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The pathetic bunch that decided to boo in the first half...

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Booing always used to be a last resort kind of response, nowadays people treat it more as an everday kind of expression of dis-satisfaction. Shame really.  A bit like the f word, used too frequently it ceases to have the same effect and just becomes an irritation.  Saving the boos to an occasion when it really means something would be a lot better.  However, I don''t suppose you could get through to most of the serial boo-ers, who boo out of a reflection of their own sense of self-entitlement rather than anything to do with football supporting.

 

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I’m not going to get into the whole booing debate, it has been done so many times. It’s not my thing. Sometimes I agree with the sentiment even if I wouldn’t boo and sometimes I disagree with the sentiment.

One thing i am quite certain about though is the reaction from the fans yesterday was totally understandable. Whether people agree with it or not is one thing but if someone cannot understand why it happened, when it did and cannot realise that it was not just down to that moment in isolation but an accumulation of frustration over the whole season then you have to question whether that person has any idea of what they are watching and involved in.

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It needed fans to boo so the club and players knew the fans were not happy ?Dear meI doubt anyone has not been frustrated with how things have gone this season, but what next... stand in the hospital ward and boo the medical staff.The club is in a position that it has NOT faced before ie losing an enormous amount of income (parachute payments) whilst still having an enormous amount of outgoings (PL wages).Do the numpties boo-ing imagine that somehow their stupidity will alter that position in anyway ? Or encourage younger players to ''do better'' ? just because others don''t boo their own players does not make them lesser supporters. In fact it is often the measure of judging the difference between a fan and a supporter.

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[quote user="The gut"]I’m not going to get into the whole booing debate, it has been done so many times. It’s not my thing. Sometimes I agree with the sentiment even if I wouldn’t boo and sometimes I disagree with the sentiment.

One thing i am quite certain about though is the reaction from the fans yesterday was totally understandable. Whether people agree with it or not is one thing but if someone cannot understand why it happened, when it did and cannot realise that it was not just down to that moment in isolation but an accumulation of frustration over the whole season then you have to question whether that person has any idea of what they are watching and involved in.[/quote]
Yes Gutty, as someone who really enjoyed last season (where there was incredibly more boos) I do understand the frustrations. But there''s nothing you can say to me that will make me understand the booing of Tetey. He''s done nothing during his whole time here to warrant that. And our record this season in the games he''s started is pretty much promotion form.

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If it was all down to a culmination of events this season rather than that moment you''d think they''d at least have the self respect to not stop just because a Murphy pot shot went in. Fickle doesn''t do it justice..

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I guess it’s down to what we think we saw and heard Nutty. At no time did I have the feeling it was Tettey being booed. My feeling (and I could be wrong, unlikely, but possible) is that it was not a player per se. It did not matter who passed the ball back. It was the action of going backwards that fans showed their displeasure. I took it as a clear sign to the manager and club that they had enough of that. If I am honest I can’t believe it hasn’t happened before now.

One thing is for sure it cannot be proved either way if it had an impact but after that there is no doubt the attacking performance improved.

Also, had it not been for that moment of genius from Murphy though, I’m pretty sure there would have been a chorus of boos at half time.

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But how is the player supposed to know. He kicks the ball and gets booed. He''s not going to know that it''s actually the ball being booed rather than the guy who kicked it. And what''s the point of booing the ball. Will it suddenly buck it''s ideas up and bounce higher or something? I don''t think you''ve thought this excuse through gutty.

Anyway, I''m gonna leave it here cause I can''t think of a'' different ways to spell Tettie.

FFS.

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[quote user="The gut"]I guess it’s down to what we think we saw and heard Nutty. At no time did I have the feeling it was Tettey being booed. My feeling (and I could be wrong, unlikely, but possible) is that it was not a player per se. It did not matter who passed the ball back. It was the action of going backwards that fans showed their displeasure. I took it as a clear sign to the manager and club that they had enough of that. If I am honest I can’t believe it hasn’t happened before now.

One thing is for sure it cannot be proved either way if it had an impact but after that there is no doubt the attacking performance improved.

Also, had it not been for that moment of genius from Murphy though, I’m pretty sure there would have been a chorus of boos at half time.[/quote]Why on earth? By all accounts we had played better than a team going for an automatic promotion place. If the first half had finished 0-0 what possible justification could there have been for boos?

