ec-p 90 Posted December 20, 2017 Bound to have the game of his life on Friday. Still a bit of a mystery as to what went on there. At least we got our money back, I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 20, 2017 No mystery, Alex Neil was a bit of an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,457 Posted December 20, 2017 And you’re clearly a football genius... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 20, 2017 Never claimed I was.But Neil''s handling of talented attacking players last season was beyond baffling. £8m spent on Pritchard but refused to give him a run in the team. Canos bought in and never even given a chance. Maddison loaned out and then not used when he returned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari_2 0 Posted December 20, 2017 It''s nor really a mystery. He just didn''t expect Jacob Murphy to be as good as he was, Canos clearly wanted to play games and as we''ve seen we needed to recoup money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 20, 2017 King canary, you''d have played Canos in front of Jacob Murphy then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 20, 2017 I would have done a bit of rotation probably.It isn''t like Canos was getting chances off the bench or anything. He got one start, two chances off the bench and then frozen out until we sold him.During that period we went something like 12 games without a win and on occasions Jacob looked jaded so giving a young talent we''d paid £2.5m for (reportedly) a shot doesn''t seem such a mad suggestion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,457 Posted December 20, 2017 He’s started 10 games and been subbed in 5 of those, just saying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 20, 2017 So?He''s getting regular games at a team above is in the table and I believe was injured earlier in the season.I''m entirely confused as to why people feel the need to defend Neil on this one- he bought a player, never played and them sold him while spending more on another winger who now doesn''t play very much for us, while the one he sold is showing himself to be a solid Championship performer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 273 Posted December 20, 2017 joined us because he wanted to play week in week out. Jacobs form prevented that and Canos didn t get what he signed up for and didnt like it.Still wanted to play regularly and so asked for and was granted a move.One of those moves that fate conspired against. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0 Posted December 20, 2017 [quote user="king canary"]No mystery, Alex Neil was a bit of an idiot.[/quote]So many on here backed Neil''s decision to sell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike 2 Posted December 20, 2017 [quote user="king canary"]So?He''s getting regular games at a team above is in the table and I believe was injured earlier in the season.I''m entirely confused as to why people feel the need to defend Neil on this one- he bought a player, never played and them sold him while spending more on another winger who now doesn''t play very much for us, while the one he sold is showing himself to be a solid Championship performer.[/quote]Careful, it seems as though you are expecting a serious or adult debate on here.... you will be MASSIVELY disappointed. PS Re Canos - totally agree Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 20, 2017 @ZimmerI''d sympathise with that point of view if he''d been getting some game time off the bench. However to freeze a player out after working hard to sign him in the summer smacks of bad management to me.As mentioned above it also fits into a pattern of Neil not really knowing how to use talented attacking footballers. He spent a bundle on Pritchard but essentially refused to use him in any meaningful way, refused to use Maddison after he returned from Aberdeen, all the while giving game time to the hard working but much less talented Naismith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 20, 2017 Is this the same Alex Neil who''s Preston team are well above us in the league having scored more goals than us even with our wealth of attacking talented players?Just out of interest how many goals had we scored this time last season with a manager that didn''t know about attacking football? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,086 Posted December 20, 2017 Alex Neil is a great manager motivating players when he has no money hamilton when he first came here and preston its when we gave him money it all went wrong he stopped doing the high press Attacking football and was a Rabbit in headlights on who to sign with transfers if he came here now he would get the team playing better i have no doubt without signing anyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,653 Posted December 20, 2017 Canos couldnt get in the team ahead of Murphy who obviously had a particularly good goalscoring and assist figure considering it was his first season at that level. Canos had a few league cup appearances if i remember and bar a single goal didnt offer much if memory serves me right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,457 Posted December 20, 2017 I seem to remember someone we can’t name on here saying he watched Canos in an under 23 game and he didn’t look any better than any of the others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 20, 2017 Saw Canos in every under 23 game he played, constantly berated by manager and fellow players for never tracking back, when Nelson was one of those players it says a lot, yes Nelson moaning at someone else for not putting the effort in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,653 Posted December 20, 2017 Hahaah DDD, good to hear from someone who actually saw him play rather than making random judgement calls! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 20, 2017 Did have a great game in the cup against Coventry (maybe) tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 20, 2017 Look, I''m not claiming he''s some sort of world beater.But if you spend a couple of million on a young player it is pretty fucking weird to then refuse to play him. Made even more weird by the fact he''s gone to another championship team and proved he''s actually not a bad player at this level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 20, 2017 When''s he proved it? Scored a couple of goals in a calendar year and spent plenty of time on the bench or injured Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 21, 2017 Well Brentford fans seem to think he has...http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sergi-canos-brentford-match-made-13992592.amp?__twitter_impression=true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 21, 2017 Some of our fans still think lafferty could have been the answer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,653 Posted December 21, 2017 And Becchio. And anyone else not in the team at whatever time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 21, 2017 C''mon folks, engage with the point I''m making, not some made up strawman.I''m not claiming Canos was ''the answer'' to anything, I don''t think if we''d have played him more we''d have got promoted.I''m saying that there is some staggeringly poor management going on when you sign a player, freeze him out, never give him a sniff of a chance (despite a 12 game run without a win) and then sell him. Now at the time we could maybe say ''he just isn''t good enough for this level, poor scouting.'' Except he''s now gone on to show he can cut it at this level. This failure is compounded further by signing another winger for more money who now warms our bench.It also sits in a pattern of Neil having ''issues'' managing some of our more exciting attacking talents (Pritchard, Maddison, Canos, Josh, even Redmond). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,653 Posted December 21, 2017 If a player gets opportunities in the U23''s to impress but doesn''t, all whilst someone who plays in his position in the first team is scoring and assisting goals, then it''s hardly surprising he doesn''t get a massive look in to the first team. During our 12 game run he could have given him a couple of opportunities but it''s hardly a glaring error. The fact he''s performing averagely for Brentford doesn''t really prove or disprove anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 21, 2017 You keep banging on about Alex Neil and his attacking problems, check your facts we scored tons more goals than we have this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 21, 2017 Full of shitRedmonds game came in leaps and bounds under Neil (remember Wembley) and he got his big money move Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,599 Posted December 21, 2017 I''m not talking about his ''attacking problems'' I''m talking about his issues using certain types of players correctly.Do you think he got the most he could out of our £8m summer signing? Or out of Maddison? Or even out of Wildschut?We scored a shed load of goals because we basically threw 8 players forward with every attack and spent our entire transfer budget on attacking midfielders while completely ignoring the defence, not because Neil is some genius attacking manager. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites