ZLF 335 Posted April 9, 2018 I see the baggies safe standing rail seat proposals have been declined by the government stating all seater remains the way aheadVery disappointing outcomehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43701400 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
River End Canary 18 Posted April 9, 2018 If we had the Barclay crowd of old then safe standing would have created a terrific atmosphere The current bunch would just stand and be mute rather than sit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted April 9, 2018 really ?saves wasting a huge amount of moneyto achieve what is already happening Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 5,246 Posted April 9, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43701400 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 6,260 Posted April 9, 2018 We should all apply to join the Scottish Premiership. [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 5,008 Posted April 9, 2018 Good. Total waste of money in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 2,203 Posted April 9, 2018 Very poor decision, not that it comes as a surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,572 Posted April 9, 2018 Oh, I actually thought I might have had a padded tile/slab to stand on if they had gave the nod to standing......You can vent a better quality ''BOO!'' when stood, it allows one''s diaphragm to draw more air into the lungs.......Therefore, giving a greater volume with a lengthier and more quality...... ''BOOOOOOO!''.......Oh well, never mind...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingsway 101 Posted April 9, 2018 ["Basil Brusque"]really ?saves wasting a huge amount of moneyto achieve what is already happeningTotally missing the point!The fact that 26 years (1992) since Carrow Road last had proper areas designed for standing, many fans in the Barclay and the Snakepit still stand and why not!Having the rail safestanding areas would improve safety because standing in these area is much safer than standing in seated area where the seats can act as a trip hazard.The rail standing areas would be nothing like the terraces of old because every fan inside these areas would be stood behind a rail which would mean that the infamous surges of old (any Norwich fan at the FA Cup Quarter Final in the away terrace at Upton Park, West Ham in March 1989, a month before the Hillsborough disaster will remember the awful crowd surges that day) wouldn''t be possible.Safe standing rail seated areas are a common sense answer to the many thousands who stand in seated areas at football grounds and would actually make football grounds safer!Hopefully the MP''s against this common sense solution will see the light eventually! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 9, 2018 I hope so too Kingsway. The current situation is clearly causing big problems with the licencing authority and only attracting bad publicity for our club.Proper safe standing areas seem to provide a solution to the sorts of problems we and many other clubs encounter. A rethink is needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingsway 101 Posted April 9, 2018 100% Van Wink!Don''t get wrong the Taylor report done a massive load of good for football in this Country. Stadiums have been improved tenfold, made safer and cleaner, while the ground control measures are a world away from we knew up until the late 80''s.But while the clubs and authorities used the improving safety stick as their main motivation for the Taylor report, I feel their main reason was to encourage wealthier people into football grounds and squeeze the lower earners and spenders out!I always laugh at the fact that I could get out of the old Barclay quicker than I can the new Barclay!26 years and fans desire to stand has not gone away and even many of those too young to remember the old terraces would rather stand!The safe standing area at Celtic Park has been a major success and proves its effectiveness.It works well in other Countries as well.The Hillsborough disaster of 1989 was not caused because people were standing. It was caused by police opening the exit gates to the Leppings Lane stand which meant that anyone on the street with or without a ticket could enter the ground causing overcrowding which made worse by penned areas and fences in front of stand which prevented a quick exit from the stand. In 1996 in South Africa at a football ground called Ellis Park, in a seated area, over 100 people died in a crush caused mainly by corrupt turnstile operators letting in more people than the stand held. Superb ground control measures, no old style terracing combined with no fences and pens ensures the elements that caused the Hillsborough disaster don''t exist today! Its absurd that you can go to lower league football, a music concert, speedway, most other sports and public events and stand without any problems. Safe standing areas need to be brought into English football as soon as possible! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CANARYKING 708 Posted April 9, 2018 [quote user="kingsway"]["Basil Brusque"]really ?saves wasting a huge amount of moneyto achieve what is already happeningTotally missing the point!The fact that 26 years (1992) since Carrow Road last had proper areas designed for standing, many fans in the Barclay and the Snakepit still stand and why not!Having the rail safestanding areas would improve safety because standing in these area is much safer than standing in seated area where the seats can act as a trip hazard.The rail standing areas would be nothing like the terraces of old because every fan inside these areas would be stood behind a rail which would mean that the infamous surges of old (any Norwich fan at the FA Cup Quarter Final in the away terrace at Upton Park, West Ham in March 1989, a month before the Hillsborough disaster will remember the awful crowd surges that day) wouldn''t be possible.Safe standing rail seated areas are a common sense answer to the many thousands who stand in seated areas at football grounds and would actually make football grounds safer!Hopefully the MP''s against this common sense solution will see the light eventually![/quote]I remember that West Ham game, the whole crowd behind the goal where we stood all entered up some stairs about six feet wide, it was an accident waiting to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 8,034 Posted April 9, 2018 It''s perfectly safe sitting down.That''s what the seats are for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,764 Posted April 10, 2018 Disappointing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,717 Posted April 10, 2018 “Its absurd that you can go to lower league football, a music concert, speedway, most other sports and public events and stand without any problems. “Absolutely, I still go to see bands and you don’t think twice about about it. It’s not as difficult as the government are making out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,963 Posted April 12, 2018 There''s a petition on the official government site asking them to reconsider here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/207040. Takes a minute to sign it.It''s reached 18,000 - 10,000 means the government will respond. 100,000 would mean it would be considered for a debate in parliament.Apparently it''s only a "vocal minority" who want to stand safely according to the sport minister. Presumably everyone else who stands up at matches is happy to do it dangerously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,407 Posted April 12, 2018 "We should all apply to join the Scottish Premiership. "You may be able to stand, but you won''t be able to get a drink in the ground during the match!Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 12, 2018 It wouldn''t bother me if it was brought back but for a preference, I would prefer to sit down.Having said that, I stand at rugby matches in preference to sitting in the stand. But the stand is like a wind tunnel and more uncomfortable than standing.It is difficult to stay in a seat if something exciting is happening, especially in the first few rows of any stand.Even if we went back to old style terracing I wonder if the club could generate enough income to make it worthwhile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 12, 2018 Nuff Said wrote the following post at 12/04/2018 11:21 AM:There''s a petition on the official government site asking them to reconsider here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/207040. Takes a minute to sign it.It''s reached 18,000 - 10,000 means the government will respond. 100,000 would mean it would be considered for a debate in parliament.Apparently it''s only a "vocal minority" who want to stand safely according to the sport minister. Presumably everyone else who stands up at matches is happy to do it dangerously?Great stuff, as for the vocal minority, does that include BOO boys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 8,757 Posted April 12, 2018 Tracey Crouch seems to be an utter moron.“I get as many messages from people asking me to deal with persistent standing as I get from people asking me to introduce safe standing.”Yes and introducing safe standing would solve that problem too.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 12, 2018 Yes and introducing safe standing would solve that problem too.... I don''t think you will ever solve the problem of standing in an all seater stadium.And I doubt if you would solve it by putting safe standing in the Barclay for instance. People would still stand in other seating areas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 12, 2018 KG“I don''t think you will ever solve the problem of standing in an all seater stadium. And I doubt if you would solve it by putting safe standing in the Barclay for instance. People would still stand in other seating areas. “Agreed but it would make enforcing the licence requirements a bit easier if the club provided an area where standing is permitted.Subject Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,963 Posted April 12, 2018 It makes it harder to argue when told to sit down if you''ve been given the choice of buying a ticket in a standing area. Especially if it increases the potential capacity, it should be possible to cater for either choice.Anyway, where''s CUDSP when we need him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 8,757 Posted April 12, 2018 @KGIt would make it a lot easier to enforce- firstly it gives those who want to stand a place to go, second it gives the stewards more of an argument with fans- want to stand? Great, book a ticket in the standing area. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 12, 2018 Looks like Norfolk folk are signing the petition in large numbers.Well done 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 12, 2018 Over 30000 signatures now and Norwich/Norfolk one of the highest responding areas👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,717 Posted April 12, 2018 Well done everyone 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 12, 2018 What about away fans? Do you provide an area for them?If so, I assume they would be far apart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,717 Posted April 12, 2018 Yes, West Brom’s application included a section for away fans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
