former occupant of Jarvis''s treatment table, Vaughan who didn''t score any.

No Grant Holt, no promotions, just another standard Lambert tenure.

[River End Canary 18]

What Lambert could do was sell a club on its ar$e to new players

Webber/Farke are clearly having severe difficulties in landing any of their targets

[nutty nigel 7,533]

Yes, new players, but not players to score the goals to progress the club. Take the players Lambert inherited out of the club and it''s still on it''s ar$e...

[Derby Canary 3]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]Yes, new players, but not players to score the goals to progress the club. Take the players Lambert inherited out of the club and it''s still on it''s ar$e...[/quote]

Progress the Club??

Oh you people of short memory! He picked it up off it''s proverbial, in the depths of L1 and after a 7-1 thrashing by his goodself. He took it to the Premiership and it was this same board that denied him the investment to ''progress'' further. This was the principal reason for his departure. Oh for a Benteke then. Picked from nowhere for relative peanuts and at that stage one of the most feared strikers in the land!

[Surfer 1,547]

I don''t agree with much of what is said here about lack of investment and "should have, could have", but I do agree on that one - where would we be if Paul Lambert had brought Benteke to Norwich not Villa?

[Derby Canary 3]

[quote user="Surfer"]I don''t agree with much of what is said here about lack of investment and "should have, could have", but I do agree on that one - where would we be if Paul Lambert had brought Benteke to Norwich not Villa?[/quote]

In short Surfer....not in the b....y mess we are in now!

[nutty nigel 7,533]

Lambert, Culverhouse, Holty and Wes were a perfect storm and we loved it. But that doesn''t mean Lambert would repeat that now. We were his perfect storm too. He''s not progressed a club from the day he left despite numerous attempts. Culverhouse managed to get Kings Lynn into the play offs. Still to be seen if he can progress a club a little higher up the pyramid. Holty managed to keep us in the PL one more season and Wes has been Wes.

Oh, and Benteke is no Grant Holt and never will be.

[king canary 7,605]

"No Grant Holt, no promotions, just another standard Lambert tenure. "

What is this weird need some of our fans have to do down our most successful manager in decades?

I''m sure you''d have no time for an argument of ''No rebate/Michael Foulger, no Holt, no promotions, Delia and MWJ out.''

[nutty nigel 7,533]

Kingo, I admire you immensely for the way you continually try and make every thread a reasonable debate. It''s just that some of the threads are a lost cause. But good luck anyway👍

[king canary 7,605]

One of your weaker posts, still reasonably patronising though.

[nutty nigel 7,533]

I think I go beyond the limit of your patience Kingo. I''ll take that. Especially in this company.

[hogesar 9,667]

But king, Nutty is making a valid point. Lambert was great but using some make-up notion that he always got his targets (probably not his job anyway) to put down the current regime isnt only stupid its more than likely incorrect anyway. Even if it was his job and he did get a 100% success rate we didn''t exactly sign players where we would have to fight for their signature.

[king canary 7,605]

That''s not what I''m disagreeing with though. I''m disagreeing with the patently silly argument that without Holt we''d not have got promoted. As mentioned Nutty would have no truck with similar arguments against the owners so why is this one ok? Because he''s arguing with a troll?

[Derby Canary 3]

"Oh, and Benteke is no Grant Holt and never will be. "

Just about says it all! Can''t take anymore of this. Benteke was then in a different league folks get real!

[nutty nigel 7,533]

You making yourself look daft now Derby. Or should I say dafter. Footballs a team game and Grant Holt was not just a striker but also a huge part of Lambert''s team ethic. And you think replacing him with Benteke would improve us? You remind me of the people who continually said Holty couldn''t step up. In fact you were probably one of them.

[hogesar 9,667]

Ah! With you king.

Although saying we wouldn''t have got promotion without Holt isnt any sillier than those saying we would have been relegated last season without maddison.

[Surfer 1,547]

During the 2011-2012 season we had Holt, Morison, Jackson, Wilbraham and Vaughan as strikers with Martin out on loan to Crystal Palace. During the 2012 - 2013 season we let Wilbraham and Jackson go, swapped Morison for Becchio (then basically never played him) and loaned out Vaughan to Huddersfield and Martin to Swindon & Derby. So we had a major reduction in striker headcount and no quality added, which we just about got away with as Holt was still doing the business. If we had been able to add Benteke into the mix for 2012 - 2013 it could IMO have solved a lot of the problems seen in 2013 - 2014, where we let go Holt, Martin, Jackson and Vaughan, and started over with RvW, Hooper, Elmander and the aforementioned ghost player Becchio.

[Derby Canary 3]

[quote user="Surfer"]During the 2011-2012 season we had Holt, Morison, Jackson, Wilbraham and Vaughan as strikers with Martin out on loan to Crystal Palace. During the 2012 - 2013 season we let Wilbraham and Jackson go, swapped Morison for Becchio (then basically never played him) and loaned out Vaughan to Huddersfield and Martin to Swindon & Derby. So we had a major reduction in striker headcount and no quality added, which we just about got away with as Holt was still doing the business. If we had been able to add Benteke into the mix for 2012 - 2013 it could IMO have solved a lot of the problems seen in 2013 - 2014, where we let go Holt, Martin, Jackson and Vaughan, and started over with RvW, Hooper, Elmander and the aforementioned ghost player Becchio.[/quote]

Agree Surfer. But at that stage investment at that level/backing of Lambert was a bridge too far. Then (soon after) our ill informed Board panicked and invested even more can you believe in Ricky V-W. You know the rest, it''s horrible!

While I acknowledge the great contribution GH made to our Club (in the Lambert era) and concede the multiple downsides of Chris Martin I also wonder what could have been achieved if we could have somehow motivated him to play the target man role he did for a couple of years up here, with 20+ goals per season. With his very questionable temperament I think playing ''second fiddle'' to GH probably stifled that amount of effort. Sadly his many downsides have continued to manifest themselves both here and at the various Clubs he has been loaned out to.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="A Load of Squit"]

[quote user="Derby Canary"]Oh for the days when we had a management team that always got their man. Nobody seems attracted by the smooth tongued Webber or the "ambitions" of our Club.....I wonder why. Do n''t they know that the upcoming season has been trailed as the one when our WIP will yield ultimate success? Not to worry no doubt Jordan Rhodes will pop along for an end of career earning fest![/quote]

When was this?

[/quote]

I think this is a reference to the McNasty-Bowkett era where they picked off the likes of Howson, Pilkington, Snodgrass, Johnson, Morison, Becchio, Olsson whilst on the way up then added the likes of Bassong, etc.

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="A Load of Squit"]

[quote user="Derby Canary"]Oh for the days when we had a management team that always got their man. Nobody seems attracted by the smooth tongued Webber or the "ambitions" of our Club.....I wonder why. Do n''t they know that the upcoming season has been trailed as the one when our WIP will yield ultimate success? Not to worry no doubt Jordan Rhodes will pop along for an end of career earning fest![/quote]

When was this?

[/quote]

I think this is a reference to the McNasty-Bowkett era where they picked off the likes of Howson, Pilkington, Snodgrass, Johnson, Morison, Becchio, Olsson whilst on the way up then added the likes of Bassong, etc.[/quote]

So in the ''McNasty-Bowkett'' they ''always got their man''?

[Big Vince 318]

On the whole, yes.

It is easier to do if you''ve got upward momentum, but harder to achieve if you''re in a downward spiral.

No one wants to sign for us now because the many, repeated mistakes of the Suffolk Socialists have locked us onto a downward path and therefore made us an unattractive proposition to ambitious players.

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="Big Vince"]On the whole, yes.

It is easier to do if you''ve got upward momentum, but harder to achieve if you''re in a downward spiral.

No one wants to sign for us now because the many, repeated mistakes of the Suffolk Socialists have locked us onto a downward path and therefore made us an unattractive proposition to ambitious players.[/quote]

So the correct answer is no they didn''t always get thier man because we never have. The OP is based on something that never happened.

[Derby Canary 3]

[quote user="TCCANARY"]

[quote user="Big Vince"]On the whole, yes.

It is easier to do if you''ve got upward momentum, but harder to achieve if you''re in a downward spiral.

No one wants to sign for us now because the many, repeated mistakes of the Suffolk Socialists have locked us onto a downward path and therefore made us an unattractive proposition to ambitious players.[/quote]

So the correct answer is no they didn''t always get thier man because we never have. The OP is based on something that never happened.

[/quote]

The point though TC is that few if any (other than those earning significantly less/with no other options) now seem to want to join us whereas there was a time when we were able to attract the likes of Howson, Snodgrass etc etc. We have heard the usual excuses location etc etc but the reality nobody seems to regard us as career progression.

[Bill 1,788]

stop keep whining bin boy

[A Load of Squit 5,162]

[quote user="Derby Canary"][quote user="TCCANARY"]

[quote user="Big Vince"]On the whole, yes.

It is easier to do if you''ve got upward momentum, but harder to achieve if you''re in a downward spiral.

No one wants to sign for us now because the many, repeated mistakes of the Suffolk Socialists have locked us onto a downward path and therefore made us an unattractive proposition to ambitious players.[/quote]

So the correct answer is no they didn''t always get thier man because we never have. The OP is based on something that never happened.

[/quote]

The point though TC is that few if any (other than those earning significantly less/with no other options) now seem to want to join us whereas there was a time when we were able to attract the likes of Howson, Snodgrass etc etc. We have heard the usual excuses location etc etc but the reality nobody seems to regard us as career progression.[/quote]

No, the point is he chose Serie A instead of the Championship.

In previous years we''ve tried to buy players and they''ve chosen Seria A over the Premier League.

[Derby Canary 3]

Persistence does occasionally pay off eg Steven Naismith! We chased him for a number of ''windows''!

[Bill 1,788]

"We" ?

you lot at poorman road will have to make do with cast offs from Wimbledon and Colchester

Let''s just hope Evans isn''t in asset stripping mode, or Waghorn and your keeper will be flogged off