hogesar 9,657 Posted February 21, 2018 Farke''s quote:“We have the best scoring record in the last 30 minutes of all the teams in this league."Is this true? If so those that were (during our bad run, admittedly) criticising Farke for our additional workload in training etc probably needs to readjust their thought process.It also says a lot about the tactical style of Farke''s play and that we''re not far away from being what he wants us to be. As i''ve said in other threads, had our striker or whoever taken some of the easiest chances at home this season we''d probably be 2 or 3 points off the play-offs at worst. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,603 Posted February 21, 2018 I''d be surprised if it was, simply as we haven''t scored that many goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Canary1 91 Posted February 21, 2018 Fulham are top of that particular Table with 29. We''ve scored 16 in the last 30 minutes, Brentford, Bristol, Cardiff, Ipswich have all scored more than us.We have scored 11 in the last 15 mins though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
If wed only kept Howie.. 3 Posted February 21, 2018 nope, its not correct.. we have scored 16 goals in the last 30 mins (loads of teams have scored more)... the same is true for the last 15mins... and 10minshttp://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
If wed only kept Howie.. 3 Posted February 21, 2018 Darth you beat me to it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 21, 2018 It’s one of those stats that’s just a bit silly really. Sure it shows we keep going to the end, but surely the preceding 60 minutes are just as important?The fact we have a negative goal difference is the bigger indicator surely? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,603 Posted February 21, 2018 I''d imagine we may have the highest % of goals scored late on but that doesn''t mean we have best late scoring record.As Rogue says though, a goal scored in the 58th minute is worth just as much as one in the 68th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted February 21, 2018 Nevermind stats. I''ve noticed that the longer the season goes on the more we dominate teams after 60 mins. I''ve posted the stats to kind of back this up but the opinion is formed by what I witness. Surely others have noticed this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 21, 2018 I see what you mean Nutty, but for example at the time Brentford, Derby, Hull and Sheff Utd were all winning at Carrow Road. This leads to them sitting back, so we dominate the ball even more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted February 21, 2018 Even after listening repeatedly to the recording of DF''s comment, I still can''t make out exactly what he said. Certainly doesn''t sound like "last thirty minutes" though. Re. the "value" of goals, retrospectively some are clearly more valuable than others just in terms of being point earning or not; an equaliser, for example, is more valuable than a consolation goal, and a winning goal more valuable than an equalising one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 21, 2018 Anybody have a rough idea own many points late goals have won us?Ipswich & Hull we scored late equalisers. But can’t remember any others in the last 10minutes or so where we actually gained points? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,341 Posted February 21, 2018 Sounds like we''re going to need it if events at Wolves tonight so far carry on.... [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted February 21, 2018 There you go! Say what you see.Second half of the season we''ve conceded just 2 second half goals. Every game the opposition tire compared to us after about an hour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 21, 2018 I think Farke misspoke. Best scoring record in the last 30 seconds; unbelievable stuff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey dangler 0 Posted February 21, 2018 Whooshhhhhhh! What were you lot saying?Super OLI! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted February 21, 2018 nutty nigel wroteSecond half of the season we''ve conceded just 2 second half goals. Every game the opposition tire compared to us after about an hour.This might also be down to our possession game, it''s harder without the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooty57 403 Posted February 21, 2018 Don''t know about the last 30 minutes..... but we must now have the record for the last 30 seconds !!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted February 21, 2018 It is especially down to our possession game when they begin to tire. You see the opposition making mistakes mentally and physically. On Sunday the binners brought on 3 subs and still were struggling. We definitely are fitter than most teams. I would say the fittest team in the Champs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,657 Posted February 21, 2018 Great result tonight. Would like to think even the dimmest could work our what Farke is trying to achieve now and how hes going about it.Hope Oliviera goes on a run, he needed a bit of luck to get one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,511 Posted February 21, 2018 It''s all down to the double training. You work hard like that and you make that 2% difference. Sometimes you get a goal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dorset Canary 0 Posted February 21, 2018 It was a good second half performance... Fitness levels appear to be high and working well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted February 22, 2018 It''s not just a matter of fitness though is it? As hoggy says, and nutty has observed, there''s an increasingly clear pattern emerging in terms of our approach to, and management of, each game whether home or away. Reminds me a bit of Man Utd under SAF -- steady start, exert more and more control as the game proceeds, rack up intensity and pressure increasingly towards the latter stages. So I think that complaints to the effect that "we never seem to start on the front foot", and "it''s all too slow early on, just passing it around at the back" are point-missingly wide of the mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 22, 2018 That’s great, but there is a massive flaw in that thinking, based on the fact we have been losing going into injury time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted February 22, 2018 [quote user="Rogue Baboon"]That’s great, but there is a massive flaw in that thinking, based on the fact we have been losing going into injury time?[/quote]That''s not a flaw in the approach. Even SAF''s Man Utd sometimes had to come from behind. We are nowhere near Man U''s standard of execution, but that''s a different matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,603 Posted February 22, 2018 @RogueYes, that part does seem to be forgotten.Growing into a game is all well and good but if you''re always coming from behind late on you''re not going to win much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted February 22, 2018 Well lets see shall we...Since the turnround I make it W5 D5 L2 which I make top 6 form. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted February 22, 2018 @NuttyI hope somebody corrects me if I''m wrong, that works out to 1.66pts per game I think, which over a season is around 76/77 points, which would just be enough (normally) for playoffs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted February 22, 2018 That''s what I said Rogue👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,657 Posted February 22, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]@RogueYes, that part does seem to be forgotten.Growing into a game is all well and good but if you''re always coming from behind late on you''re not going to win much.[/quote]We''re not ''always coming from behind late on'' though. The acknowledgement is we generally try and dominate the game and possession which in turn should, in most cases, result in us not conceding, certainly not to the extent we have been previously especially last season. Sometimes individual mistakes will happen but it doesn''t make the tactic wrong, it''s an element the manager can''t control.We also are trying to implement a philosophy which will give us the best chance of winning. Implementing the philosophy isn''t a half season hope. We have to stick with it if we want to really see it work. I''ve seen Rogue say things like "forget its a transition season". Well no, because that''s exactly what it is and if you can''t accept that it''s not really the clubs problem.The good news is the majority have been pretty good at understanding this and have seen us develop. I actually thought it''d take longer to start seeing Farke''s ways pay off. But baring in mind I don''t think our squad is really a top 6 squad (it''s probably in the group of 8-10 or so clubs who think they might have enough), I think the current form we are in should be seen as positive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,603 Posted February 22, 2018 "The acknowledgement is we generally try and dominate the game and possession which in turn should, in most cases, result in us not conceding, certainly not to the extent we have been previously especially last season. Sometimes individual mistakes will happen but it doesn''t make the tactic wrong, it''s an element the manager can''t control."Yes this is all true.The issue with the tactic comes when we get to the final third though. The tactic puts extra pressures on the defense as they know more often than not if they concede a goal it means we''re probably getting a point at most.I remember reading somewhere about Jose Mourinho and how he develops tactics- he focuses in on solidity, drilling in defense and midfield and kind of leaves the attackers to it. At the moment we feel a bit like that- well drilled defensively, good at keeping the ball but short of ideas or plans when we approach the opposition penalty area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites