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Why do we never sign the players we actually need?

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When we needed a CB it took four windows to sort, even though everyone knew we needed one.

Now we clearly need strikers. In 2014 we had Jerome, Grabban, Vanwolfswinkle, Hooper, Loza and Redmund.

Today we have Olive and Watkins and that is it. yet we are linked with....more midfield loans. And one cheap striker....

dont we need at least 2 of a standard to score goals in this division?

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It is a puzzle. I can only imagine that we have targets at all times, but the feasible ones only become available at certain times. Id imagine we''ve been tracking many strikers for a long time, but at present they are unavailable, cost too much, want too much in wages etc, but some of our targets in other areas are available, so we pursue the ''go-ers''.

Obviously with only one recognised striker its an area we need to strengthen, but if there arent any goers we''ll perhaps plug the gap with a loan.

That said though, we seemed to be able to move for Grant Hanley very quickly on the back of a bad result, so it seems we can move quickly when we feel the need to

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[quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]That said though, we seemed to be able to move for Grant Hanley very quickly on the back of a bad result, so it seems we can move quickly when we feel the need to[/quote]They said that deal had been in the pipeline for months...

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[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]That said though, we seemed to be able to move for Grant Hanley very quickly on the back of a bad result, so it seems we can move quickly when we feel the need to[/quote]They said that deal had been in the pipeline for months...[/quote]Webber........"“Grant was a player we looked at all summer. Our head of recruitment,

Kieran Scott, was speaking to his agent all summer and we were keeping

it spinning, but we wanted to wait for when the price reached a more

sensible level for us"http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city/hanley-canaries-move-no-panic-buy-1-5223171

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Fck me, do you think it''s like buying a Mars Bar or something?

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No I imagine its like buying a football player and therefore would expect a football club to have the competency to navigate the market and purchase what is actually needed. Or should I, as you seem to suggest, expect to forgive the professional club if they do indeed seem to go about it like they can only buy mars bars?

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I have a sneaking suspicion that we might be looking long-term at downsizing the importance of a centre forward in our setup. Sort of like we saw against Chelsea; there has to be a cogent reason that we''re constantly looking at quick-thinking technical players in attacking-ish positions rather than forwards.That isn''t to say I think we won''t have them; I think the way the game is going just now, the traditional ''striker'' will become like a dead-ball specialist in that they will be a deployable asset for certain situations rather than a staple of formations.

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I take your point re: previous transfers, but it''s clear we''ve been absolutely hamstrung by big-money signings in "the right areas" that have crippled us financially, in an attempt to return to the Prem last season. This was what all the ambitious fans cried out for, and now we are seeing the results of failure.

I''m not sure it''s fair to suggest Webber et al don''t even have a basic competency in signing players. We''ve ended up with players like Zimmerman, Hanley, and Trybull - all of whom seemed to come out of left-field and were seemingly signed for absolute peanuts yet ooze quality. Even the much-maligned Vrancic has started to come good.

Facts of the matter are that Webber and Farke are now in only their second window, and are making up for the mess left by previous recruitment policies. IMO they need time and patience to sort the squad out under tight financial circumstances.

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I deny that we were hamstrung by big signings in the right positions. We were done by signing big signings in positions we did not need.

Eg buying Naismith when we clearly needed a decent CB or 2 to stay up.

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I don''t disagree, although I think at the time we were light in terms of quality up-front.

However, surely the club identified this failing by massively changing the structure and bringing Webber in? Not really fair to brand them as "same old" yet is it?

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We have had a recent run of weirdly imbalanced signings, particularly under Neil.

In the space of 6 months we bought 3 different players who all wanted to play ''number 10'' for combined fees around the £16-17m mark and we already had Wes in that position.

We signed a grand total of 2 defenders permanently in Neil''s entire tenure (3 if you count Brady as a defender) but bought in 3 different keepers despite having Rudd, an already capable backup.

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Is it just us?I work in various locations around the country and talking to fans of other clubs this seems to be a common complaint. Only yesterday I was talking to a Cardiff City fan who was moaning that Warnock is still buying strikers (the latest one he''s after is Grabban) when they need cover elsewhere.

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Yes it definitely isn''t just us.

Villa for instance have a stockpile of central midfielders. However due to their owner they can afford to have a bunch of wages spent on players who don''t get into the team- we can''t.

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It''s pretty clear that Alex Neil had a thing about signing attacking midfielders and we didn''t do enough to strengthen the CB position under him when it was our obvious area of weakness.  That''s not really relevant to the current management though.

 

Striker is always the hardest position to fill because they''re most in demand.  Having let Jerome go, it''s pretty crucial for me that they''re able to get at least one striker in before the end of the window, otherwise that''s looking like a bad decision.

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[quote user="Mason 47"]I have a sneaking suspicion that we might be looking long-term at downsizing the importance of a centre forward in our setup. Sort of like we saw against Chelsea; there has to be a cogent reason that we''re constantly looking at quick-thinking technical players in attacking-ish positions rather than forwards.That isn''t to say I think we won''t have them; I think the way the game is going just now, the traditional ''striker'' will become like a dead-ball specialist in that they will be a deployable asset for certain situations rather than a staple of formations.[/quote]

I thought that particular project (downsizing the importance of strikers) had begun here some time ago! After all, who needs them if you''re aiming to keep possession of the ball in your own half for as long as possible?

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[quote user="Dean Coneys boots"]I deny that we were hamstrung by big signings in the right positions. We were done by signing big signings in positions we did not need.

Eg buying Naismith when we clearly needed a decent CB or 2 to stay up.[/quote]We bought Klose - a centre-back - at the same time.

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oh come on- Klose arrived LONG, LONG after the horse had bolted. A last ditch panic having stupidity tried to go back into the prem with Russ Martin even though every fan could see he was no longer up to it.

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No you come on. You said we needed a CB when we bought Naismith, and Purple pointed out that we did exactly that. You now seem to be saying that we should have bought a CB well before then - so not when we bought Naismith.

And after today''s news, are you still saying we haven''t bought a striker? Or is it the cost you''re unhappy about? In which case, are you aware of our current financial situation? Most posters on here seem to be.

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We actually signed Klose for 7m the day before Naismith for 8m. So maybe our priorities were in line with yours Bootsy?

I think that season we had a bigger net spend than Chelsea but even then many posters on here were calling for the shackles to be removed?!?!?!

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