PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted February 1, 2018 The club have signed a memorandum of understanding (I think that is a posh way of describing an agreement) with the Canaries Trust, promising consultation on decisions affecting the identity of the club:http://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-canaries-trust-unveil-new-agreement-1-5378184A real feather in the cap of the Trust and excellent news which I know will be welcomed by all posters here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rivvo 257 Posted February 1, 2018 Yes, welcomed by all posters............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted February 1, 2018 So basically the trust get to hear about stuff first, you really think the board would give two hoots about the opinion of the trust? The board will do whatever they want its simple as that. The reason they''ve come up with this is to keep them happy and firmly by the side of any decisions they want to make, most clubs supporter trust groups go against bad decisions the board make to grow their share numbers, not ours they live in the dream one day one of them will get a seat among Delias little chums Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy 107 Posted February 1, 2018 What is the Canary Trust and who is on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Leathermans Stag 0 Posted February 1, 2018 Toothless bunch of windbags lead by an arrogant @@@@@@@@Complete and utter waste of time and effort More evidence if it were needed that Delia has lost the plot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFruit 25 Posted February 1, 2018 [quote user="PurpleCanary"]The club have signed a memorandum of understanding (I think that is a posh way of describing an agreement) with the Canaries Trust, promising consultation on decisions affecting the identity of the club:http://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-canaries-trust-unveil-new-agreement-1-5378184A real feather in the cap of the Trust and excellent news which I know will be welcomed by all posters here.[/quote]Nothing new hear we had the Supporters Consultative Group from mid 90''s onwards. No formal agreement was in place with club or needed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted February 1, 2018 [quote user="Grumpy"]What is the Canary Trust and who is on it[/quote]http://www.canariestrust.org/AboutDoes the chairman (Robin Sainty) post on here?The other organisation mentioned was https://supporters-direct.org/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,290 Posted February 1, 2018 Robin used to be a regular poster. Unless he is here under a new identity I don''t think he does any more. I found him to be a nice guy and writes a good column for the Pinkun. This can only be a good thing. I''d like to see Duncan E on the Trust, always writes good posts about the club''s activities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy 107 Posted February 1, 2018 That sounds a bit harsh LeathermanI believe there is another ''group'' of businessmen who have a non executive role within NCFC. I am led to believe they were instrumental in bringing a player into the club a few years back by donating a hefty some of money when the club was struggling. They have had meetings with the previous CEO so I assume they still have those meetings with the present board. I don''t think the board takes much notice of them either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend Iwan 30 Posted February 1, 2018 Further to PC''s opening post, it''s worth noting the consultation agreement concerning ''major decisions'' extends to ''other supporter groups'' and not solely the Canaries Trust. All in all, it appears to be a good move for everyone involved. Fans want better links to the club''s decision-makers so that they can raise and debate topics that matter - surely this is a decent step towards achieving that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duncan Edwards 2,189 Posted February 1, 2018 [quote user="Rock The Boat"]Robin used to be a regular poster. Unless he is here under a new identity I don''t think he does any more. I found him to be a nice guy and writes a good column for the Pinkun. This can only be a good thing. I''d like to see Duncan E on the Trust, always writes good posts about the club''s activities.[/quote]Very kind of you to say so RTB but I’m really not qualified for such a position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 1, 2018 Robin is a nice guy but the recent "Trust statement" debacle did nothing for their credibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted February 1, 2018 More fan involvement is always a good thing in my opinion. You''ll never find a group to represent the views of all and I don''t envy the trust in doing that.However, if you are leading a group that purports to represent fans then it is probably wise not to call them ''retarded'' for disagreeing with you, nor is it wise to be slagging off the main message board fans discuss Norwich on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted February 1, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]However, if you are leading a group that purports to represent fans then it is probably wise not to call them ''retarded'' for disagreeing with you, nor is it wise to be slagging off the main message board fans discuss Norwich on.[/quote]Like this from yesterday you mean?........... Robin Sainty @RobinNCST Jan 31 Jesus wept, just read the pink''un thread on the Glenn Middleton move. Any stick will do!If Robin felt that strongly there was nothing stopping him from logging on and putting his point of view forward, rather than sniping from afar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iron_stan 0 Posted February 2, 2018 Placate the noisy but actually polite nieghbour with a glass of red, feed them what you like and be sweet about it to keep them onsideits all garbagePR trash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted February 2, 2018 Sainty’s a hypocritical egotist. Went on the warpath reporting all and sundry for abuse but in recent weeks I’ve seen him label others as “retarded”, “idiot”, and made fun of mental health issues. Very patronising to those who disagree with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 2, 2018 @Hoola, have to agree. If you agree with him its all very nice, but as soon as you say anything anti-club or anti-board its like the walls go up.I''m not really sure the trust represents the fans, and I''m not sure what they have actually achieved - maybe somebody can enlighten us?Is it any coincidence that the Trust appears to be very pro-board? If Sainty was critical of the board would this agreement have happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Hockey's Beard 521 Posted February 2, 2018 I am on a consultative committee for a company connected with one of the Directors, and I do believe that having such means of communication in place can make a difference.The officials/Directors at NCFC would have to be inhuman to ignore all the comments and opinions from the fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted February 2, 2018 [quote user="PurpleCanary"]The club have signed a memorandum of understanding (I think that is a posh way of describing an agreement) with the Canaries Trust, promising consultation on decisions affecting the identity of the club:http://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/norwich-city-canaries-trust-unveil-new-agreement-1-5378184A real feather in the cap of the Trust and excellent news which I know will be welcomed by all posters here.