River End Canary 18 Posted June 19, 2018 Purple is bang on look what can happen when you have supportive owners who wish to invest in the clubAnd us we have 2 fading socialists with not an ounce of ambition between them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,204 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Dicky"]I have supported Norwich all of my life, have seen many changes since the days of Paddon, Sugget, Keelen, Forbes etc and used to get very upset at the sales of players such as Reeves, Fashanu, Sutton, Bellamy. Norwich are and always will be a selling club. Get that. Other clubs will have bigger budgets and be more attractive to the likes of Maddison.What really bothers me though, is that in the past, players would come to us, have 3, 4, 5 good years and then we would sell them at a profit. Under our current regime, players such as Pritchard, Maddison and the Murphys are sold after a year. We are not able to hold on to any v. good players for any amount of time now.Most fans still talk about us being a yo-yo club - sorry, but this is more likely to be League1-Champs rather than Champs-Prem nowadays. We are willingly selling our decent players and replacing them with lower league players (particularly German ones) who are, at best average. The longer this goes on, the less able we are to attract decent players or decent prospects.Few weeks ago, was sitting next to Tony Bloom, the Brighton Chairman/Owner at a charity lunch and we spent an hour or so discussing football (obvs). His honest view (as a man who has put over £200million into Brighton) of Norwich''s prospects under Delia/MWJ''s ownership - football is changing very fast, we are not only failing to keep up, but are heading fast in the wrong direction. If we want a sniff of the Prem again, need some serious money coming into the club and show some ambition to attract good players/prospects.[/quote]Guess what? Brighton will probably be back in the Championship within 3 years Very good players always want to play in the highest league and earn the most money - the Huckerbys are very rare.Mr Bloom is riding the wave while he can, but he will know as well as anyone that their time in the sun is limited, whatever he calls his business model. And there''s the rub - he can afford to lose £200m on an ego trip; our owners don''t have that to lose.What has changed in football is the money and the influence of agents, so players get moved on much faster when they show promise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,204 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Midlands Yellow"]Watch what Stoke are spending this summer to maximise an immediate return . Of course it’s not just about money to get out of the Championship but it certainly helps if you back the manager .[/quote]I will happily put some money on Stoke not getting promoted next season. They think all they have to do is turn up - they have a very big shock coming their way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,314 Posted June 19, 2018 I bet Brighton have a cracking matchday menu too.Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="hogesar"]The best we can hope for is an application to join the Scottish second tier where we will be at our financial level. Just[/quote]And then we''d be relegated by Christmas hoggo. [:S] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted June 19, 2018 And that Purple demonstrates the incompatibility of our available debt or equity finance with even surviving in tier 2 let alone flourishing at that level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted June 19, 2018 What do I expect from Delia/Michael/Nephew Toms ownership?Fuck all and I fully expect them to return us to League 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey dangler 0 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Mello Yello"]I personally expect and think we''ll be superb and also a fluent footballing force to be reckoned with.....We will achieve automatic promotion and be crowned Champions!......Not bad skills eh? As I actually typed this with my nose, as my strait jacket is tight and my Wi-Fi signal is quite weak, due to the excessive internal padding on my cell......[/quote]MEGA LOL! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey dangler 0 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Highland Canary"]And that Purple demonstrates the incompatibility of our available debt or equity finance with even surviving in tier 2 let alone flourishing at that level.[/quote]Can we compete in Division one (tier 3)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,656 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Donkey dangler"][quote user="Highland Canary"]And that Purple demonstrates the incompatibility of our available debt or equity finance with even surviving in tier 2 let alone flourishing at that level.[/quote]Can we compete in Division one (tier 3)?[/quote]Surely you mean Division Three old money Tangie ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey dangler 0 Posted June 19, 2018 Mr. T.,Indeed Division Three! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Vince 317 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Crafty Canary"]The owners are not against investment so long as the investor wants no say in how the club is run and are not Johnny Foreigners.[/quote]I think we should nail this little deceit once and for all.The Suffolk Socialists are not interested in "investment". What they really want are donations because someone who "invests" without any shares with voting rights in return is making a donation and no businessman is ever going to do that, is he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0 Posted June 19, 2018 Seeing Maddison go to Leicester my mind wandered back to the King Power Stadium and our visit under Lambert. We won the game 3-1 or 3-2 were worthy winners. We have gone backwards and Leicester have gone forward they can afford £20+ million pound players and we are looking in the bargain basement. I cannot see any progress in the near future and with Webber telling supporters to go elsewhere if they don''t like it he might get his wish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,530 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Highland Canary"]And that Purple demonstrates the incompatibility of our available debt or equity finance with even surviving in tier 2 let alone flourishing at that level.