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]But how is the player supposed to know. He kicks the ball and gets booed. He''s not going to know that it''s actually the ball being booed rather than the guy who kicked it. And what''s the point of booing the ball. Will it suddenly buck it''s ideas up and bounce higher or something? I don''t think you''ve thought this excuse through gutty.

Anyway, I''m gonna leave it here cause I can''t think of a'' different ways to spell Tettie.

FFS.

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FFS indeed - I don’t need an excuse nutty. I didn’t boo. I said it’s not my thing, I also said I wasn’t getting into the boo or not to boo debate. So what’s your beef with me?

I also don’t really give too much of a flying eff you see kay how Titty must have felt at the time. I’m sure he could live with that, I doubt it would have had a lasting effect.

What I could do though is certainly feel or sense the mood around the ground just prior to that moment then when it happened. If someone can’t, I do question if they were aware of how the game was being played, what the flow of the game was and what opportunity was being wasted.

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We’re you there Purple? If you were I think your question is particularly odd. If you were not I will try to offer an explanation of what I think it was.

I must admit I’m a little confused by some of the comments on this daft thread. I would suggest that the majority of any fan reaction during a game is not a pre planned thought process that has to be justified. It is more of a spontaneous reaction to what someone thinks they are seeing, sometimes in a split second.

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The Gut: "Also, had it not been for that moment of genius from Murphy though, I’m

pretty sure there would have been a chorus of boos at half time.

"Just about sums it up really. You may feel that this is a justified reaction to the team having the effrontery not to be leading against a team well above us in the league and current form, but others don''t. You may feel that this shows a desired level of support for a team in transition but many others feel it demonstrates a degree of petulance that is in nobody''s best interest.It has been acknowledged that it was one of our best performances of the season but still you seem to feel that booing is a justified reaction...

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[quote user="The gut"] ....... What I could do though is certainly feel or sense the mood around the ground just prior to that moment then when it happened. If someone can’t, I do question if they were aware of how the game was being played, what the flow of the game was and what opportunity was being wasted.[/quote]

What I''d question is whether those who booed -- and those who defend them -- have any understanding at all of "how the game was being played, what the flow of the game was," and, far from being wasted, what opportunity was actually being created.

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[quote user="king canary"]Oh good we''re approaching full house on ''people who don''t actually go to games criticizing those who do'' now.[/quote]Ad hominem argument is a poor substitute for addressing the point made kc. You can do better than that. 

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[quote user="westcoastcanary"][quote user="king canary"]Oh good we''re approaching full house on ''people who don''t actually go to games criticizing those who do'' now.[/quote]Ad hominem argument is a poor substitute for addressing the point made kc. You can do better than that. [/quote]And inaccurate, WCC. Certainly, speaking as a long-term s/t holder it is certainly no "full house" + there is no attack on "those that go." As has been consistently pointed out, it is only a very small minority of the most brainless "fan" who criticise everything done by NCFC board, players and staff who are being criticised, not the vast majority of fans. As repeated several times, all fans moan and groan at times, it is part of football - what we are talking about here is a sustained and persistent booing and criticism by a small minority who only seem to take pleasure at Norwich performing badly.It is a very tiny minority but one which has quite a bit of support from some posters on here because of their own agenda. And for the record, some of those posters have quite openly stated in the past that they do not go to games because they do not want to "line Delia''s pockets" or "support the Suffolk socialists" etc

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Meh, not really.

I get the frustration. We''re in the middle of our third poor season in a row, we''re less than a week out from a complete no show of a performance away to QPR and we''d won 1 in our last 10 games going into Saturday. We''ve struggled to score goals all season at the football on display has been dull as anything. All a perfect combination for a bit of an outpouring of frustration- in a lot of ways the crowd reaction has been pretty light considering the context.

I just wish some of those who were so deeply offended by the booing admitted what it actually is- people haven''t supported in what they view as ''the correct way'' so have offended their delicate sensibilities. They are the better fans and people who don''t do what they think they should are inferior.

You can try and dress it up behind how it might negatively affect the team but that is clearly bollocks- players aren''t sensitive souls who break down at the first sound of criticism and it clearly didn''t have much of a negative impact as we won the game and played very well. Last time we had a ''the nasty men did a boo'' breakdown on here was Millwall and it clearly didn''t destroy the players then either.

I''ve got very little time for the self appointed fan police who want to decide who does and doesn''t get a ticket based on whether they think they support correctly. I''ve got even less time for it when it comes from those who don''t go to games themselves.

