Oh woe is me...

[nutty nigel 7,506]

[quote user="HertsCanary93"]Why is disagreeing with Webber ''whinging''?

I disagree with his comments, and don''t think telling supporters to ''support another team'' is a particularly endearing comment to suggestions we play boring football. We don''t score many goals, and we don''t look like scoring many goals. Are Norwich fans against possession football? I know I''m not, but what we currently play is pretty poor by anyone''s accounts. Where would we be if Maddison didn''t thump in a 30 yarder every other game?

I don''t think he has conducted himself particularly well in the transfer market - leaving us short of strikers and wasting money on as many poor players as good players. This makes his arrogance seem somewhat unjustified.

It is interesting to hear that we are apparently moving in a positive direction? It is looking like we will finish in the bottom half of the table and the chances are we will have a weaker squad next year.

I''d love us to turn it around and push on next year. I just don''t think we will, what is the point of a football message board if every comment someone disagrees with is dubbed a moan or whinge.

I feel like I''m ironically seeing more whinging comments about whinging, than actual whinging.[/quote]

Has anyone else mentioned whinging? 

There I did it.

Are we the only two?

[Guest]

I agree with the sentiments of the op. Evolving from a weak PL mentality to a strong championship squad was never going to be easy. Nutty mentions how much he enjoyed last season, but that was largely due to the players being a little gung ho imo - plenty of attacking intent, but a complete lacking of knowing how to defend. But lots of goals equalled failure to get promoted - with a supposedly PL standard squad.

So we are in a new world. Welcome to the new world! It calls for a bit of faith, a bit of patience and some enthusiasm for the challenge.

I don''t think we can compare last season''s football tactics. They are poles apart from this years. And it would just as easy to say if we were even more gung ho then we would have walked it. Especially if Maddison had been available.

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

[quote user="FenwayFrank"]I think there are lots of reasons why people are losing interest in the game as a whole. If games are on the telly I watch the first ten minutes and tend to turn over and watch something else, it’s only NCFC that I’m really interested in now, and don’t even get me started on England.[/quote]I''m sure there a number of reasons but money is definitely one of the major reasons that interest in the game is waning - I''m just the same in that I used to be happy to watch football pretty much whenever it was available but nowadays I really don''t watch football at all, even on TV (and expecially the Premiership), unless we are playing.

[ron obvious 1,495]

Reflecting on yesterday''s performance, I wonder if the influx of players new to this league was part of the problem.

Vrancic would be a typical example. Initially bewildered by the pace & physicality, he''s just started to get to grips with it & find a way of coping. However, when little is (apparently) at stake he may well find it difficult to find the motivation to get stuck in.

In that respect I suspect Tettey''s inclusion would have helped a lot yesterday

It was a bad performance all round; passes misplaced, no understanding between players & back to an all too familiar slow-slow slow-slow-slow tempo.

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

Stop being fooled by the ‘transition season’ statement.

This season has been a failure. It’s the worst Norwich city for 10 years. Webber has done a rubbish job on the player front, and Farkes tactics at times have been no better than a PE teacher.

Clearly we needed to reduce the wage bill, but That shouldn’t of meant we had to accept an average to poor championship squad. Webber has made a pigs ear of it, and I honestly don’t think he could have done much worse.

If we’d gone down a more traditional route last summer we’d have more likely plucked the best talent from league one, and used the competitive edge we did have to sign one or two quality championship players. Instead Webber took a scatter gun approach to transfers, with no clear strategy. Which is reflected by the unbalanced squad we currently have.

Why do some people think he’ll suddenly get it right in the next window? Reasoned judgment suggests he won’t.

[FenwayFrank 2,450]

If we’d have bought the best talent from league one we’d have a very good league one team, try again or tell us all about where Reading went wrong.

[HertsCanary93 222]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Has anyone else mentioned whinging? 

There I did it.

Are we the only two?

[/quote]

Nothing like a good whinge about whinging about whinging!

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="FenwayFrank"]If we’d have bought the best talent from league one we’d have a very good league one team, try again or tell us all about where Reading went wrong.[/quote]

Lambert didn’t fair too bad doing it, did he.

Simpleton.

[FenwayFrank 2,450]

Nice to know I touched a nerve, kn0bhead

[hogesar 9,611]

Lincoln the best troll on this forum.

[king canary 7,562]

Lincoln can be a tool but that post from Fenway was high level idiocy.

[River End Canary 18]

Some of the extreme happy clapping on this thread is ridiculous

In the many years of stowmarket ownership how many major trophies have they delivered for the club? Nil

At best and if you want to be generous to the stowmarket socialist their ownership has been mediocre

Only a stinking rich Chinese owner can get us out of this malaise

[River End Canary 18]

[quote user="hogesar"]Lincoln the best troll on this forum.[/quote]

Disappointed in this hoggy

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="FenwayFrank"]Nice to know I touched a nerve, kn0bhead[/quote]

You haven’t sweetheart, don’t worry.

[FenwayFrank 2,450]

“Lincoln can be a tool but that post from Fenway was high level idiocy. “

So if we sell all the Maddison money on a bunch of league one players you’d be happy then, we’ll done

This place is like One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest at the moment

[Jim Smith 2,314]

What I am struggling with a bit is the notion that we all have to be patient because Webber has decreed that it will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort things out (i.e. effectively bought himself 2 years before he comes under pressure) when the fact is that we still have a very good (if a little unbalanced) squad of players at our disposal who should (in results terms) be performing a lot better than they have this season, particularly at home where we have gone from a free scoring team that regularly dished out thumpings to a team on the verge of having its lowest ever goal tally for a home season of 23 matches.

I can buy into the "project" to a degree (although i still think we will get weaker again this summer when we lose Tettey, Wes, Maddison, Oliveira, Gunn, Reed and probably Klose and because that''s what happens when you cost cut) but that does not mean i think we have to set aside all doubts or criticism of how the team is playing in the meantime.

[king canary 7,562]

"If we’d have bought the best talent from league one we’d have a very good league one team"

Here is a few players who were at one point the ''best talent in League One'' (or even a level below)

Dele Alli

Morgan Schniderlin

Adam Lallana

Wes Hoolahan

James Maddison

Ryan Woods

Ollie Watkins

John Lundstram

By your logic if we''d have signed all of these players when they were in League One we''d have ''a good league one team.''

See where you went wrong?

[hogesar 9,611]

Sorry Waveney, youve been lacking lately. The key is to focus all your posting times to when we concede, or immediately after we lose

[FenwayFrank 2,450]

Sorry King I didn’t realise all of those players were available at the same time

See where you went wrong there ?

[king canary 7,562]

Urgh, you''re just being deliberately stupid now.

Signing ''the best players from league one'' does not give you e league one team if they have the ability to step up. Just as signing a bunch of players from the Premier League wouldn''t give you a Premier League team.

So if we sold Maddison and invested the money in some of the best players coming through at that level it would be a pretty sensible transfer strategy.

[ROBFLECK 132]

Well, I think we all agree that watching ncfc is not a pleasure atm. I don''t think "raising league one" would''ve been the answer, as these players would''ve had to adapt too

I just don''t think the manager has adapted his tactics to championship football! Neither have a few of his signings... Personally I hope a few of the loanees get their chance next season (Matthews if Gunn goes, Godfrey , even Morris...)

Investing the money we get from selling Maddison in a few good players from league one level is a sensible suggestion. But I don''t think it will lead us to challenging for promotion next season.

[ROBFLECK 132]

Euhhmm...that should''ve been "raiding league one"

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="FenwayFrank"]“Lincoln can be a tool but that post from Fenway was high level idiocy. “

So if we sell all the Maddison money on a bunch of league one players you’d be happy then, we’ll done

This place is like One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest at the moment[/quote]

What a ridiculous statement.

Theres plenty of talent in league one capable of making a very efficient, effective, step up. Far more so then the likes of Vrancic, Steipermann and Srbrenny.

Are you being deliberately solid today?

[Len 74]

So Webber is blunt and is effectively telling fans to be patient because we are changing from the old inconsistent model which never really worked, to a new one of consistency which effectively emulates our successful era of the 80s/early 90s.The response to this and (understandably) bad results from some fans is to call for Webber and Farke to leave, hire Warnock or some other old has-been to play a turgid direct game, and presumably repeat the last 20+ years of underperformance.I can understand frustration with Farke''s style, and skepticism with his level of qualification and experience to do the job. But to advocate repeating the same mistakes of the past makes me wonder if some fans actually understand where we''ve frequently gone wrong under Delia and Wynn-Jones.The ultimate level of stupidity is seen in those who try and tell us that everything went wrong after Bowkett and McNally left, seemingly oblivious to the notion that it was them that left behind a disaster zone for Webber to navigate through!

[king canary 7,562]

@Len

You''re partly right- it would be stupid to abandon the new set up and burn everything down less than a year in.

