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"The 12th Devine"

I work in HE in Birmingham and had these ''Lads'' on campus for our Open Day in March. No idea what figures they have chucked about but there weren''t more than 1,000-1,500 at the demo, more possibly at the ''Democratic'' equivalent half a mile away – apparently the difference between the two is about a financial fall out.

They spouted some garbage about ''Making Britain Great Again'' before – just a bit ironically – leaving the place piled high with s**t they couldn''t be bothered clearing up. They also urinated up the walls of buildings in open view of families – teenagers, parents, grandparents – attending the university for the day.

Someone on this thread said the Council was supportive of the event ... I mean, yes, but only because they''ve a legal duty to support free speech. I''m not in favour of denying these people the right to speak freely in public but don''t be in any doubt that the rhetoric was racist and the tone of the event vile.

Who the hell needs this mob to tell the world terrorism is an affront to democracy? No-one. Which is one big reason why that isn''t what they''re doing – they''re fermenting inter-racial hostility. Attach yourselves to this movement if you want to but don''t tell me or anyone else it''s anything other than a far right, racist, new brand successor to the National Front, BNP and EDL.

Good post, thanks.

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I know a bit about this whole stupid praying in Royal Parks story - it is a classic bit of hyperbole and misinformation from far-right groups on the internet.

The facts of the case are as follows;

The Muslim people praying are doing so at Speakers’ Corner, on the edge of Hyde Park in London. Hyde Park is a Royal Park and thus governed by the Royal Parks a charity group established only last year to manage the Crown owned ‘Royal Parks’ in London. I’m sure everyone is familiar with Speakers’ Corner - the geographic manifestation of the British belief of free speech. It has been a historical flash point for protest and controversial speech - although not free from the laws of the country as some people believe. The only exception is that you can make a public address or speech in this area without written permission from the Royal Parks. There has also been a history of fairly extreme religious views being promoted here. It is a bit of a nightmare for the police as there are regularly fights and confrontations there.

The Royal Parks have a policy that no communal praying is allowed in their parks. It is a policy for the management of their parks and not a regulation or law. When asked about this point the Metropolitan Police were very clear in saying ‘We do not police policy’.

So a bunch of Muslim fella decided to have a pray at Speakers’ Corner and a bunch of far-right islamophoboes kicked off about it and accused the police of not upholding the law (not true). It would be like demanding the police storm in an arrest everyone who has a BBQ in a Royal Park (also against Policy).

The far-right bleat on about freedom of speech, but as soon as some Muslims want to have a pray in an area famous for free speech they lose their rag.

So yeah, that’s the facts.

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Thanks BYG. Excellent summary. I''m sure RTB and all the other RWNJs have never broken a policy if any kind, anywhere though so will still maintain their moral outrage that a group of people had a peaceful prayer.

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[quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]Forgot to add that you can be arrested in a Royal Park for touching a pelican though. So if any far-right people spot a Muslim touching a pelican I suggest they dial 999 straight away.[/quote]
Does that include pressing the button on a Pelican Crossing?

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[quote user="kick it off"]I didn''t watch the video and I don''t profess to be an expert on which parks have royal decrees. It was Birmingham in all the news so it was a pretty logical leap, rather than assuming youd dredged through local news from 3 months ago to find a reason to complain about brown people. The discussion still stands regardless. You have a problem with muslims that even extends to petty crap like public prayers. It''s still pathetic and you''re still a racist.[/quote]
Exactly as I said, you didn''t even watch the video that we were discussing but you still jumped into a debate like a petulant manchild so that you could virtue signal your snowflake credentials despite admitting you knew nothing about the subject.
I won''t stoop down to your level of name-calling other than to say you, Herman and City 1st make perfect bedfellows.

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[quote user="Rock The Boat"]
[quote user="kick it off"]I didn''t watch the video and I don''t profess to be an expert on which parks have royal decrees. It was Birmingham in all the news so it was a pretty logical leap, rather than assuming youd dredged through local news from 3 months ago to find a reason to complain about brown people. The discussion still stands regardless. You have a problem with muslims that even extends to petty crap like public prayers. It''s still pathetic and you''re still a racist.[/quote]
Exactly as I said, you didn''t even watch the video that we were discussing but you still jumped into a debate like a petulant manchild so that you could virtue signal your snowflake credentials despite admitting you knew nothing about the subject.
I won''t stoop down to your level of name-calling other than to say you, Herman and City 1st make perfect bedfellows.
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In what way did the points I made require me to have watched the video? You have an issue with brown people praying peacefully. That was clear from the thread, it doesn''t require me to watch the video to comment on your response to it. Your response to it shows you up for exactly what you are, a bigoted racist. The video is immaterial. The sooner your ilk of dinosaurs die off, the better.

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Rick O''Shea wrote the following post at 20/06/2018 6:36 AM:

We should be asking our own far right expert Winky what is his definition of a racist is

Don’t know much about racists but I do know that a BMI of 45 shows a lack of self control and an unfortunate tendency to overindulge oneself👍

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[quote user="Van wink"]Rick O''Shea wrote the following post at 20/06/2018 6:36 AM:

We should be asking our own far right expert Winky what is his definition of a racist is

Don’t know much about racists but I do know that a BMI of 45 shows a lack of self control and an unfortunate tendency to overindulge oneself👍[/quote]

Says everything you need to know about your vile character and views

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[quote user="FenwayFrank"]When you say “ touching a pelican “ ...[/quote]
does that involve the old ''bill'' ?