[/quote]Declaring an interest as an inactive member of the Trust...As outlined by the memorandum there will be scheduled meetings (probably no more than four a year), with the Trust particularly having a say on what might call heritage questions, including changes in ownership or any move from Carrow Road, plus more day to day issues affecting fans. There is also an indication that the club will share financial information to explain its views and decisions, with that level of information perhaps going beyond what will be made public.Now I was not a member (I think Felixfan was?) but what this sounds like is a move back towards the Supporters'' Consultative Group that was - predictably - axed by Bowkett and McNally soon after they arrived, even though it seemed like a good idea and one that worked reasonably well.As I understand it, though, the SCG had an obvious design flaw, in that the members were invited to join by the club, so there was a perception, rightly or wrongly, that it was the club only talking to favourite people it approved of. A problem avoided now, since I assume the club cannot choose which members of the Trust attend these meetings.Of course this having a say is only consultation and not true democracy. There is no suggestion the club will be bound by the views of the Trust. We are not yet at the stage where Carrow Road becomes the kind of Venezuelan- or Cuban-style Marxist workers'' co-operative for which I know most posters here yearn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woodman 92 Posted February 2, 2018 ''since I assume the club cannot choose which members of the Trust attend these meetings.''One assumes though, that the Trust will chose/select who attends, and is unlikely to bring along anyone with a more controversial or argumentative nature - or will avoid raising the views of those who radically disagree with them.I''d expect topics of discussion to include views on safe standing, ticket pricing, matchday experience etc., and less about the quality of signings, team performance or leadership/ownership of the club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy 107 Posted February 2, 2018 [quote user="Woodman"]''., and less about the quality of signings, team performance or leadership/ownership of the club.[/quote]I should think so too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,657 Posted February 2, 2018 [quote user="PurpleCanary"]As I understand it, though, the SCG had an obvious design flaw, in that the members were invited to join by the club, so there was a perception, rightly or wrongly, that it was the club only talking to favourite people it approved of. [/quote]The SCG was indeed by invite only but it embraced representation from the local branch of the FSA,NCISA,Northern Canaries,Capital Canaries, FONCY,The Ambassadors Club,Club Canary and The Historical Trust.The Norwich City Trust ( now Canaries Trust ) were invited but never attended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duncan Edwards 2,189 Posted February 2, 2018 That list proves that the perception Purple talked of was misguided at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted February 2, 2018 [quote user="Woodman"]''since I assume the club cannot choose which members of the Trust attend these meetings.''One assumes though, that the Trust will chose/select who attends, and is unlikely to bring along anyone with a more controversial or argumentative nature - or will avoid raising the views of those who radically disagree with them.I''d expect topics of discussion to include views on safe standing, ticket pricing, matchday experience etc., and less about the quality of signings, team performance or leadership/ownership of the club.[/quote]I don''t assume that at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFruit 25 Posted February 3, 2018 [quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]As I understand it, though, the SCG had an obvious design flaw, in that the members were invited to join by the club, so there was a perception, rightly or wrongly, that it was the club only talking to favourite people it approved of. [/quote]The SCG was indeed by invite only but it embraced representation from the local branch of the FSA,NCISA,Northern Canaries,Capital Canaries, FONCY,The Ambassadors Club,Club Canary and The Historical Trust.The Norwich City Trust ( now Canaries Trust ) were invited but never attended.[/quote]And it worked very well for a time but got a bit stale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,657 Posted February 3, 2018 I quite agree Mr Fruit but i was making the point to Purple that there was indeed a very good cross representation from the supporter base on the SCG even if it was by invite only who probably if you totalled their numbers up were there on behalf of a few thousand fans.Diverse views were a common theme as you know running throughout which was good but will that now happen moving forward ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 3, 2018 Surely diverse views are needed for this to work, but I don’t see the Canaries Trust/Robin Sainty doing that. It seems if you dare say anything anti-club/Board you are seen as the enemyIt already seems he is trying to report somebody that said something to him on Twitter to the club in order to get that person banned? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,585 Posted February 3, 2018 Have you seen the tweet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 3, 2018 Yeah I have, but don’t see how that correlates to a ban from the football club.From Twitter yes, maybe report it to the police if you are that offended, but a ban from the club? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted February 3, 2018 [quote user="TIL 1010"]I quite agree Mr Fruit but i was making the point to Purple that there was indeed a very good cross representation from the supporter base on the SCG even if it was by invite only who probably if you totalled their numbers up were there on behalf of a few thousand fans.Diverse views were a common theme as you know running throughout which was good but will that now happen moving forward ?[/quote]From all I read about the SCG it was a diverse group of fans. I said at the time the club had made a mistake closing it down. My only point was that because it was by invitation it was seen by some posters as being a clique of club favourites. And because of that its demise was gleefully - and short-sightedly - welcomed by quite a few.Whether the Trust will be in effect as diverse is a fair question. It has links with other supporter groups so if it is sensible it will use this special relationship with the club to speak on their behalf.At a tangent, I am slightly surprised no-one has referred to the point that the club seems to be saying it may divulge explantory information to the Trust that will not be made public. I suppose that is a tribute to the Trust that the club feels it can rely on it not to break that confidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites