Irn Bru Canary 0 Posted December 24, 2017 Ungrateful Norwich fans should be thankful for the woman who cares about their club - excellent read. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,578 Posted December 24, 2017 Pay wall so I can''t read it but Rod Liddel is a prick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 668 Posted December 24, 2017 Seems like that chant at Fridays game has ruffled a few feathers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coneys Knee 941 Posted December 24, 2017 More of the same boring "all hail queen delia" argument. I am grateful she saved us in our hour of need. I''m less grateful for the repetitive errors that have been made. I''m even less grateful of her disregard for the fans at times. It''s as if she and the people that trot out in her defence genuinely believe we owe her something? What do we owe her exactly? I pay nearly £500 a year on my season ticket as many do, along with anything else I may spend along the way. I owe her nothing. Change the record and give us some real reason why we should be grateful she is here.PQuite simply she''s taken us as far as her resources are able to in the modern game. If they don''t actively look for a new benefactor, this great club of ours is going to silently ad slowly fall by the wayside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 24, 2017 Yeah who wouldn''t be grateful paying the 8th highest cheapest season tickets in the country to watch championship relegation footballshe was probably on the phone straight after the Brentford game to her pal Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted December 24, 2017 Hairy Canary wrote the following post at 24/12/2017 8:47 AM:Seems like that chant at Fridays game has ruffled a few feathers. YepYet strangely the Delia Out chants were not explicitly reported on Look East but are picked up in the Sunday Times.Looks like Ron is blaming Farke/ Webber and refers to us exiting the league in the wrong direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
he 0 Posted December 24, 2017 Delia Smith and MWJ have done a lot of good things. You never know how a manager appointment goes. Many of them have been good appointments and some have been bad. For example was it genious to appoint Alex Neil since it ended with promotion. Back then ‘everybody’ hailed and praised the board. It’s the same with all football clubs in the whole world. Also Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester City, Manchester Utd and so on, some are good and some are bad. The board are patient, maybe a bit too patient sometimes. In the situation we are in now they are a bit late to take action, since things started to go bad many months ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted December 24, 2017 I Wonder if he would be printing the same if the club had been owned by an American consortium for the last 25 years.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted December 24, 2017 It''s a rubbish article, says we should be grateful, then goes on to say Webber and Farke are rubbish and shouldn''t have been appointed, even though it was the board who appointed them. Also glorifies Millwall by association. Pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DDD In The Fine City 1 Posted December 24, 2017 Crikey this is a first, I completely agree LDC, it must be Christmas 🎄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted December 24, 2017 Haven’t read it and have no intention of doing so. Who the Fuck is he to tell paying supporters, and loyal supporters at that, who have been there through the good and some very, very low times that they should be grateful? Maybe he should fuck off and tell the Newcastle fans how grateful they should be of Ashley, after all, he has consistently provided PL football for them, last season apart. Prick wouldn’t dare do it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xxxx 0 Posted December 24, 2017 Grateful for the owner who puts absolutely nothing into the club , maybe she should start by matching Evans £6 million a year down the road , that would at least get us a couple of half decent players . Delia Smith has turned this club into a laughing stock and its only going to get worse , sooner shes gone one way or the other the better . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted December 24, 2017 Delia and MWJ have made some mistakes but on the whole I''d say they were good for the club. Stick with them and they may turn it around again, Personally I''d like to see a new manager. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,334 Posted December 24, 2017 I wonder if this will work ?https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/ungrateful-norwich-fans-should-be-thankful-for-woman-who-cares-about-club-tv5tlb87s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldRobert 38 Posted December 24, 2017 Rod Liddle December 24 2017, 12:01am, The Sunday Times Ungrateful Norwich fans should be thankful for woman who cares about club Rod Liddle ShareSave Tinned mince and frozen mashed potato. As a metaphor for the football being played at Carrow Road this season, that just about does it for a growing proportion of Norwich City fans. Towards the end of their team’s guileless and inept capitulation to a rapidly improving Brentford on Friday, the chants began: “We want Delia out, we want Delia out.” Delia Smith is 76 years old and, with her husband Michael Wynn-Jones, the largest shareholder in Norwich City. A few years back Britain’s best loved chef slightly tarnished her reputation with a cookery book that recommended using those very comestibles I mentioned in my opening sentence. One woman who read the book wrote online: “When I read about the tinned mince and the frozen mash, I began to cry. I’m no cook but even I can mash a potato.” It was an eccentric take on shepherd’s pie, for sure — but then all of Delia’s recipes tend to be more notable for their pragmatism than their haute cuisine elegance. It is one of the reasons I like her books so much. Too many cooks: some Norwich fans want Delia Smith outMATTHEW USHERShe is famous as well for standing on the pitch, urging the Norwich faithful to support their side during a crucial game against Manchester City: “Where are you, where are you — let’s be ’avin you!” She denied, on that occasion, that she was several sheets to the wind. Norwich lost the game. It has been a fairly steady, if unspectacular spiral downward pretty much ever since. They now sit well below mid-table in the Championship, having won once in 11 games. They are, by some margin, the worst team to have visited The Den this season, easily brushed aside, seemingly anxious to be bullied out of possession, hilariously lax at the back, threatless up front and, as the game wore on, possessed of all the animation and fortitude of a rabbit with myxomatosis. Score: 4-0 to Millwall. Hell, we almost never score four! Where do the problems lie? All over the place. Last summer the club announced the appointment as head coach of the completely unknown German, Daniel Farke. At the time, the Norwich sporting director, Stuart Webber, said: “We are not appointing a novice, you know.” With respect, Mr Webber, yes you were. Herr Farke’s managerial credentials are confined to a lengthy spell with the might of S V Lippstadt, who play in a German regional league, and whom he shepherded to a promotion followed, swiftly, by a relegation. Oh, and managing Borussia Dortmund’s second team — largely the under 23s — who play in the fourth tier. His stats for both clubs are moderate. This season Farke has emerged from defeats sounding bemused and wearied: “I did not see that result coming,” he said, after the hammering at Millwall in August. Nor indeed the rest of them: they are an apparent mystery to him. There is a case for saying that what Farke and Webber are trying to do is laudable — gradually build a team, based on youth and promise and attractive football. But it is also precisely the recipe for exiting the Championship in the wrong direction. It is a hard and nasty league and to get out of it the right way you need a tough, resolute defence and a centre-forward who will get you 20 goals a season. Norwich City have neither of those. They are lightweight and ephemeral, engagingly neat in the middle of the park, but dilatory at both ends. That truly is a recipe for relegation, and when you look at the table, there are plenty of clubs below them with the wherewithal to get out of the messes they are in right now. I hope I’m wrong about this, for Millwall’s sake, but I do not see Sunderland, Hull City, Queens Park Rangers (even with the awful Ian Holloway) or Birmingham City going down this season. Farke’s job is supposedly safe, despite the protests from Norwich’s valiant attempt at a boisterous and threatening section of the ground, the Snakepit. And so instead the odium is being poured upon Delia. And what odium. One poster on a fans’ forum wrote: “She’s an incredibly selfish woman who cannot conceive a weekend without the regularity of wining and dining at Carrow Road. That is her life, and we’re all having to pay for it with our own emotions.” Ooh, my. It is indeed dispiriting to find yourself in mid-table — or even in League One — when you think you should be in the top four of the Premier League, as some in Norfolk would contend. But it is also a little one-eyed. Smith spent her own money rescuing the club she fervently supports at a time when nobody else really gave a monkey’s. In this she is similar to Steve Gibson at Middlesbrough, who play in a similar manner to Norwich (more noblesse oblige) and some of whose fans want him kicked out too because they are not in the top six. The general rule is: be careful what you wish for. Both clubs have owners wholly committed to both the area and the team. That is a rare thing in football these days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coneys Knee 941 Posted December 24, 2017 So after pointing out correctly so many of our problems that the current majority shareholders and board have presumably sanctioned, he then urges us ungrateful fans to be grateful.For me that is the attitude, the delia is a hero for taking us on attitude, that has got us into this state. She took us on because she wanted to. She supports Norwich and could afford to engage in such a hobby at the time NOT because she was behaving like some kind of martyr. It''s almost laughable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,985 Posted December 24, 2017 [quote user="Coneys Knee"]So after pointing out correctly so many of our problems that the current majority shareholders and board have presumably sanctioned, he then urges us ungrateful fans to be grateful.For me that is the attitude, the delia is a hero for taking us on attitude, that has got us into this state. She took us on because she wanted to. She supports Norwich and could afford to engage in such a hobby at the time NOT because she was behaving like some kind of martyr. It''s almost laughable.