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[quote user="Rock The Boat"]
[quote user="kick it off"]I didn''t watch the video and I don''t profess to be an expert on which parks have royal decrees. It was Birmingham in all the news so it was a pretty logical leap, rather than assuming youd dredged through local news from 3 months ago to find a reason to complain about brown people. The discussion still stands regardless. You have a problem with muslims that even extends to petty crap like public prayers. It''s still pathetic and you''re still a racist.[/quote]
Exactly as I said, you didn''t even watch the video that we were discussing but you still jumped into a debate like a petulant manchild so that you could virtue signal your snowflake credentials despite admitting you knew nothing about the subject.
I won''t stoop down to your level of name-calling other than to say you, Herman and City 1st make perfect bedfellows.
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I have been, I accept, polite and, I accept, gave what I believe to be, I accept, factual answers to your statements.Well,I accept, on this thread anyway. I accept.

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[quote user="Rock The Boat"]
Exactly as I said, you didn''t even watch the video that we were discussing but you still jumped into a debate like a petulant manchild so that you could virtue signal your snowflake credentials despite admitting you knew nothing about the subject.
I won''t stoop down to your level of name-calling other than to say you, Herman and City 1st make perfect bedfellows.
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Whereas you contributions have been fair minded and balanced
[quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="KiwiScot"]This might sound a

bit random, but I learned today that saying Chicks with Dicks is

transphobic and you should just say woman or at most trans woman.[/quote]

I would just call
them mentally ill.[/quote]
"If you climbed into a gorilla suit and claimed to be a gorilla and

expected me to accept you as a gorilla, I would say you are mentally

ill. "
And folk on here regard you as an ignorant bigot
I wonder why

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[quote user="Mr Benn"][quote user="Rock The Boat"]
Exactly as I said, you didn''t even watch the video that we were discussing but you still jumped into a debate like a petulant manchild so that you could virtue signal your snowflake credentials despite admitting you knew nothing about the subject.
I won''t stoop down to your level of name-calling other than to say you, Herman and City 1st make perfect bedfellows.
[/quote]
Whereas you contributions have been fair minded and balanced
[quote user="Rock The Boat"][quote user="KiwiScot"]This might sound a

bit random, but I learned today that saying Chicks with Dicks is

transphobic and you should just say woman or at most trans woman.[/quote]

I would just call
them mentally ill.[/quote]
"If you climbed into a gorilla suit and claimed to be a gorilla and

expected me to accept you as a gorilla, I would say you are mentally

ill. "
And folk on here regard you as an ignorant bigot
I wonder why
[/quote]
Whateve you get up to in private, City 1st, you should keep it private.

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Yep, I''m sure that will make folk change their minds that you are a racist bigot.

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[quote user="Mr Benn"]Yep, I''m sure that will make folk change their minds that you are a racist bigot.[/quote]
Funny thing is, he hasn''t once denied being a racist, maybe he''s proud of it.

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Suggest you take a walk past your local war cemetery on the way and check how many on their died fighting against what you stand for
Maybe take your ''nazi'' regalia to the cenotaph in November, I''m sure you will be most welcome !

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Stop reading it then, if pointing out the realities of being part of a far right movement upsets you so much.

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[quote user="Mr Benn"]Stop reading it then, if pointing out the realities of being part of a far right movement upsets you so much.
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I read it because i had an input on the very first page but as usual you have resorted to name calling .

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]Jesus wept this thread has gone past being ridiculous.[/quote]
Just the standard. Lefties calling Righties racist and Righties calling Lefties snowflakes. Not much between any of them to be totally honest.

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="TIL 1010"]Jesus wept this thread has gone past being ridiculous.[/quote]
Just the standard. Lefties calling Righties racist and Righties calling Lefties snowflakes. Not much between any of them to be totally honest.
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That is a mild way of putting it hoggy but is there really any need for posts like this on what is a football forum after all ?
Maybe take your ''nazi'' regalia to the cenotaph in November.

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On the whole this thread has been decent people showing a zero tolerance to racism and the use of misinformation to spread their cause.

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Til is right though. There is no need for asinine remarks just because someone has a different point of view.

I would like to think I am right when I say there is no-one on this forum who is anything like those in the FLA.

There has been some tic remarks just to inflame the topic and some people do support some contreversial views about race (wasn''t Brexit attributed to migration?) and perhaps feel superior to others but that tends to be a British island race, we won the war, haven''t been invaded for 900 years attitude that is clearly evident in some of our newspaper headlines.

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[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="hogesar"][quote user="TIL 1010"]Jesus wept this thread has gone past being ridiculous.[/quote]
Just the standard. Lefties calling Righties racist and Righties calling Lefties snowflakes. Not much between any of them to be totally honest.
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That is a mild way of putting it hoggy but is there really any need for posts like this on what is a football forum after all ?
Maybe take your ''nazi'' regalia to the cenotaph in November.
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There is every need when a bunch of racists uses the clubs badge to associate the club with their views
Odd that you see no problem with that, more so given the club''s anti racist stance, but you seem to be getting rather aerated over others pointing that out.
Just as you seem to dislike the idea that someone who refers to others as mentally ill, on the basis of their sexuality, is referred to as a bigot.
Perhaps you should tell the club that their anti rascist campaign and support for LGBT matters ''has not place in a football'' club.
(always interesting to see when one dog howls what other animals join in)

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So you think that all those involved with the local FLA are a '' bunch of racists '' well knowing a few of them personally i can assure you that they are not.
My view gained from first hand experience whereas yours i have little doubt does not extend to stepping out from behind your computer.

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