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Reading some of the EDP tidbits this morning talking about stating the obvious. Trouble with the journos is they don’t ask the difficult questions. They talk a good talk into the camera delighted at their own sense of self worth and majestic prose of their Monday pieces but they don’t penetrate the Carrow Road bubble with their access fans can only dream of asking of the club their accountibity. It’s safe and warm down King Street I guess.

How about some stats about the cost of being a season tkt holder compared to other clubs and the price of failure this season posed to the board shareholders. How about some transparency since this is 2017 and not 2003. How about a piece on whether Farke not being the one. We’re rooted in negativity now so what effect will these journalists questions hurt?

As a side can you imagine a hiding from Alex Neil on sat? If it happens will it bring about a fundamental change right at the top. We’re teetering on a Chase Out era now it just needs that push. Anyone going to the AGM? Please, I beg of you, use your “in” to raise pertinent questions of the board. Use your voice. You want change then let them have it. I’m sick of this inconsistency and it drags everyone down with it. The fans are being shafted left right and centre because of a stubborn few, that isn’t what this club is about for all the preaching of inclusivity.

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[quote user="Morgan"]Reading some of the EDP tidbits this morning talking about stating the obvious. Trouble with the journos is they don’t ask the difficult questions. They talk a good talk into the camera delighted at their own sense of self worth and majestic prose of their Monday pieces but they don’t penetrate the Carrow Road bubble with their access fans can only dream of asking of the club their accountibity. It’s safe and warm down King Street I guess.

How about some stats about the cost of being a season tkt holder compared to other clubs and the price of failure this season posed to the board shareholders. How about some transparency since this is 2017 and not 2003. How about a piece on whether Farke not being the one. We’re rooted in negativity now so what effect will these journalists questions hurt?

As a side can you imagine a hiding from Alex Neil on sat? If it happens will it bring about a fundamental change right at the top. We’re teetering on a Chase Out era now it just needs that push. Anyone going to the AGM? Please, I beg of you, use your “in” to raise pertinent questions of the board. Use your voice. You want change then let them have it. I’m sick of this inconsistency and it drags everyone down with it. The fans are being shafted left right and centre because of a stubborn few, that isn’t what this club is about for all the preaching of inclusivity.[/quote]Nah. No where near it.

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I have a lot of time for many of these journos Morgan. Some of them are as much of a fan as you and I. But they are employed in today''s world where journalism is all about getting it out there fast and basically getting a headline out there that most people want to click. The season ticket price is a case in point. Any investigatitive journalism would not produce the outrage that came from the cheapest ticket headline. Even a quick Google search would tell you that the reality is very different from what the headline suggests.

People want to read what appeals to their mood and they want it instantly. If you put out something else it won''t get the clicks that won''t get in the dosh and won''t keep their employers happy.

We are lucky to have Michael Bailey who is beginning to have a great following. The fact that people want to read and hear what he has to say means he can be far more objective. And is.

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"The season ticket price is a case in point. Any investigatitive journalism would not produce the outrage that came from the cheapest ticket headline. Even a quick Google search would tell you that the reality is very different from what the headline suggests."

What is the reality then?

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[quote user="king canary"]"The season ticket price is a case in point. Any investigatitive journalism would not produce the outrage that came from the cheapest ticket headline. Even a quick Google search would tell you that the reality is very different from what the headline suggests."

What is the reality then?[/quote]
The reality is whether people pay over the odds for their tickets. Not which clubs have some tickets available at cheaper prices. Why don''t you check for yourself Kingo. It would take a very quick search to see if you''re getting a good deal or not. The most telling point for me is that our club have whole stands available at the cheapest ticket price. Maybe it''s a Suffolk Socialist thing[;)]

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[quote user="Morgan"]Reading some of the EDP tidbits this morning talking about stating the obvious. Trouble with the journos is they don’t ask the difficult questions. They talk a good talk into the camera delighted at their own sense of self worth and majestic prose of their Monday pieces but they don’t penetrate the Carrow Road bubble with their access fans can only dream of asking of the club their accountibity. It’s safe and warm down King Street I guess.

How about some stats about the cost of being a season tkt holder compared to other clubs and the price of failure this season posed to the board shareholders. How about some transparency since this is 2017 and not 2003. How about a piece on whether Farke not being the one. We’re rooted in negativity now so what effect will these journalists questions hurt?

As a side can you imagine a hiding from Alex Neil on sat? If it happens will it bring about a fundamental change right at the top. We’re teetering on a Chase Out era now it just needs that push. Anyone going to the AGM? Please, I beg of you, use your “in” to raise pertinent questions of the board. Use your voice. You want change then let them have it. I’m sick of this inconsistency and it drags everyone down with it. The fans are being shafted left right and centre because of a stubborn few, that isn’t what this club is about for all the preaching of inclusivity.[/quote]Have you tried the Samaritans or writing for the Daily Mail, they appreciate that type of hyperbole and scaremongeringWatching Norwich City can cause cancerImmigrant crisis at Carrow Road as Germans found working at the clubNorwich City refuse to admit muslims may be attending games

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All I want from my "club" is a successful 1st team. The youth set up is there to improve the first team. The ticket pricing... there to improve the first team. All the corporate / covers at the club? !st Team. In my opinion we have ruined the best chance of a 1st team because our decision making at the top has been appalling (scouting, training ground, the Alex Neil debacle when we gave him a fortune when he clearly was not fit for purpose etc etc). Journalists like Charlie Wyatt have made valid points as have Rob Butler but then they tend to get ridiculed by a section of our support that only seem interested in how good social events are and their access to minor celebs.

Good social events are positive but too much of that is held up to show our "club"is nbetter than X Z Y and not enough about the 1st team. We are now back to the pre bad old days of relegation to Division One and the lack of hope is killing... Will not change until their is a clean sweep of ALL areas at the club including the owners & their choice of new owner.

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Watching Norwich City can cause cancer

Immigrant crisis at Carrow Road as Germans found working at the club

Norwich City refuse to admit muslims may be attending games

😂😂😂😂

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I wrote it in another thread - good football. Where we''re competitive, sure we''ll lose but at present it''s.. dull.

If any of you like the journalists fine, that''s your prerogative, but given their closeness to the club you just get the same tosh week in week out. Just feels like they go through the motions and sitting on the fence

I appreciate you taking the p155 out of me and apologies if my opinion is a bit vitriolic but ffs it''s torture following Norwich sometimes and the local press don''t really help, they almost add to the smokescreen.

In 2003 I purchased one of the best post-hardcore punk albums ever called ''Worship and Tribute'' by a band called Glassjaw. I went to go see them at the Astoria in London, got all the way there to find the gig was cancelled and had been for a few days, except I hadn''t noticed, back then Dereham only had 56k modems. Myself and my friend traipsed the length of Oxford St a few times in the freezing autumn cold before giving up and heading home - the ticket inspector on the train didn''t charge us for coming back on an earlier train thankfully. 2003 were good days.

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They are local journalists and so depend on the club for much of what they can write up. That relationship is not going to be jepodised by them asking awkward questions, or the club answering them.The media has changed. The club who are beholden to commercial interests cannot simply speak on all matters as it sees fit.Relax, take what you can from the club and perhaps don''t imagine it is all a conspiracy against supporters.We''ve been here before ... so many times and far worse

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I wrote it in another thread - good football. Where we''re competitive, sure we''ll lose but at present it''s.. dull.

We had exactly that last season but it wasn’t enough. As such, while your point is well intentioned and may well be true in your case, that isn’t enough for many.

The only thing that is enough is winning consistently, home and away. Style, good football, all the rest of it are irrelevant. To see this is the case you only need your DeLorean to take you back about 6 weeks when the fans, journos and everybody else were talking of “something special” being built under the current board, management structure, players and fans.

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"We had exactly that last season but it wasn’t enough. As such, while your point is well intentioned and may well be true in your case, that isn’t enough for many. "

No we didn''t. We had attacking football, not good football. Those are different things.

You can be a good team that are solid defensively. Huddersfield played good football last season but only scored 56 goals, a full 29 less than us.

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You''re right it is subjective. But I don''t think it is as simple as ''goals scored = good football.''

We played good football at times last but good football also involves defending well, not just attacking well.

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Of course, there are many aspects to the game and we’ve even done some of them well this season. We probably did some last night.

But....

Under Hughton it was “we want attacking football”, under Neil “we want a defensive coach” and now we want “good Football” however that can be defined. My overriding point remains though, it’s all cack, fans couldn’t care less about attacking, defending, style, total football, heat maps, possession, route one or the ball going in off Dean Coney’s arse as long as we’re winning.

To throw a spanner into my own works, when we were winning comfortably regularly in League One under Lambert the atmosphere in the ground even tailed off then - too easy perhaps? 😉

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[quote user="Duncan Edwards"]Of course, there are many aspects to the game and we’ve even done some of them well this season. We probably did some last night.

But....

Under Hughton it was “we want attacking football”, under Neil “we want a defensive coach” and now we want “good Football” however that can be defined. My overriding point remains though, it’s all cack, fans couldn’t care less about attacking, defending, style, total football, heat maps, possession, route one or the ball going in off Dean Coney’s arse as long as we’re winning.

To throw a spanner into my own works, when we were winning comfortably regularly in League One under Lambert the atmosphere in the ground even tailed off then - too easy perhaps? 😉[/quote]
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I think the problem stems from a desire to present Norwich fans as a homogeneous group with one opinion.

Some fans value style, some value results above all else, some have a balance in the middle.

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Yeah but if fans are after style and results on a consistent basis (after all, we had it on an inconsistent basis with AN) - then they''re probably supporting the wrong club long-term.

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Morgan - Why don''t you ask those questions of the journalists yourself, they don''t hide away, theres always a couple at our ncfsc events, if not you can talk to Michael Bailey on facebook or twitter or if you want to speak to him let me know and I ll get him to call you.

Questions of the board can be asked at the AGM, if you''re not a shareholder, let us know and one of us shareholders who isn''t going will make sure you get in

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Mr Apples wrote the following post at 2017-11-22 4:59 PM:

"All I want from my "club" is a successful 1st team"

How do you define success?

Apples

Howe about winning a play off final at Wembley, or finishing in the top two of the Championship? Success!?

Scoring 7 goals at home in 9 attempts, losing consistently, home and away, or having 23 points from a possible 54! Success!?

Isn’t too difficult to define, is it?

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How about you judge success when the season is over, not on the back of a run of poor form at the start of a season?I''d imagine quite a few things are difficult for you.Apples

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[quote user="king canary"]I think the problem stems from a desire to present Norwich fans as a homogeneous group with one opinion.

Some fans value style, some value results above all else, some have a balance in the middle.[/quote]

Perhaps. I’d suggest that the turnover of managers, coaches etc indicates that those balanced in the middle are fewer than we might like to think but also that we’re exactly the same as any other club. Fans want their club to be successful; not many (none) look and think, cor, that’ll do!!! We didn’t when we were in the top flight, we don’t now and you can look back on season after season where we’ve wanted more, Worthington finishing 9th or whatever it was and culminating in a trip to the third tier. Sticking might have resulted in the same outcome, in no soothsayer, maybe it would have happened sooner, perhaps we’d have been a mid table championship club forever. I don’t know. I do know that not many fans would have swapped the Lambert years for anything. That came about because we’d been poop.

As I said, every fan wants their club to be successful but, essentially, only a handful of clubs can be at any one time.

I loved that Lambert time, I loved Wembley even more because I was able to take my son. All of it was facilitated by us being pony for a bit.

It’s not about “accepting mediocrity” - what the hell is that anyway? How do you “not accept it”?

Posting on twitter that x,y,z aren’t up to the task? By suggesting that Rod, Jane and Freddy would do a better job than Bungle, Zippy and George?

There are countless city fans that have wanted every manager out (Lambert aside) for as long as I can remember, plenty have wanted the maj shareholders out for equally as long, maybe longer.

Yet we’ve made changes to the team, the manager, the coaching staff, the board, the academy, we’ve hired, fired and even aspired. We’ve bought players that have scored, players that are flawed and even had managers that fell on their sword, but it’s never enough.

That’s being a football fan.

Our up, down, hang about, down, up, up, down existence has at least delivered in terms of entertainment, of seasons and matches having “something on them”.

And all the while we aspire to be what? An established premier league team? Where the riches are a misnomer, where the windfall disappears on mercenary players and their guerilla agents?

Many of our fans would probably swap with Liverpool in a heartbeat. Players like Suarez, Coutinho and James Milner (😂)....but Liverpool fans are just like us. They haven’t won the league since 1990. 27 straight years of disappointment only punctuated by the odd cup win and a fluke comeback against Milan.

There are probably 85 football league clubs for whom that would be the ultimate achievement but for them it’s a piss poor return.

So, yeah, we’re all like it. More, more, more.

By definition it can’t happen for all of us and even with the spending power and gravitas the name Liverpool holds, they still can’t make it happen either.

As always, there’ll be clubs like Bournemouth, Swansea, Southampton, Burnley and Watford. Just like there was QPR, Portsmouth, Barnsley, Blackpool and Bradford. Barring the top 7 or 8, there’ll always be the rest of the league made up by the “others”. For the others, realistically, that’s as good as it gets. We’ve been in that others list plenty, these other clubs are having their “moment” right now. But Norwich City; like Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Leeds, Forest, Scum, Derby, Portsmouth, Coventry, Wolves, Sunderland, Cardiff, QPR blah blah blah all think they SHOULD be as a bare minimum fighting for top flight status and plenty think they should be there and established. You can’t put three pints of lager in a pint glass.

I also understand the concern about finances; parachute payments we hear the cry!!!! They’re there to stop a club going bust. Because that club is likely to have gambled beyond their means to try and survive in the bear pit that is the Premier League. Players bought in the vain hope of survival probably aren’t suited to the physicality and intensity of the championship but to get them to join your little “others” club, they’re on a cracker of a contract. So, instead of the parachute giving you a lovely floating landing down to the Championship, it’s more like a semi-inflated dinghy to cling to as you hurtle into the wilderness of a very dark and deep ocean.

We all want us to do well, we all want to see us win but any notion that there’s some magic solution, correct method or even that money would guarantee or improve our position is, in my opinion, idealistic at best and more likely as wide of the mark as an Alex Tettey volley. Now and again though, like Tettey against Sunderland, you catch one right and it’s unstoppable.

Remember to enjoy that and take it in, more City seasons than not are going to be ballooning into the Upper Tier rather than flying into the far corner.

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