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The pathetic bunch that decided to boo in the first half...

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I don''t know. I guess if the booing was due to us losing or playing poorly then I''d have a bit more understanding. But we were dominating the game and had created a couple of chances. For all Villas money and talent on display they were second best.

And when an ex player completely agrees with me and is dumbfounded it even happened at all I think I''ll stick with my original comments.

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I asked Hucks about it after the Millwall game, he said players would have expected it and been just as angry (or words to that effect)

These are professional footballers. They will be used to grumbles. Based on this season, they probably actually agree with a lot of them. If I was Tettey, I would have been just as annoyed at my team as the fans were when he had no choice but to pass it 40 yards backwards because nobody wanted to move.

Like I said, being blown out of all proportion.

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I don''t suppose that it occurs to some of the boo boys, that the whole point of sitting deep and marking tightly is to try to encourage the team in possession to give the ball away? In effect, they are booing the fact that the team refused to play directly into Villa''s hands[:^)]Such an understanding is likely to be beyond anyone who thinks that booing has a positive impact upon players. Hopefully a few of these customers (not fans) are amongst those that have not renewed season tickets. As the OP has stated, we are better off without them. we are attempting to play a more sophisticated brand of football, atm with mixed results, but it is pretty clear that even when it was working it is beyond the understanding of a very small but vocal minority. The irony is that on the Villa "social mediasphere" they are attacking Bruce''s palaeolithic long ball tactics, which are the tactics that some seem to want us to adopt.

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Just imagine if every team was ‘better off’ without the fans that grumble.

Man City would have no fans after yesterday, or Wednesday night

Man Utd would have no fans after the first half yesterday.

Arsenal would have no fans after the last 10 years

Chelsea would have no fans after this season

England would play in an empty Wembley every time

And so on...

Is a pretty stupid thought process, people will react instinctively to what they are seeing. One incident is being completely blown out of all proportion. It’s actually bizarre when people look for negatives despite a win. This is exactly the same.

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God some of you are so precious.

WAAAH WAAAH THE NASTY PEOPLE DID A BOO AND I THINK THEY NEED TO GET OUT OF MY STAAADIUUMM.

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Again King, having spoke to some of those that did boo they shared an IQ of about 3 and used lines such as

"You can see Villa are gonna do us"

"Why dint Tettey just hit it long"

"This is Delias fault"

It has nothing to do with being precious, unless you lack the intellectual capacity to discuss whether in the circumstances it was either reasonable or helpful to do so. It seems McVeigh and several Villa fans at the coach are more capable of conversation and debate.

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RB - "Is a pretty stupid thought process, people will react instinctively to

what they are seeing.
One incident is being completely blown out of all

proportion. It’s actually bizarre when people look for negatives despite

a win. This is exactly the same.

"The whole point is that they don''t. They come to games with preconceived notions and look for evidence to justify them. I don''t know if you go to games or not, but if you do, you would recognise that it is the same fans every time. We are not talking about "normal frustration" that is typical of all sports fans around the world. There is a very small minority of fans that are never happy unless they moan. If you sat near me in the ground, I could point out 3 or 4 out of the several hundred in view + nearly every other fan around me would point out the same fans. They are genuinely only happy when they are throwing abuse at one of our players or the team in general.The only time you ever hear them is when a pass is misplaced or when we go behind - when we play well, they are silent, or as one "customer" has claimed on this thread, take credit for the improved performance with the view that it was down to their booing. What is bizarre is to spend several hundred pounds on a season ticket and moan constantly at every opportunity and p*ss off nearly everybody else within earshot with their views.

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Being a football supporter, by which I mean attending matches home and often away as well, is something that’s in your blood. Shouting, cheering, booing, applauding etc etc are spontaneous actions. We don’t sit/stand there contemplating the whole time whether the sentiments of what we’re about say are going to be shared by our fellow supporters or whether they’ll be helpful or unhelpful. It’s an outpouring of passion and emotion and that’s what makes the difference between a supporter and a customer. It isn’t and shouldn’t be a no questions asked, blind sycophancy that some here seem to think it should be. Stop criticising your fellow supporters for doing somemthing that happens in every football ground up and down the country.

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@sparge

Thats unacceptable though.

I demand immediately that the following disciplinary structure is bought in.

A tut or sigh- 1 game ban

Audible sign of frustration - 1 game ban plus you must personally go and apologise to every player, coach and board member for your horrific behaviour.

Boo- 10 game ban, reduced to 5 if you agree to be paraded at half time as an example of what ''a nasty bad fan'' looks like and admit culpability for every defeat that season.

Sustained booing- lifetime ban

Should soon weed out the inferior types.

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[quote user="hogesar"]Im not surprised you weren''t at the game Mike. If anything it helps explain why you have your somewhat limited viewpoint.

I maintain, those that started to boo 25 minutes into a game against a team in the top 6 with far more money than us, are either brain dead and therefore I''d agree it''s hard to lay blame, or they''re not brain dead but simply so out of touch with reality and actually supporting a football club they shouldn''t bother coming along.

Also Lincoln, we don''t need everyone we can get. That may apply to Ipswich (who are very route one in terms of football style so there''s an option for some of you), maybe even Ipswich. But we have just had 20k season tickets renewed. How many in this league have more? 4?[/quote]

A very mature and adult like response in total keeping with your other posts. I could actually tell you about circumstances, years following, season tickets etc but one, it''s none or your bsinees and two, I can not stand bullies and keyboard warriors. I appreciate your opinion, try and appreciate others. Half a lovely day and try to chill out.

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My problem with this post, is according to my friends at the game, there was very little booing and this kind of post is used to divide our fans base and causes issues in the stands. By all means, don''t boo (as I have said, I do not tend to get on players backs) but if others want to, they have that right.

Anyway great result and let''s hope we see more of that in the next year at home

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[quote user="king canary"]@sparge

Thats unacceptable though.

I demand immediately that the following disciplinary structure is bought in.

A tut or sigh- 1 game ban

Audible sign of frustration - 1 game ban plus you must personally go and apologise to every player, coach and board member for your horrific behaviour.

Boo- 10 game ban, reduced to 5 if you agree to be paraded at half time as an example of what ''a nasty bad fan'' looks like and admit culpability for every defeat that season.

Sustained booing- lifetime ban

Should soon weed out the inferior types.[/quote]The trouble is though King, that your need to caricature and exaggerate demonstrates the weakness of your argument. All football fans moan - it goes with the territory - "frustrated expectations" and all that. Entirely normal and everyday.What we are talking about is a small minority of moronic Neanderthals who only attain joy at matches by booing players and revel in their own "wit" afterwards. It''s the same 1% (or less) every game - never happy until we are losing; not ordinary fans who quite rightly have been frustrated with game after game of goalless fare at times this season. IMO, we would be better off without the tiny proportion but very vocal ignorant perpetual malcontents, especially as are seeking to specialise in developing young talent.To try to make you point seem reasonable you seem to have to misrepresent the argument no doubt under the pretence of humour. By siding with the tiny minority against the vast majority who get fed up with the loud mouths, you in opposition to the majority of fans.

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But Mike, I don''t, and can''t, deny them that right. And there have been times in the past where you could understand the boos. The entire point of this post is in context with the game itself. And had Murphy''s shot at half time hit row z instead, he would have been bood in that climate. Which for a young player would make him question if he should try that again. Now, I loved that goal and enjoyed the game. But I''m not going to pretend that those behind me who continued to boo and call Murphy a ''useless c*nt'' are helping. Especially when hypocrisy is so high that they''re singing his name 20 minutes later.

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It''s not something I would do and indeed when he was totally ineffective at QPR, I did not.

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“It''s not something I would do and indeed when he was totally ineffective at QPR, I did not. “

Neither did I, although I feel that in this climate of openess and honesty I must confess to having questioned the motivation, commitment and ability of our centre forward at one point during the second half! Didn’t boo, though, so hopefully that’s acceptable.

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@badger

Yes, it was supposed to be a joke.

The thing is, I''m not a fan of booing in general and only think it''s really justified at the full time whistle. However what really gets my goat is the ''don''t renew, we don''t need your type here'' bollocks,as if you get to be the arbiter of who is an isn''t a proper fan. I''ve got no time for your 16,000 proper fans all clapping along utopia.

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I do find it a bit unusual that some seem to have a problem with me criticising fans for boo-ing the team they claim to support, yet those that actually want to support the team are just ''happy clapping'' along. I think I''ve been referred to as that on this forum about 12 times in the past 2 weeks yet criticising those who aren''t supporting our team is frowned upon by some. Bizarre.

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Who are we actually talking about here?

Those that have no interest in the game, that turn up to boo, and generally don’t support the team? (They exist, albeit in very small numbers)

Or those that let out a bit of frustration that the ball went backwards 40yards because there was no movement from the players?

Or are they both the same in some peoples eyes?

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It''s all a bit Meh and has been blown out of all proportion in my opinion.If you take the booing out of context just as some may have taken certain parts of that Webber interview, then someone will always be upset. I was more offended by the treatment of Grabban to be honest. What a snowflake generation we are.A shame we can''t just play nicely and enjoy our best performance of the season without whining on.

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The pathetic bunch are those knobber so called ''fans'' who pelt football coaches with bottles and cans......or think they''re Green Street and Football Factory wannabies.......

Whereas people who attend matches religiously, and applaud, moan, whinge, criticise, boo, encourage and cheer (and display varying emotions during the event).......are just, football fans......

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I think that boo-ing our players can be very productive.I am sure that many players who are boo-ed will think to themselves that they should buck up their ideas (or  whatever that is in German or Portuguese) and play a bit better.Gunn could certainly do a bit more instead of lounging about at one end of the pitch stood watching the others. And Hanley is too lazy to try and kick the ball so he lets it bounce off his head instead, as does Klose (who probably set a bad example in the first place).And what about some of the idle beggars sat watching, not helping out. How long was it before Farke got them out of their seats and onto the pitch, well over an hour ?Perhaps if fans threw rotten veg and other nasties the players would soon get the message - though I suspect some would be booing them because they missed the player they were throwing stuff at.

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Its all been said before. No one is denying anyone the right to Boo hoo. Its up to you if you want to indulge in that type of thing. I always go back to the same point, and standpoint when I used to be in the old Barclay. If you are at a match and hear (away or home) the oppo''s Booing their team - what do you think? You think "great" as you know its undermining their team. Likewise if you are 3-0 up and you hear the opposing fans singing in raucous voice, cheering on their team, showing loyalty and love, and a refusal to be dominated - what do you feel? I know what I feel - respect. As many have said the clue is in the word ''supporter''. Personally I think a lot of our crowd are not supporters. A few games ago I was berated by 2 ''friends'' I''ve Known for 40 years, we had all been to the game, but I was berated and mocked "did you actually pay to watch that shit". I did, and will do so, unlike those 2, the freebe brigade.

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Ah so...to be a supporter you have to cheer and clap regardless of what you are seeing or thinking about your club.... Maybe just maybe, some supporters think the best way to move a club forward is to show their dsapproval? And before you start having a go, I just putting forward a different view point..

Anyway, pity we had to have a post about a few people that booed given the good result. if your view is to be positive pity you focus on the tiny amount of negativity...

OTBC

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While I agree with hog and corbs, you just need to pop onto twtd and read about the chants aimed at McCarthy yesterday, that was really ott

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