Big O 225 Posted December 18, 2017 Isn''t it sad how modern day sport is just completely ruined by TV money.I was lucky enough to have been born in 78 and watch Division1 football when, yes there were still big clubs, but every team had a chance of a decent season and finishing up the table. Young players who didn''t make it at the best clubs dropped down to smaller clubs to have a career - they were not millionaires without making an appearance. Don''t get me wrong the standard of the top teams is far higher but it''s become so dull.Now it is happening to cricket, the ashes have been a shambles. The itinerary just not suited to competitive games but all about money. Have to play a ridiculous number of games in such a short time period. The county game is awful beholden to legacy counties rather than a successful cricket team. This is doubled up with an out of touch ECB appointing and continuing with the concept of a selection panel. Utterly disastrous.You can start to see the influence of the clubs grow in Rugby too, let''s hope it doesn''t go the same way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 495 Posted December 18, 2017 Yep, those Manchester City fans just hate what money has done to their club. 😏The days when clubs like ours could compete at the top level are long gone and, in any case, our owners aren''t not going to risk the financial impact of trying to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 662 Posted December 18, 2017 Football lost its soul long, long ago. I agree that it is all now just so incredibly dull.I was flicking through some old Norwich season reviews from the late 80s/early 90s on YouTube and it''s astonishing how much the game has changed since even then. What I''d give to have been watching games back then.When they decide to make the top league a closed league with no relegation, then it''ll be game over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,131 Posted December 18, 2017 It''s not just sport though, is it? Our whole society is based around the idea that money is ultimately the only yardstick that matters. I read an interesting article recently about how countries used to measure their achievements with multiple metrics - education, poverty, health and so on. Today, all we seem to focus on is income per capita or similar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 557 Posted December 19, 2017 The inevitable consequence of blind capitalism ... short term seduction - long term regret. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whoareyou? 0 Posted December 19, 2017 Football is certainly not the great game it once was.Premier League football is like a game of chess, waiting for someone to make a mistake rather than trying to win the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted December 19, 2017 Born in 78 ? You’ve only got started ! 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,604 Posted December 19, 2017 Football needs the bubble to burst so it can remember what it is supposed to be - a competitive sport rather than a business enterprise.American sports have this so much better than us - salary caps, no transfers for money, only player trades, youth development separate from the clubs...They benefit from a closed shop though and any chance of these sorts of systems working in football is now long gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,219 Posted December 19, 2017 King, Do you note the irony of America operating a form of sporting protectionism (aligned with communist principles note) in supposedly the most capitalist country in the world?Parma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,604 Posted December 19, 2017 @parmaYes, it''s one of the weirder aspects of their sport. However they do seem to have realised something that football clubs the world over have forgotten - that there is a duty to protect the integrity of the sport and the competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted December 19, 2017 [quote user="king canary"]Football needs the bubble to burst so it can remember what it is supposed to be - a competitive sport rather than a business enterprise.[/quote]And yet so many fans up and down the country yearn for a ''rich investor'' rather than their club being run by local business people in the way they traditionally were..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 Is money......the ''route'' of all Evil?..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0 Posted December 19, 2017 [quote user="king canary"]Football needs the bubble to burst so it can remember what it is supposed to be - a competitive sport rather than a business enterprise.American sports have this so much better than us - salary caps, no transfers for money, only player trades, youth development separate from the clubs...They benefit from a closed shop though and any chance of these sorts of systems working in football is now long gone.[/quote]And yet teams are franchised and moved all over the country.I''m sure there are plenty of examples of decent morality in sport, I''m not sure the American model is one of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,604 Posted December 19, 2017 Yes, their system is far from perfect. But what they have in place protects competition, gives every team a hope of winning their respective tournaments and forces teams to rely on good players and coaching rather than just allowing whoever spends the most to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Wal 314 Posted December 19, 2017 The lack of competition in the Premiership is obvious when of the twenty teams about six of them would consider finishing fifth as failure whereas of the remainder finishing seventeenth is success.A league of twenty teams that has so few potential winners is not good for football.Thank goodness for Leicester (even if it was just one season). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 The ''Flying Lizards'' summed it up......oh, and ''Pink Floyd''.......and quite a few others, actually.......Abba, etc, etc, etc....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,531 Posted December 19, 2017 Money''s not evil. Money''s also not the route of all evil. However the love of money has a fair bit to answer to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 Money, makes folk do evil things...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted December 19, 2017 Nutty knows 😀👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 Well nutty would.....he''s your buddy..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted December 19, 2017 Won''t Mike Ashley soon be looking for a new investment opportunity?Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 Core Apples, I don''t really actually know?......Does your Buddy Nutty or his big lad know?.....I''m actually from a lot further South of Ashley''s Club, but I do think you, your buddy Nuts and his son''s geography knowledge should be questioned?Do you know where Surrey is?.......One of our Club Majority shareholder''s from there.....Is Micky Wynn a mackem?.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted December 19, 2017 That''s a bit OTT Mello............I was only throwing it out there......Apples............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 Yeah, but I''m sensitive, coz those Geordie fans are stereotyped as being tubby footy shirt wearing thicko types......Oh, hang on a bit, do you know or socialise with any tubby footy shirt wearing types?......Just throwing it out there?..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted December 19, 2017 "Yeah, but I''m sensitive, coz those Geordie fans are stereotyped as being tubby footy shirt wearing thicko types".........Well, if the cap fits............................Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 I don''t wear a cap, it flattens my hair - but do you socialise with tubby footy shirt wearing types?.......Are you a tubby footy shirt wearing type?......Do you walk sideways.....are you a crab apple?..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted December 19, 2017 Mello in answer to your questions: No, No, Yes (when the need arises, but not that often), No.............I hope that has cleared that up...............Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted December 19, 2017 Thanks little pips......you''re a peach...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cornish sam 953 Posted December 19, 2017 [quote] user="Parma Ham''s gone mouldy"]King, Do you note the irony of America operating a form of sporting protectionism (aligned with communist principles note) in supposedly the most capitalist country in the world?Parma[/quote]I would say that rather than aligning with communist principles the American system in many ways embodies their capitalism. The rules aren''t in place to ensure an egalitarianism on the sporting field but rather to ensure that the owners maximise their profits. They are cabals, not collectives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,604 Posted December 19, 2017 Apart from the Packers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites