Yesterday Had Nothing To Do With The New Way Forward.

[Diane 500]

[quote user="Duncan Edwards"]Sorry Ricardo but the notion that "a decent percentage of wins and some entertainment at Carrow Road" will suffice is a load of old pony.

We had exactly that with Alex Neil and he was depicted as a clueless clown by many and wanted out by even more.

Fans want instant success; style is irrelevant. Two weeks ago after we''d ground out some dogged 1-0 wins, we had developed a backbone and a fighting spirit that was so different from the away day humblings witnessed under Neil. There was talk of "something special" being built and pictures of Post match huddles circulated on social media as our new "togetherness" was championed. Three defeats (two by the odd goal and one to the league leaders) and now we''re hearing the same arguments and criticisms that we did under Hughton, Adams, Neil et al. We lack leaders on the pitch, poor recruitment and lacking ambition throughout the club.

It won''t be long before Costa Del Colney rears its head and we start hearing about the Man from Munchen on the back room staff.

We like to think that we hold some sort of footballing high ground, that we''re somehow better or more knowledgeable than other fans. The truth is that despite apparently holding aspirations of grandeur and holding up ideals of some mythical "Norwich way" form of Total Football, it''s all nonsense. It''s about winning. Always has been, always will be. We could play like the Crazy Gang with a dash of Delap throw ins and a large percentage of our fans would settle into their armchair feeling all warm inside on a Saturday evening just because we won.

Deep down, we all know that, Ricardo too. The board are painfully aware too which makes their decision to try and develop a long term philosophy and identity all the braver.

They''ll need to stay brave if they''re to stick with it and will probably see many people fall by the wayside in the meantime. Some people''s patience is wearing thin after a difficult two weeks; given that this project might take two years or more to start bearing fruit there are going to be some difficult times ahead for a lot of City fans, I wonder how many have got the vision and balls to see it through.[/quote]

Excellent post Duncan, as you say its all about us wanting to win, always has been always will be.

[SwindonCanary 455]

I could it coming against Bolton, first 20mins we had nearly all the ball, loads of tippy tappy stuff but hardly any balls into their area. Then when Bolton got the ball, two or three passes and it was in our box! I said to my daughter we''d better watch out or we''ll get caught on the break. as soon as the first one went in that was it, no fight just disappointment from our players. 

[Lessingham Canary 99]

@ Swindon, is your daughter at Uni ? just wondering if i bumped into you at Burton and Villa away last season ?Curious in Norfolk

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.

[The gut 0]

Guess it’s quite telling that a couple on this thread that are getting the most out of the entertainment on show this season are a couple that don’t have to put too much into seeing the game and are watching from the comfort of their own homes. They don’t even seem embarrassed to get in a debate with real fans about it. The cheek of it.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Big Vince"]Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]Yep! Let''s remind ourselves once again........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oilcqw0xIo

[nutty nigel 7,531]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

No, no. no.

85-86 - Division Two Champions (Chase took over during campaign)

86-87 - top 6

87-88 - bottom at Christmas/signed Flecky/finished creditable 14th

88-89 - speaks for itself

89-90 - consolidation

90-91 - consolidation

91-92 - consolidation/cup semi-final

92-93 - speaks for itself

93-94 - consolidation/UEFA Cup last 16

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Big Vince"]Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]If you''re going to credit those three successful seasons to the manager then surely you must do the same with those nine seasons too. Ken Brown, Dave Stringer and Mike Walker achieved success in spite of Chase, not because of him.......

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Big Vince"]Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]If you''re going to credit those three successful seasons to the manager then surely you must do the same with those nine seasons too. Ken Brown, Dave Stringer and Mike Walker achieved success in spite of Chase, not because of him.......[/quote]

No, Chase was the driving force behind the club and it achieved success because of the players he bought and the managers he appointed. For instance, had Brown not been sacked in 1987 the club would have been relegated that season. But Chase appointed Stringer and then bought Fleck and Linighan who were instrumental in turning things around and going on to better things the following season.

The contrast with the Suffolk Socialists couldn''t be starker. They failed to sack Hughton and Neil early doors and so the club was relegated both times. Ditto Worthy.

[nutty nigel 7,531]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

No, no. no.

85-86 - Division Two Champions (Chase took over during campaign)

86-87 - top 6

87-88 - bottom at Christmas/signed Flecky/finished creditable 14th

88-89 - speaks for itself

89-90 - consolidation

90-91 - consolidation

91-92 - consolidation/cup semi-final

92-93 - speaks for itself

93-94 - consolidation/UEFA Cup last 16[/quote]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

Yes yes yes but you haven''t acknowledged the endless whingeing, protests and boycotts. I can think 4 or 5 times where there was real unrest. Unrest that was far beyond your feeble efforts at attacking Smith & Jones. Can you remember all that unrest Vinny? I don''t go along with all the troll accusations you get but I do think some of the stuff you post about Chase''s years is sketchy at best. Almost as though it comes straight from the record books with a bit of second hand information?

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

No, no. no.

85-86 - Division Two Champions (Chase took over during campaign)

86-87 - top 6

87-88 - bottom at Christmas/signed Flecky/finished creditable 14th

88-89 - speaks for itself

89-90 - consolidation

90-91 - consolidation

91-92 - consolidation/cup semi-final

92-93 - speaks for itself

93-94 - consolidation/UEFA Cup last 16[/quote]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

Yes yes yes but you haven''t acknowledged the endless whingeing, protests and boycotts. I can think 4 or 5 times where there was real unrest. Unrest that was far beyond your feeble efforts at attacking Smith & Jones. Can you remember all that unrest Vinny? I don''t go along with all the troll accusations you get but I do think some of the stuff you post about Chase''s years is sketchy at best. Almost as though it comes straight from the record books with a bit of second hand information?

[/quote]

All the protests and boycotts came in 95-96 at the end of his reign. I lived through all the Chase years and attended a lot more games than I do now so I can assure you I am speaking with first hand knowledge of the era. I know things got ugly near the end but there was no simmering discontent throughout the whole period. Why would there be if they were the best years in the club''s history?

[nutty nigel 7,531]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

No, no. no.

85-86 - Division Two Champions (Chase took over during campaign)

86-87 - top 6

87-88 - bottom at Christmas/signed Flecky/finished creditable 14th

88-89 - speaks for itself

89-90 - consolidation

90-91 - consolidation

91-92 - consolidation/cup semi-final

92-93 - speaks for itself

93-94 - consolidation/UEFA Cup last 16[/quote]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

Yes yes yes but you haven''t acknowledged the endless whingeing, protests and boycotts. I can think 4 or 5 times where there was real unrest. Unrest that was far beyond your feeble efforts at attacking Smith & Jones. Can you remember all that unrest Vinny? I don''t go along with all the troll accusations you get but I do think some of the stuff you post about Chase''s years is sketchy at best. Almost as though it comes straight from the record books with a bit of second hand information?

[/quote]

All the protests and boycotts came in 95-96 at the end of his reign. I lived through all the Chase years and attended a lot more games than I do now so I can assure you I am speaking with first hand knowledge of the era. I know things got ugly near the end but there was no simmering discontent throughout the whole period. Why would there be if they were the best years in the club''s history?[/quote]

Well that''s a rum''un''. Because Last Friday you quoted a lady who spoke at the EGM at St Andrews Hall in 1987. The EGM had been called by shareholders who were unhappy with Chase. I attended that EGM. Outside St Andrews Hall discontented fans who weren''t shareholders protested in their own way. How did you know that quote?

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

No, no. no.

85-86 - Division Two Champions (Chase took over during campaign)

86-87 - top 6

87-88 - bottom at Christmas/signed Flecky/finished creditable 14th

88-89 - speaks for itself

89-90 - consolidation

90-91 - consolidation

91-92 - consolidation/cup semi-final

92-93 - speaks for itself

93-94 - consolidation/UEFA Cup last 16[/quote]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

Yes yes yes but you haven''t acknowledged the endless whingeing, protests and boycotts. I can think 4 or 5 times where there was real unrest. Unrest that was far beyond your feeble efforts at attacking Smith & Jones. Can you remember all that unrest Vinny? I don''t go along with all the troll accusations you get but I do think some of the stuff you post about Chase''s years is sketchy at best. Almost as though it comes straight from the record books with a bit of second hand information?

[/quote]

All the protests and boycotts came in 95-96 at the end of his reign. I lived through all the Chase years and attended a lot more games than I do now so I can assure you I am speaking with first hand knowledge of the era. I know things got ugly near the end but there was no simmering discontent throughout the whole period. Why would there be if they were the best years in the club''s history?[/quote]

Well that''s a rum''un''. Because Last Friday you quoted a lady who spoke at the EGM at St Andrews Hall in 1987. The EGM had been called by shareholders who were unhappy with Chase. I attended that EGM. Outside St Andrews Hall discontented fans who weren''t shareholders protested in their own way. How did you know that quote?

[/quote]

Those shareholders had a sentimental attachment to Ken Brown and they were unhappy that Chase took the correct decision to sack him. History proved Chase correct and the shareholders wrong.

[nutty nigel 7,531]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="nutty nigel"]The three years under Paul Lambert were utopia. But they were unique. The what''s acceptable bar is still set above the norm for our club.[/quote]

Lambert''s utopia was still well below Chase''s utopia. Top stuff for 9 years not just three. Best period in the club''s history by far.[/quote]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

No, no. no.

85-86 - Division Two Champions (Chase took over during campaign)

86-87 - top 6

87-88 - bottom at Christmas/signed Flecky/finished creditable 14th

88-89 - speaks for itself

89-90 - consolidation

90-91 - consolidation

91-92 - consolidation/cup semi-final

92-93 - speaks for itself

93-94 - consolidation/UEFA Cup last 16[/quote]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Only 88/89, 92/93 & 93/94 were as you say. The rest were full of whingeing. 2 or 3 of them real protest. Do you have a memory problem Vinny?

[/quote]

Yes yes yes but you haven''t acknowledged the endless whingeing, protests and boycotts. I can think 4 or 5 times where there was real unrest. Unrest that was far beyond your feeble efforts at attacking Smith & Jones. Can you remember all that unrest Vinny? I don''t go along with all the troll accusations you get but I do think some of the stuff you post about Chase''s years is sketchy at best. Almost as though it comes straight from the record books with a bit of second hand information?

[/quote]

All the protests and boycotts came in 95-96 at the end of his reign. I lived through all the Chase years and attended a lot more games than I do now so I can assure you I am speaking with first hand knowledge of the era. I know things got ugly near the end but there was no simmering discontent throughout the whole period. Why would there be if they were the best years in the club''s history?[/quote]

Well that''s a rum''un''. Because Last Friday you quoted a lady who spoke at the EGM at St Andrews Hall in 1987. The EGM had been called by shareholders who were unhappy with Chase. I attended that EGM. Outside St Andrews Hall discontented fans who weren''t shareholders protested in their own way. How did you know that quote?

[/quote]

Those shareholders had a sentimental attachment to Ken Brown and they were unhappy that Chase took the correct decision to sack him. History proved Chase correct and the shareholders wrong.[/quote]

That''s your take on the EGM. The protest that on your last post you denied took place. Were you in the hall or were you outside chanting that "Robert Chase is a homosexual". 

Oh and sort your quoting out Vinny. It''s really untidy and unseemly for a poster of your self proclaimed discernment [;)]

[TIL 1010 4,738]

Big Vince said......Those shareholders had a sentimental attachment to Ken Brown and they

were unhappy that Chase took the correct decision to sack him. History

proved Chase correct and the shareholders wrong.So are you saying that the sacking of Ken Brown was the reason for the EGM. Surely there was another reason ?

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]Big Vince said......Those shareholders had a sentimental attachment to Ken Brown and they

were unhappy that Chase took the correct decision to sack him. History

proved Chase correct and the shareholders wrong.So are you saying that the sacking of Ken Brown was the reason for the EGM. Surely there was another reason ?[/quote]

Yes, the EGM came about as a direct consequence of the sacking of Ken Brown. I remember all the hoo ha about it very well.

[TIL 1010 4,738]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"]Big Vince said......Those shareholders had a sentimental attachment to Ken Brown and they

were unhappy that Chase took the correct decision to sack him. History

proved Chase correct and the shareholders wrong.So are you saying that the sacking of Ken Brown was the reason for the EGM. Surely there was another reason ?[/quote]

Yes, the EGM came about as a direct consequence of the sacking of Ken Brown. I remember all the hoo ha about it very well.[/quote]EGM instigated by Harry Serruys which we all remember. Rather a strange decision to sack a man who although got us relegated twice followed up with immediate returns to the old First Division not forgetting a course a League Cup win at Wembley. Even stranger that Chase managed to churn through another 8 managers in 9 years before his downfall. Nobody seemed to hang around during what you describe often as the greatest period in our history.