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[quote user="king canary"] You can try and dress it up behind how it might negatively affect the team but that is clearly bollocks- players aren''t sensitive souls who break down at the first sound of criticism [/quote]
Oh, it didn''t seem like McVeigh was lying to me when he said it only ever has a negative effect on the players, particularly the younger one''s. But clearly he was because you said so. He seemed such a nice guy too...
Also, am I a better fan than someone who decided to boo his own team 25 minutes into a 0-0 against a team that was 3rd in the league, when we were playing well and not giving them a sniff? 
Damn right I am.

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[quote user="king canary"]

You can try and dress it up behind how it might negatively affect the team but that is clearly bollocks- players aren''t sensitive souls who break down at the first sound of criticism [/quote]This is so wrong. So many people time after time come on here and say players aren''t affected by how fans react that it is unbelievable.  Players may not be "sensitive souls" as you put it, but they will be affected, sometimes individually, sometimes collectively, when abuse/booing etc is hurled at the them from the terraces - especially if it is persistent and goes on week after week.  Professional footballers have to be fairly thick skinned and strong minded to get to where they have got, but they are not robots.  Even if they are not affected by it in a big way, they will be aware of it and that awareness can be enough to have a negative effect on a performance. Imagine going to work knowing that as soon as you step in the office or work place that people there are going to immediately get on your back and tell me it won''t affect you. You may get on with your job and do it to your best ability, but you will be well aware of people around you who are there who will pounce on every mistake you make - and that will be enough to affect the mentality of the way you do your job. Go to work in an atmosphere where people are supportive and encouraging and not only is a better place to go to work, more enjoyable and less stressful, it is also quite likely to make you perform better. It really isn''t rocket science. 

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@LDC

We''re not talking about continued and persistent abuse or booing though are we? We''re talking about a one off, small section booing one pass.

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@Hoegsar

And someone else spoke to Hucks about booing and he said it wouldn''t really bother them.

Almost like different folks have different opinions.

Overall I think you might have a point if there had been consistent booing and getting on the players backs at 0-0- but it was an outpouring of frustration based on a context I''ve mentioned above.

I do wonder how fans like yourself would cope if you were a Newcastle or Wolves supporter. I''ve actually been surprised by the restraint we''ve seen from the crowd this season.

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I sit lower Barclay block D and definitely heard the booing from my area, the irony is that I had about three empty rows in front of me of definite boo boys but they hadn''t bothered to turn up.

This has been bubbling for weeks/months and speaking to one at half time I understand their frustration. All they can think back to are the days of Holt where we had a hold up merchant and played the odd long ball and still played decent football. Trying to explain it''s not 2010 anymore was a challenge but I get it.

You remind them of having to watch the likes of Dalgleish, Molby, Develd, de balsiis and they realise it''s not all bad.

At least 50% of the lower Barclay are stereotypical norfolk folk and it amazes me they even managed to tie they''re shoe laces, I don''t have a problem with these people booing they don''t know any better but are genuinely decent/nice to talk to people. Simple but good hearted.

The guy I can''t stand is the riteous idiot sat two rows behind that literally thinks he''s gods gift to football and chastises everyone around him for voicing their opinion.

"Don''t boo you morons you don''t get it" is his favourite. The most hypercritical idiot you''ll find at a football ground, I''m positive he''s there just to piss people of and one day someone''s going to turn round and smack him for being a gobshite!

I had 10 minutes of him asking the girl next to him what her perfume was as his "mate" the week before wanted it for his wife 😳 Creepiest conversation I''ve ever heard in public, he thought he was Don Juan! This was inbetween boasting of all the properties he owned.

These are the fans that can jog on, the simple boo boys will come round.

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[quote user="king canary"]@LDC

We''re not talking about continued and persistent abuse or booing though are we? We''re talking about a one off, small section booing one pass.[/quote].....who keep doing it.  It''s a drip drip effect.  Boo the opposition players, boo the ref, the linesmen, but don''t boo your own.  If it makes someone feel better to boo one of their own players when they make a mistake then that is a bit sad imo.   Booing should be a last resort, not a default response to something you don''t like in a match.  Players will be well aware of criticism, issues about their performances without needing booing.  It''s frankly pathetic.    

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I was there. I didn''t boo. But i wasn''t surprised there was some and I wasn''t bothered by it.

You reap what you sow and the club have sewn some sh*t in recent years.

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