[/quote]That''s odd. That wasn''t what I thought I was demonstrating at all. Which was that even with a multi-millionaire owner a club can rack up enormous and potentially burdensome and restrictive debt. Shows I didn''t understand my own post...And I didn''t really understand the bit about "our available debt or equity finance" model, presumably. I thought our model was to avoid going into debt while also not raising money by selling new shares, but I am almost certainly wrong about that as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="ridgeman"]Seeing Maddison go to Leicester my mind wandered back to the King Power Stadium and our visit under Lambert. We won the game 3-1 or 3-2 were worthy winners. We have gone backwards and Leicester have gone forward they can afford £20+ million pound players and we are looking in the bargain basement. I cannot see any progress in the near future and with Webber telling supporters to go elsewhere if they don''t like it he might get his wish. [/quote]That often happens with clubs in the PLI doubt that supporters will go anywhere - your sort will Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,825 Posted June 19, 2018 I was there and the performance was fantastic . 2,100 away fans on a Tuesday night making a lot of noise was a night to remember . General consensus around Leicester was that Norwich were the best they’d seen all season . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0 Posted June 19, 2018 My sort the sort that have been going since the late fifties regularly. The sort that saw the blankets being taken round to keep the club afloat. Don''t dig out supporters whilst supporting those running the club. It was Webber who said if supporters didn''t like it they could go elsewhere not me. Huddersfield don''t seem to have missed him in fact they closed their academy after he left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,656 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="ridgeman"]My sort the sort that have been going since the late fifties regularly. The sort that saw the blankets being taken round to keep the club afloat. Don''t dig out supporters whilst supporting those running the club. It was Webber who said if supporters didn''t like it they could go elsewhere not me. Huddersfield don''t seem to have missed him in fact they closed their academy after he left.[/quote]He will be accusing you of being a Binner next ridgeman. [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
River End Canary 18 Posted June 19, 2018 It is amazing just how depressing the ownership of the stowmarket 2 has become Don''t get me started on the future under nepotism Tom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,656 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Rick OShea "]It is amazing just how depressing the ownership of the stowmarket 2 has become Don''t get me started on the future under nepotism Tom[/quote]So you don''t think the future will be bright the future will be yellow then Rick ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xxxx 0 Posted June 19, 2018 There is no future under Delia simple as that, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted June 19, 2018 Will be interesting when Tom gets the club will he be a stubborn as his Aunt and think i will run it her way ?will he say this is not for me i would rather sit on a beach somewhere and retire and sell ?Maybe he thinks he has not got the Wealth and for the good of the club will sell on ?you never know how someone will act when left things by others Tom did not spend years buying and running the club he will just get a big windfall if he sells it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted June 19, 2018 I''m sure I read somewhere that Tom will be restrained in some ways when he takes the throne ... he won''t be allowed to sell up.Could be wrong! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted June 19, 2018 i did hear something about that also about a trust ? so who would own the shares if he stepped down then ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,530 Posted June 19, 2018 [quote user="Cantiaci Canary"]I''m sure I read somewhere that Tom will be restrained in some ways when he takes the throne ... he won''t be allowed to sell up.Could be wrong![/quote]A trust forms part of the plan for the future, but it has never been made clear who is or will be on it, what powers it may have, and whether it will work solely in an interim between Smith and Jones stepping down and Tom taking over or whether it will continue to oversee him etc etc etc. It is a question that Archant could have asked, and still could. And shareholders at an AGM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted June 19, 2018 If it went to a trust it must be harder to be taken over by a investor ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted June 19, 2018 These people that want Delia out seem to want it to happen with 0 effort by themselves. I raised it with some fans that are adamant Delia is pocketing transfer money and turning down multi billion investment opportunities on a weekly basis. We don''t know about those because of NDAs, apparently. Did I mention these fans are on one of the facebook fan pages? That should paint a picture. None of them were willing to hand out flyers let alone protest despite being ''the real fans who can see through the Delia spin'' . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted June 20, 2018 Hog i would find it hard to believe if we were put up for sale a richer person than Delia would be found ,smaller clubs can find Rich investors i am sure we could if Delia wanted to sell her shares Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,389 Posted June 20, 2018 [quote user="norfolkngood"]Hog i would find it hard to believe if we were put up for sale a richer person than Delia would be found ,smaller clubs can find Rich investors i am sure we could if Delia wanted to sell her shares[/quote]Finding an investor who is richer than Delia is the easy part! Finding someone like Tony Bloom that the OP cited is far harder. How would you ensure that you find an investor who is willing to offer tens of millions of pounds without wanting any financial returns? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 0 Posted June 20, 2018 [quote user=" Badger"][quote user="norfolkngood"]Hog i would find it hard to believe if we were put up for sale a richer person than Delia would be found ,smaller clubs can find Rich investors i am sure we could if Delia wanted to sell her shares[/quote]Finding an investor who is richer than Delia is the easy part! Finding someone like Tony Bloom that the OP cited is far harder. How would you ensure that you find an investor who is willing to offer tens of millions of pounds without wanting any financial returns?[/quote]Delia & Michael paid themselves back in full on the "investments / loans" they made so it''s happening already Share this post Link to post Share on other sites