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[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="Jack Flash"]Bet Lincoln woke up this morning and said "Oh, no, the sun is shining and I so wanted it to be a dull, miserable Day!!"[/quote]

Imagine my horror to see the moon shining so bright last night.[/quote]All that barking must''ve hurt your throat.

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@Lincoln

We''ll have to agree to disagree on those two.

I''ve never been impressed by Yanic as he had no actual end product. Incredibly one dimensional and I couldn''t see him as anything more than an impact sub.

Jerome looked shot this season- yes that can partly blamed on the tactics but he also wasn''t performing well.

If Srebny can grab 4 or 5 goals in the second half of the season and Hernandez can add some of the creative spark that we''ve lacked at times then its job well done. The financial situation means we can''t be spending £20k a week on backups.

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What we really really need to do is have a real crack at a top six finish or at least be very close, to encourage players to stay next season and be able to attract players in.

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Satisfied, yes.

I think the Edwards loan isn''t quite as puzzling as many seem to think. He obviously has an attitude problem, but, we don''t seem to be constrained to play him (from Farke''s comments) and Spurs have obviously seen he has an attitude problem having said so themselves so the loan fee will have been small. If we can sort out the attitude we have a really skillful player for half a season and a reputation for being able to sort out straying youths, if we can''t then it doesn''t reflect badly on us as Spurs can''t sort it out themselves and we''ve lost very little financially. It''s not quite win-win but definitely win-not lose.

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Anyone think the Edwards loan is a sweetener for Spurs to have first dibs on Maddison in the summer?

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He''s allegedly one of the hottest properties in English football *IF* his attitude can be sorted out. Maybe a replacement for Maddison on a season-long loan next year?

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"Special relationship" might be overstating it, but we have enjoyed a certain closeness to Spurs over the years, more so than to any other top club.  Maddison moving to Spurs, for example, would be thoroughly in keeping with a history of player movements between the two clubs going back at least to the 1960s. 

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[quote user="king canary"]Fairly shitty sweetner in that case.[/quote]
Surely that''s pretty dependant upon how he plays...

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[quote user="cornish sam"]Satisfied, yes.

I think the Edwards loan isn''t quite as puzzling as many seem to think. He obviously has an attitude problem, but, we don''t seem to be constrained to play him (from Farke''s comments) and Spurs have obviously seen he has an attitude problem having said so themselves so the loan fee will have been small. If we can sort out the attitude we have a really skillful player for half a season and a reputation for being able to sort out straying youths, if we can''t then it doesn''t reflect badly on us as Spurs can''t sort it out themselves and we''ve lost very little financially. It''s not quite win-win but definitely win-not lose.[/quote]That''s pretty much how I see it.Whether it is that we are a fair wau from the bright lights and distractions of London or that Farke et al have a reputation for ''reforming'' wayward players is a moot point. My thoughts this that it is very much the former.However I would not think there is much in the way of cost to us. There would not be much in it if there was and the suggestion here is that he is Spurs problem and one the won''t to see if it can be solved.For us, if the youtube clips are anything to go by, we could see some very exciting play. Something that suggests the way Farke wants the team to play.We have not ''messed up'' we have simply run out of parachute payments. The club has acted whilst there was still the money to take another direction. Who would be complaining if we had spent a fair few million on Zimmerman, Trybull and now Vrancic ? How much did Maddison cost ?Letting Crowe and Middleton go certainly looked odd. Yet this is the club that found both Maddison and Lewis. Perhaps it knows what it is doing. The club that was able to keep both Maddison and Klose despite the many shouts on here about a ''fire sale''.So as far as I am concerned the glass is neither half empty or half full. It''s full, so cheers, and here''s to what the future holds 

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Or in fact, if he plays.

I know I''m being fairly judgemental on the kid but he''s been here longer than any of our January signings yet is apparently less ready to play in the first team than the guy who''s barely kicked a ball in two years.

