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It is generally accepted that the Canary Board were mightily impressed with that Huddersfield Town display at Carrow Road two years'' ago.

Considering how Norwich were EPL the year before, how could they be played off the park with such high intensity by a club like Huddersfield? This was a fair question for the Board to ponder. However, having done their pondering they reached entirely the wrong conclusion. They concluded that it was a little known boy behind the scenes who was the inspiration behind Huddersfield. That boy, as we all know now, is the boy Webber.

How wrong they were! The beauty of hindsight is that the Suffolk Socialists can once again be proved to be no good. It is obvious now that Huddersfield''s success has been due to the money put in by the boy Hoyte and the philosophy and methods of the boy Wagner. Webber did not pull off any masterstroke in finding Wagner. Going to Dortmund to hire your coaches is not the magic formula for success in football. Webber simply got lucky. Wagner''s methods and Farke''s methods are completely different. Where Wagner has worked, Farke has failed.

But for some reason, that night under the lights at Carrow Road unleashed a chain of events that saw the end of the role of chief executive and the identification of Stuart Webber as the new Messiah who was going to wave all kinds of magic wands in a newly created role of sporting director. The Canary public and Archant bought into all the hype and so last season kicked off with the Webberlution as the latest buzz word.

The misplaced feel-good factor quickly evaporated as we were served up some of the direst football in living memory. There were murmurings in some quarters that even Lol Morgan was better than Farke. Pre-season has shown that Farke has not changed his spots at all and we now go into another season employing the same methods as before, but somehow expecting a different outcome.

Maybe Huddersfield knew something we didn''t, as surely they would have fought nail and tooth to keep this messianic figure that we fell for line, hook and stinker.

Of course I would never in a million years expect this Board to learn any lessons, but for the record, they are:

1. Don''t make assumptions about other teams'' success.

2. It is not a foregone conclusion that Borussia Dortmund football club is littered with all the jewels for success in the Championship.

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Good grief, there is so much askew with that op, I don''t know where to start.  
This will suffice. In Wagner''s first season Huddersfield barely survived. It took him to his second season to get results so as that stands, in comparison, the boy Farke hasn''t failed as his second season hasn''t started yet.   Also, Webber has done a good job in recruiting what he has and getting good money for players gone, so no problem there either. 
Come back with this at the end of the season and we will see how right you are.  Right now, the rest of us, or most of us, are probably looking forward to the new season. If you aren''t, I feel sorry for you.

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Firstly, Darren Eadie is not a legend. He was always injured.

Your club legends were Iwan Roberts, Grant Holt, Kevin Keelan, Dave Stringer, Duncan Forbes, Darren Huckerby, etc.

Secondly, is this event not hosted by the girl Diane?

As I recall, the girl Diane insulted me last season by suggesting that I supported another team down the A140.

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[quote user="Big Vince"]Firstly, Darren Eadie is not a legend. He was always injured.

Your club legends were Iwan Roberts, Grant Holt, Kevin Keelan, Dave Stringer, Duncan Forbes, Darren Huckerby, etc.

Secondly, is this event not hosted by the girl Diane?

As I recall, the girl Diane insulted me last season by suggesting that I supported another team down the A140.[/quote]

Miserable git

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[quote user="Big Vince"]Firstly, Darren Eadie is not a legend. He was always injured.

Your club legends were Iwan Roberts, Grant Holt, Kevin Keelan, Dave Stringer, Duncan Forbes, Darren Huckerby, etc.

Secondly, is this event not hosted by the girl Diane?

As I recall, the girl Diane insulted me last season by suggesting that I supported another team down the A140.[/quote]
It was a good suggestion.

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[quote user="Big Vince"]Firstly, Darren Eadie is not a legend. He was always injured.[/quote]He still managed over 200 games for us despite his injury issues.
He was always brilliant to watch with real pace and threat and frankly I think it''s a disgrace that you want to dismiss his contribution to the club, which includes a player of the season award, an excellent 17 goal return in the season he was fully fit and his work with the club following his sale for purely financial reasons.
So sick of trolls like Pig Mince posting incessant s**t and slating the club at every opportunity, it''s a good job this board isn''t fully moderated because your a$$ would have been gone long ago...

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[quote user="Rivvo"]The ‘ your club’ phrase tells the whole story I think.[/quote]
Yes indeed. In case anyone missed it -
"Firstly, Darren Eadie is not a legend. He was always injured. 