However as I''ve said quite a few times the project is Webber. He has been tasked with overhauling the culture top to bottom, changing the academy, scouting, transfer strategy etc etc. Farke is simply a cog in that project and if he isn''t doing his job he''s eminently replaceable.

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="Len"]So Webber is blunt and is effectively telling fans to be patient because we are changing from the old inconsistent model which never really worked, to a new one of consistency which effectively emulates our successful era of the 80s/early 90s.The response to this and (understandably) bad results from some fans is to call for Webber and Farke to leave, hire Warnock or some other old has-been to play a turgid direct game, and presumably repeat the last 20+ years of underperformance.I can understand frustration with Farke''s style, and skepticism with his level of qualification and experience to do the job. But to advocate repeating the same mistakes of the past makes me wonder if some fans actually understand where we''ve frequently gone wrong under Delia and Wynn-Jones.The ultimate level of stupidity is seen in those who try and tell us that everything went wrong after Bowkett and McNally left, seemingly oblivious to the notion that it was them that left behind a disaster zone for Webber to navigate through![/quote]

Sorry Len, but I disagree with this. Yes Webber had constraints to work within, but a disaster zone? Come on.

Too many people believe the nonsense Webber hypes up, which then becomes his protection.

Regardless of circumstance Webber should not be immune from judgement. I cannot believe he’s managed to construct himself a buffer of four transfer windows, how many people get that luxury!?

Our squad is weak and unbalanced. In terms of asset value, near enough all the players signed by Webber have decreased in value. Existing players such as Oliveria, Pinto and Klose have all decreased in value too. Our only sellable asset is Maddison, and Webber would be clutching at straws if he takes the credit for his increase in value.

Credit him with Trybull and Zimmerman, sure, but In general the football side of our club is a pretty poor state of affairs right now. And he’s got to take the can for that.

And a last point, this new philoshy and structure doesn’t have to abandoned by removing Webber and/or Farke. Why is there a common misconception it does? Plenty of capable football people out there. Let’s not let Webber manoeuvre himself into a position of unquestionable power.

[hogesar 9,611]

[quote user="ComeOnYouRoyals"][quote user="FenwayFrank"]“Lincoln can be a tool but that post from Fenway was high level idiocy. “

So if we sell all the Maddison money on a bunch of league one players you’d be happy then, we’ll done

This place is like One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest at the moment[/quote]

What a ridiculous statement.

Theres plenty of talent in league one capable of making a very efficient, effective, step up. Far more so then the likes of Vrancic, Steipermann and Srbrenny.

Are you being deliberately solid today?[/quote]

Yeah, definitely plenty of better players than Vrancic walking around League One that we could sign.

[lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0]

[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="ComeOnYouRoyals"][quote user="FenwayFrank"]“Lincoln can be a tool but that post from Fenway was high level idiocy. “

So if we sell all the Maddison money on a bunch of league one players you’d be happy then, we’ll done

This place is like One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest at the moment[/quote]

What a ridiculous statement.

Theres plenty of talent in league one capable of making a very efficient, effective, step up. Far more so then the likes of Vrancic, Steipermann and Srbrenny.

Are you being deliberately solid today?[/quote]

Yeah, definitely plenty of better players than Vrancic walking around League One that we could sign.

[/quote]

Definitely. Well done for finally agreeing with me.

[Guest]

hire Warnock or some other old has-been to play a turgid direct game

What do you know about Warnock? Do you watch Cardiff?

Did you miss the Lambert years when we got the ball forward as quickly as possible to Holt?

You are just regurgitating the same old rubbish that is always fashionably attributed to a manager/coach who has gained nine promotions in his time.

[Capt. Pants 4,194]

[quote user="king canary"]@Len

You''re partly right- it would be stupid to abandon the new set up and burn everything down less than a year in.

However as I''ve said quite a few times the project is Webber. He has been tasked with overhauling the culture top to bottom, changing the academy, scouting, transfer strategy etc etc. Farke is simply a cog in that project and if he isn''t doing his job he''s eminently replaceable.[/quote]Indeed he is a cog, and Webber being the straight talking no nonsense guy he is must be a bit concerned if not disappointed with what he has seen this season? I''m not against the new operating model per se but it doesn''t have to mean the Webber/Farke combination is inseparable. At this point in time I truly do not believe Farke has what it takes to get a team promoted from the Championship. I could live with the dour style IF we were scoring goals and winning football matches, but we aren''t, and I''ve seen nothing that makes me believe anything will be better next season.Farke may have overseen the first part of the transition but in my opinion is not the coach to take this project forward. Two big games for Farke coming up and somehow he needs to get the players to kick off their flip-flops and get off the beach.