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Sorry can''t do clicky. Interesting that when they are in a predicament with regard to their finances, they go out and do something about it. Admittedly they are by far a bigger club than us and so there is a massive potential there but it goes to show there is hinvestment available and CIA is even staying on as Chairman, albeit in a joint capacity.

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"There are still questions over just how much the cash injection is"

So a fire sale by their panicked Chinese investor, or a firm basis for moving forward as a sustainable club?

Hum...

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In theory they should still have issues ahead as by all accounts they didn''t comply with the FFP rules last year so presumably can''t simply throw money at it again this year?

Be interesting to see how it pans out

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The BBC article says both hinvestors are Villa fans. Anyone know if this is true or just spin? I suspect the list of billionaire Norwich fans is quite short.

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[quote user="Nuff Said"]The BBC article says both hinvestors are Villa fans. Anyone know if this is true or just spin? I suspect the list of billionaire Norwich fans is quite short.[/quote]
That BBC piece just says they are football fans. It doesn''t link them to Villa. Nor does the main article in the Birmingham Mail, having skimmed that.

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[quote user="Surfer"]"There are still questions over just how much the cash injection is"

So a fire sale by their panicked Chinese investor, or a firm basis for moving forward as a sustainable club?

Hum...[/quote]

Who have they sold out of curiosity? We have been the selling club and spent about £4mill of the £36m...

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[quote user="Dr Greenthumb"][quote user="Surfer"]"There are still questions over just how much the cash injection is"

So a fire sale by their panicked Chinese investor, or a firm basis for moving forward as a sustainable club?

Hum...[/quote]

Who have they sold out of curiosity? We have been the selling club and spent about £4mill of the £36m...[/quote]
I think you misunderstand. I believe that is not a reference to a fire sale of players but of the club, or of part of it.

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So they have lost c£100m in the last two seasons and are still in the same division as us.
That went well

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[quote user="Miss Demeanor"]Moving forward by selling off any decent player we have? Yea, I can see that being sustainable![/quote]I have heard that Villa are going to sell James Chester and Jack Grealish, but that is hardly "any decent player." After the "casino years" have taken them into their current mess, I''m sure that "sustainable" development will be good news for Villa fans over the medium term. Like us, they will have to do deals to get rid of some of the legacy of the profligate years (e.g. McCormack) but I imagine that their sustainable turnover is at least 50% higher than most championship clubs and they have every reason to be optimistic in the future if the owners turn out to be sensible and they can attain the right sort of manager.

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]I know I''m the resident numbskull but how will more investment help them comply with FFP?[/quote]As I understand it, they will still be in the same position re FFP, but they will not now face immediate pressure to pay tax bills, wages etc.I''d love to find out more about the deal, but that might take months/years! I''ll bet that they got a good price off Xia!

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With the talk about FFP, is it really a deterrent? I have yet to see an EPL or EFL club be seriously sanctioned that has resulted in a club suffering any great hardship or relegation? What happened to QPR, Forest, Bournemouth? It all seems like an idle threat IMO.

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QPR were given a £40m fine by the EFL due to FFP - the case is currently going through the courts but could see them relegated to non-League.

The threat of FFP seems to be working, with Derby, Sheff Wed and Birmingham all having to sell (or loan out) players in order to meet the requirements.

Villa will still have to sell players, even with this ‘investment’ to stay in line with FFP which they are desperately trying to do. They just won’t be quite so much over a barrel as they would have been without the investment as they will at least be able to pay everyone’s wages on time.

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Villas parachute payments run out after this season
they will face the same problems as us
having to pare down their wage bill to meet the far lower income
so any signings this summer (or Jan) will have to reflect that upcoming finacial position
doesn''t look good

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[quote user="Miss Demeanor"]With the talk about FFP, is it really a deterrent? I have yet to see an EPL or EFL club be seriously sanctioned that has resulted in a club suffering any great hardship or relegation? What happened to QPR, Forest, Bournemouth? It all seems like an idle threat IMO.[/quote]
It is a deterrent that has worked in the Championship, although there is obviously a problem with clubs that cheat their way to the Premier League in the hope that they don''t then get relegated back. I think Bournemouth counts as an example there.And I am sure this will be a growing problem, because, as said before, of the combination of the influx of corporate-based money (often from overseas) and a misguided change to the FFP rules. There is not much doubt in my mind that Villa gambled in just that way - a former top executive effectively admitted so - and that other clubs have and will.
But clubs have been penalised. I think Fulham and Forest, to name two, were hit with transfer embargos, and in the end I believe QPR will have to pay that massive fine. And, for example, in the 2015-16 season in the Championship every club complied woth FFP. So clubs were deterred.

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The difference between us and QPR is that we have planned for our financial position and have directed resources towards that end.
QPR have found themselves dumped on from a great height and are struggling to cope - something I suspect is happening at Villa.
If QPR going down this coming season they could well be at the mercy of those wanting to get their hands on Loftus Road given it''s location.
If nly our club had not been so careful, look where we could be.

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"]
[quote user="Miss Demeanor"]With the talk about FFP, is it really a deterrent? I have yet to see an EPL or EFL club be seriously sanctioned that has resulted in a club suffering any great hardship or relegation? What happened to QPR, Forest, Bournemouth? It all seems like an idle threat IMO.[/quote]
It is a deterrent that has worked in the Championship, although there is obviously a problem with clubs that cheat their way to the Premier League in the hope that they don''t then get relegated back. I think Bournemouth counts as an example there.And I am sure this will be a growing problem, because, as said before, of the combination of the influx of corporate-based money (often from overseas) and a misguided change to the FFP rules. There is not much doubt in my mind that Villa gambled in just that way - a former top executive effectively admitted so - and that other clubs have and will.
But clubs have been penalised. I think Fulham and Forest, to name two, were hit with transfer embargos, and in the end I believe QPR will have to pay that massive fine. And, for example, in the 2015-16 season in the Championship every club complied woth FFP. So clubs were deterred.
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I''m assuming the gamble is based on the fact that FFFP is now worked out over 3 years? But as I understand it Villa are still in dire straights even though they have another years parachute payment to come. That''s some gamble.
Amazing that it was only last Feb that they were lauded on here as a club going about their business in the right way. 
But I''m a bit confused if this latest news means they are a club we should want to be or not...

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"But I''m a bit confused if this latest news means they are a club we should want to be or not..."
depends on what part of the region your loyalties lie

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I want to be a fan of Norwich City and be given the best chance of success in the football pyramid. We are on a downward spiral and I can''t see us heading upwards with the current board and its philosophy.

We digress about FFP, the fact of the matter is that there are entities who are willing to invest in football teams and not then necessarily demand the keys to the tower, unlike what our board have led us to believe!

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]
[quote user="Miss Demeanor"]With the talk about FFP, is it really a deterrent? I have yet to see an EPL or EFL club be seriously sanctioned that has resulted in a club suffering any great hardship or relegation? What happened to QPR, Forest, Bournemouth? It all seems like an idle threat IMO.[/quote]
It is a deterrent that has worked in the Championship, although there is obviously a problem with clubs that cheat their way to the Premier League in the hope that they don''t then get relegated back. I think Bournemouth counts as an example there.And I am sure this will be a growing problem, because, as said before, of the combination of the influx of corporate-based money (often from overseas) and a misguided change to the FFP rules. There is not much doubt in my mind that Villa gambled in just that way - a former top executive effectively admitted so - and that other clubs have and will.
But clubs have been penalised. I think Fulham and Forest, to name two, were hit with transfer embargos, and in the end I believe QPR will have to pay that massive fine. And, for example, in the 2015-16 season in the Championship every club complied woth FFP. So clubs were deterred.
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I''m assuming the gamble is based on the fact that FFFP is now worked out over 3 years? But as I understand it Villa are still in dire straights even though they have another years parachute payment to come. That''s some gamble.
Amazing that it was only last Feb that they were lauded on here as a club going about their business in the right way. 
But I''m a bit confused if this latest news means they are a club we should want to be or not...
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It was changed - and I can see why - from a specific sum that could be lost each year to a loss of 39 million over three years. But the temptation, especially for owners with a corporate, risk-taking background, as opposed to local fan-owners such as Jack Walker and Smith and Jones, is to blow all that 39m in the first season. If it works and you get promoted then there isn''t a probem.If you don''t go up then the temptation is to lose another 39m the next season, breaking FFP but gambling that this time all that money will surely get you promoted and out of jail.
I don''t know if that is what Villa have done. They may even not have broken FFP so far, and are only cutting back now because of the danger of breaking it in the coming season. But if there really were posters last season praising Villa''s casino-style "plan" as sensible then I am glad they have nothing to do with running Norwich City Football Club.

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My mate who is a villa fan says the club are running at a 5m a week loss and that Tan has the money but cannot just bail them out as it has to be money generated by the club, to meet ffp and they owe the 4m tax bill on top of that.

I hope the club struggles as most villa fans seem to think they have a god given right to be playing premiership and European football.

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You gotta be pretty desperate to criticise our owners / club if you''re going to try and pin Villa as something to aspire to!

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