Your club legends were Iwan Roberts, Grant Holt, Kevin Keelan, Dave Stringer, Duncan Forbes, Darren Huckerby, etc."
Caught. Hook, line and sinker.

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]Darren Eadie is a member of The Hall of Fame.
[/quote]
Yes, but then so is Max Briggs, Daryl Sutch...and Robert Chase.

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The only thing that’s yellow about Big Vince are the lemons he’s been sucking.

The facts remain that Huddersfield had a distinct playing style and a team that were on paper vastly less expensive than our own. We have never set out to replicate their tactical play. However we did want to hire someone who was as much a coach as a manager, who could tap into our excellent youth set up- Farke had demonstrable qualities in this regard. We also needed a different approach to buying players and given that Webber had demonstrated capabilities of buying low cost players for a side that was promoted but which didn’t buy their way out of the championship. He too was an obvious choice. Huddersfield’s promotion was a collaborative effort. It was not all down to Webber although he did play an important part. So let’s stop this deranged emotive chuntering and conspiracy theory nonesense based on Big Vince’s excrement analysis and maybe lay off the lemons for a bit. In Huddersfield they actually support their team - that too is a strategy worth copying.

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[quote user="Old Shuck"]
"Your club" -what a giveaway.
Who are your clubs legends, Vince?
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My club legends are:

1. Flecky

2. Dale Gordon

3. Kevin Keelan

4. Ted MacDougall

5. Andrew Linighan

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="TIL 1010"]Darren Eadie is a member of The Hall of Fame.
[/quote]
Yes, but then so is Max Briggs, Daryl Sutch...and Robert Chase.
[/quote]

But Robert Chase was quite rightly a Hall of Famer.

He should have been one of the very first inductees.

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[quote user="Indy_Bones"]
[quote user="Big Vince"]Firstly, Darren Eadie is not a legend. He was always injured.[/quote]He still managed over 200 games for us despite his injury issues.
He was always brilliant to watch with real pace and threat and frankly I think it''s a disgrace that you want to dismiss his contribution to the club, which includes a player of the season award, an excellent 17 goal return in the season he was fully fit and his work with the club following his sale for purely financial reasons.
So sick of trolls like Pig Mince posting incessant s**t and slating the club at every opportunity, it''s a good job this board isn''t fully moderated because your a$$ would have been gone long ago...
[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to have their own favourite players and everyone will have their own reasons for choosing their favourite players.

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[quote user="Bonzo"]The only thing that’s yellow about Big Vince are the lemons he’s been sucking.

The facts remain that Huddersfield had a distinct playing style and a team that were on paper vastly less expensive than our own. We have never set out to replicate their tactical play. However we did want to hire someone who was as much a coach as a manager, who could tap into our excellent youth set up- Farke had demonstrable qualities in this regard. We also needed a different approach to buying players and given that Webber had demonstrated capabilities of buying low cost players for a side that was promoted but which didn’t buy their way out of the championship. He too was an obvious choice. Huddersfield’s promotion was a collaborative effort. It was not all down to Webber although he did play an important part. So let’s stop this deranged emotive chuntering and conspiracy theory nonesense based on Big Vince’s excrement analysis and maybe lay off the lemons for a bit. In Huddersfield they actually support their team - that too is a strategy worth copying.[/quote]

But the boy Webber said on arrival that our academy set up was no good and that we had squandered the EPL cash by not building a better academy in terms of players and buildings that go with it.

The Suffolk Socialists wanted to go for a coach rather than a manager because he would be cheaper and easier to control.

The Suffolk Socialists wanted to go for a sporting director instead of a chief exec for exactly the same reasons.

Yes, Webber was also attractive because he likes to bring in cheap foreign imports. This is very attractive to the Suffolk Socialists because they do not want to pay the going rate for British players.

It amazes me that people cannot see what is going on at this football club. Everything is set up in such a way as to maintain the Suffolk Socialists control of the club. It''s obvious. If things were done differently it wouldn''t work for them because they would run out of money.

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[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="Bonzo"]The only thing that’s yellow about Big Vince are the lemons he’s been sucking.

The facts remain that Huddersfield had a distinct playing style and a team that were on paper vastly less expensive than our own. We have never set out to replicate their tactical play. However we did want to hire someone who was as much a coach as a manager, who could tap into our excellent youth set up- Farke had demonstrable qualities in this regard. We also needed a different approach to buying players and given that Webber had demonstrated capabilities of buying low cost players for a side that was promoted but which didn’t buy their way out of the championship. He too was an obvious choice. Huddersfield’s promotion was a collaborative effort. It was not all down to Webber although he did play an important part. So let’s stop this deranged emotive chuntering and conspiracy theory nonesense based on Big Vince’s excrement analysis and maybe lay off the lemons for a bit. In Huddersfield they actually support their team - that too is a strategy worth copying.[/quote]

But the boy Webber said on arrival that our academy set up was no good and that we had squandered the EPL cash by not building a better academy in terms of players and buildings that go with it.

The Suffolk Socialists wanted to go for a coach rather than a manager because he would be cheaper and easier to control.

The Suffolk Socialists wanted to go for a sporting director instead of a chief exec for exactly the same reasons.

Yes, Webber was also attractive because he likes to bring in cheap foreign imports. This is very attractive to the Suffolk Socialists because they do not want to pay the going rate for British players.

It amazes me that people cannot see what is going on at this football club. Everything is set up in such a way as to maintain the Suffolk Socialists control of the club. It''s obvious. If things were done differently it wouldn''t work for them because they would run out of money.[/quote]
An inconvenient fact. We now have a sporting director, a chief executive and a finance director, so three jobs and three salaries instead of the two previously.

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Darren Eadie is a member of The Hall of Fame.

But wasn''t he injured and missed the induction ceremony?

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"]We now have a sporting director, a chief executive and a finance director, so three jobs and three salaries instead of the two previously.[/quote]
Don''t we have a sporting director and a managing director, and no CEO? 
[:^)]

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[quote user="Big Vince"] 

Everything is set up in such a way as to maintain the Suffolk Socialists control of the club. It''s obvious.[/quote]
Shock horror, majority shareholders want to control the club they err...control.

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[quote user="lake district canary"]
[quote user="PurpleCanary"]We now have a sporting director, a chief executive and a finance director, so three jobs and three salaries instead of the two previously.[/quote]
Don''t we have a sporting director and a managing director, and no CEO? 
[:^)]
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We used to have a chief executive (who dealt with the football side of that job), a finance director, a football manager and various football coaches. As I understand it, roughly speaking, the reorganisation had given us a sporting director, who has taken on all the football stuff at boardroom level the CEO dealt with but is also in much more control direct footballing of the head coach we now have than the old CEO was of the old-style manager, a managing director, who is in effect the CEO that was but without the footballing aspect, a finance director, roughly as before, although  perhaps with a slightly lesser portfolio, a head coach, who is the equivaent of the old-style football manager but subordinate to the sporting director in a way the  manager was not to the old chief executive (following this so far!) and - as before - various football coaches.
If anything, contrary to Big Vince''s notion that we hired Webber to save money, an extra layer of management, and so an extra salary, has been added.

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Firstly, if it’s purple canary that probably just means you are holding it too tightly.

Second, I’m pretty sure that the Directors took soundings from some very wise heads on the structure that was finally adopted, notably Roy Hodgkinson. The fact that another role was created as a result of the new strategy is of little consequence because sometimes money has to be spent to either save or make money. It would be in total sums that pale into insignificance compared to player wages or transfer fees.

P.S. If loosening your grip doesn’t help you might need to see a doctor.

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[quote user="Bonzo"]Firstly, if it’s purple canary that probably just means you are holding it too tightly.

Second, I’m pretty sure that the Directors took soundings from some very wise heads on the structure that was finally adopted, notably Roy Hodgkinson. The fact that another role was created as a result of the new strategy is of little consequence because sometimes money has to be spent to either save or make money. It would be in total sums that pale into insignificance compared to player wages or transfer fees.

P.S. If loosening your grip doesn’t help you might need to see a doctor.[/quote]
 
A couple of points. Yes the money may be comparitively small, but I was answering the specific claim from Big Vince that the club had been cost-cutting by hiring Webber, whereas if anything the new structure is more expensive in terms of senior staff.
As to how it came about, I am as sure as I can be that Ed Balls was the prime mover. He certainly talked to people around the country, including Damien Comolli, ex-Spurs and ex-Liverpool, who strongly recommended such a system. And may even have advised Balls to try to get Webber if he could, given that they worked together at Liverpool.
PS. The canary ended up that colour because it fell into the vat while I was tie-dyeing some kaftans, sixties-style.

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