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I''m not sure how that is being ''fairly judgemental'' - it merely seems to be stating how things are.He''s still a youth player and were he to go straight into the first team it would suggest a lack of ability in that team. Give him time, Im sure Farke will want to see how he fits in with the play.By the brief looks he seem to be an almost identical player to Maddison, so maybe he will begin by being used as a substitute for him.However one thing we should have learned is that Farke doesn''t rush players and they will step up when they are deemed ready rather being thrown into the ray in the hope that they will help fill in a gap.Patience, is the word.

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Of course not.

Nobody made any bids for Delia & Wynnie so we are saddled with directors no one else wants.

Once all the best players are sold and we are saddled with both players and directors no one else wants, how does the self-funding model work??

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[quote user="Big Vince"]Of course not.

Nobody made any bids for Delia & Wynnie so we are saddled with directors no one else wants.

Once all the best players are sold and we are saddled with both players and directors no one else wants, how does the self-funding model work??[/quote]

I don''t know what hymn sheet you''re singing from, Vince, because there seems to be quite a lot of people who are quite excited about the future and what has happened.  Apart from Pritchard (who wanted to leave) all the players that have left are those who won''t fit the project, either financially in expensive wages - or in their playing style.  We will be getting better technical players with less weaknesses in technique and who will also be mostly younger and fitter.  Exciting young prospects to follow on from Maddison, youth players growing into the first team and supplemented by a smattering of top quality loan players full of potential.  Self funding?......the wage bill reduced, the quality improved overall (arguably), with a unified system across the club to bring the whole footballing ethos together across the different squads. What''s not to like?  Oh, yes, I forgot, you have a chip on your shoulder about the board (yawn).......perhaps you should change the record.

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@LDC

I''m not being negative but the claim the ''quality has improved overall'' is much more than arguable, it is completely unprovable either way.

1 of our 4 January signings has kicked a ball for us- for all we know they may all be great but your claim has no more basis that any one of the negative posters claiming we''ve gotten worse.

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The only thing that worries me is our strike force (or lack of it). I don’t like Oliviera, he is not a team player and has absolutely no defensive qualities. Marley Watkins has given us nothing so far so that leaves just one striker!

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Of course the boy Pritchard wanted to leave - because the Board wanted to sell him after receiving the bid they found acceptable. As I have said on here before, there is no player who would stay at a club that has agreed terms with another club for him to be sold.

As far as playing style is concerned, I think you could argue strongly that it is Farke''s style that does not fit with certain players rather than the other way around - especially in the forward positions. No striker will score if there is no delivery into the box and the build-up play is so slow the opposition can easily get into massed defensive positions. When strikers have to go out onto the wing, or deep to find the ball, you know there is a problem with the tactics.

Reducing the wage bill on its own will not make the club self-funding in the Championship. It will rely on player sales too. Once all the best players have been sold you are left with the ones no one else wants and at that point the club cannot make ends meet and will once again build up large debts, thus reversing the achievements of Bowkett/McNasty.

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If we keep it tight at the back then there is not so much onus on us scoring.I agree about Oliveira, but I think we now have someone who can be a ''nuisance'' in the box.We have others who can score, and we will have to wait to see what the new lads can do. I think Watkins may ''come good'' otherwise the club would have shipped him out  .Much will still depend how we approach the game. Goals are scored in their third of the pitch, not by constantly tippy tapping around the middle of the pitch. Break quick and get the ball forward - don''t be afraid to lose the ball eitherWho dares wins ........................ or gets a draw at least

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[quote user="Big Vince"]

Reducing the wage bill on its own will not make the club self-funding in the Championship. It will rely on player sales too. Once all the best players have been sold you are left with the ones no one else wants and at that point the club cannot make ends meet and will once again build up large debts, thus reversing the achievements of Bowkett/McNasty.[/quote]

It was McNasty and his "every spare penny will go towards the team" that has put us in the predicament we are in, so I''m not sure if his contribution was entirely without blemish. As for the selling of players to make ends meet, you are focussing on the negative aspects of selling and failing to mention we will be getting players in to take their place.  Now you might think that means a gradual reduction in quality, but in reality, if done well, the policy has stood us in good stead oer the years - and ALL clubs are selling clubs, whether they have huge amounts of money or not.  

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I should remind you that it was McNasty who took the club from second bottom of League 1 to a high of 11th in the EPL.

The Suffolk Socialists were leading the club to extinction on the field and off it with a debt of £22 million.

I would like to ask what more could he have done without significant new money whilst we were in the EPL?

The "predicament we are now in" is entirely due to the Suffolk Socialists failure to find new money to go into the club whilst it was in the EPL. The likes of Bournemouth kept the tide rising by attracting new money whilst they were on the up.

And that is the way to do it.

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Would that be the same Suffolk socialists that employed deloitte to actively go out and try and find someone to buy into the club? If one of the premier global accohntacy firms couldn''t find anyone then why would Delia and Wynnie?

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[quote user="Big Vince"]The "predicament we are now in" is entirely due to the Suffolk Socialists failure to find new money to go into the club whilst it was in the EPL. The likes of Bournemouth kept the tide rising by attracting new money whilst they were on the up.

And that is the way to do it.[/quote]You make it sound so simple Vinnie...I wish the Suffolk Socialists were as simple as you.

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Big Vince"]

Reducing the wage bill on its own will not make the club self-funding in the Championship. It will rely on player sales too. Once all the best players have been sold you are left with the ones no one else wants and at that point the club cannot make ends meet and will once again build up large debts, thus reversing the achievements of Bowkett/McNasty.[/quote]

It was McNasty and his "every spare penny will go towards the team" that has put us in the predicament we are in, so I''m not sure if his contribution was entirely without blemish. As for the selling of players to make ends meet, you are focussing on the negative aspects of selling and failing to mention we will be getting players in to take their place.  Now you might think that means a gradual reduction in quality, but in reality, if done well, the policy has stood us in good stead oer the years - and ALL clubs are selling clubs, whether they have huge amounts of money or not.   [/quote]Agree Lakey. Vince, City have for many seasons had player sales as part of the overall self funding style, just think Redmond, Brady, Howson, Johnson, Olssen, Jacob Murphy etc in past couple of years and it continues with Pritchard and likely Maddison in the summer. I see no actual end in sight for this kind of set up, in fact i think we now have a management set up even more in tune than ever before to keep this going season after season. But you seem to see a point in time when we have no players of any real value to sell on, care to say when that time will be?Cannot be under estimated how much hassle it is for a board to plan the finances each season when a club like ours have done a yo yo for a fair number of seasons, with such a massive revenue difference between the two top divisions. We are where we are, in the Champs, with parachute payments ending. I applaud the way Delia and the board  took action, before it was to late, the two windows Webber has had  has shown he has what it takes to  hugely overhaul an entire team, also within a pretty strict financial structure, and for me personally,  also to have a quiet positiveness for the future despite all the changes a happening, is a big bonus.Good window for City, stabilised in the Champs, no pressure on DF to go up or down right now, he can work on more success at offense  now that hes found us a defence that does not leak goals for fun. I enjoy the Champs tbh, but of course dont pretend to want 16 seasons here. But right now, looking at the Prem....12 clubs with 8 points seperating them all..the immense pressure that brings on clubs and their fans is more crazy than ever. Right now im content to see this club evolve at City carry thru the way its going, the time to whinge or be elated is a season or two down the road.

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"he can work on more success at offense "I hope that doesn''t mean being sweary and foul mouthedOr getting charge with offencesMaybe it would be better he he just stayed as he is a concentrated on the coaching stuffGetting us scoring more, being a bit more ruthless in attacktat sort of thing

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Satisfied? Well I don''t know really. These are just new names. Familiarity breeds contempt, as the saying goes, so we know the weaknesses of those who have gone. These new signings are just die rolls, unproven in the EFL but "exciting" because they sound exotic and new. We''ve been here before, new doesn''t guarantee better. I don''t know enough about the new signings to be excited or underwhelmed, it just is what it is to me. Sounds dull but we''ll just have to see what happens when they get get into the team.

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