[/quote]How do you work that out - as you said she took the club on because she wanted to and could afford to, other people people may have cast her in those roles but I''ve never heard Delia say anything to suggest she regards herself as either a hero or a martyr.I think her motivation and intentions have always been in line with what she believes is best for the club - her vision of the club that is, which is clearly not a vision shared by a lot of the fans. That''s hardly an unusual situation though, in fact its the norm for many clubs.But she is a genuine owner/supporter which is pretty unusual nowadays, but one which I personally would prefer to some overseas ''investor'' with no connection to the club other than a desire to wash some of their dirty money through the UK financial system. I get the impression I''m in a steadily diminishing minority on that one but it doesn''t really matter either way because its not our call, nor will it ever be unless we could somehow move to a position where the supporters owned a really serious chunk of the shares. But despite the level of our support it has never looked as though we could raise anywhere close to the kind of cash needed to make that fly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,345 Posted December 24, 2017 [quote user="Creative Midfielder"][quote user="Coneys Knee"]So after pointing out correctly so many of our problems that the current majority shareholders and board have presumably sanctioned, he then urges us ungrateful fans to be grateful.For me that is the attitude, the delia is a hero for taking us on attitude, that has got us into this state. She took us on because she wanted to. She supports Norwich and could afford to engage in such a hobby at the time NOT because she was behaving like some kind of martyr. It''s almost laughable.[/quote]How do you work that out - as you said she took the club on because she wanted to and could afford to, other people people may have cast her in those roles but I''ve never heard Delia say anything to suggest she regards herself as either a hero or a martyr.I think her motivation and intentions have always been in line with what she believes is best for the club - her vision of the club that is, which is clearly not a vision shared by a lot of the fans. That''s hardly an unusual situation though, in fact its the norm for many clubs.But she is a genuine owner/supporter which is pretty unusual nowadays, but one which I personally would prefer to some overseas ''investor'' with no connection to the club other than a desire to wash some of their dirty money through the UK financial system. I get the impression I''m in a steadily diminishing minority on that one but it doesn''t really matter either way because its not our call, nor will it ever be unless we could somehow move to a position where the supporters owned a really serious chunk of the shares. But despite the level of our support it has never looked as though we could raise anywhere close to the kind of cash needed to make that fly.[/quote][Y]Agree with most of thatbut does it have to be dirty money?perhaps some Chinese billionaire might just take a liking to our colours.after all, to the Chinese yellow is a lucky colour[:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted December 24, 2017 Rod Liddle is a well paid troll nowadays. I wouldn''t take him too seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,345 Posted December 24, 2017 [quote user="Herman"]Rod Liddle is a well paid troll nowadays. I wouldn''t take him too seriously.[/quote]Are there any poorly paid trolls? I''d happily take it on for the price of a Peroni.[B][Y] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted December 24, 2017 There''s a lot that do it for free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted December 24, 2017 I suspect he supports 1p5wich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,722 Posted December 24, 2017 [quote user="Highland Canary"]I suspect he supports 1p5wich.[/quote]Wiki has him as a Millwall fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,345 Posted December 24, 2017 [quote user="Herman"]There''s a lot that do it for free.[/quote]A preponderance on one thread unfortunately[:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coneys Knee 941 Posted December 24, 2017 Creative midfielder.......... "I''ve never heard Delia say anything to suggest she regards herself as either a hero or a martyr."Perhaps I wasn''t very clear, but, I never once said or meant this of delia herself, but it does seem rather strange that as soon as delia receives fan criticism that some journalist or two or three always seems to pop out of the woodwork shortly afterwards to trot out the same "we should all be grateful to and revere the amazing delia" lines. Coincidence? Maybe, journalists looking for a bite? Most probably. Boring, irritating and biased - definitely! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey dangler 0 Posted December 25, 2017 It was Geoffrey Watling RIP. who saved the club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich T The Biscuit 562 Posted December 26, 2017 Agree, she helped out with investment and it was much needed.It’s what has happened since that means it’s time for her to move on, it’s not all about Delia as a person as I’m sure she does have the best intentions but she doesn’t have enough cash to move us forward.Let’s also not forget, all of the money she’s invested has been paid back as it was a loan and therefore she owns the club but is actually not financially at risk.The ONLY way for her to finally get the message is for fans to not renew and stay away, I suspect there are no longer a lot in the waiting list for season tickets.I’ve been a fan for 40yrs, grew up around the players in the 70’s and been a season ticket for the last 15 or so years, this is the first time I’m really doubting the want to renew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yorkshire Canary 118 Posted December 26, 2017 I am not keen on unknown foreign investors with unknown motives and antecedents. That said I have well and truly had enough of the current set up. The pl money has been squandered but we have to look forward. The changes in the championship mean that we will struggle to maintain ourselves in the top half of that division without investment or profits on player acquisitions. The only thing certain about this board is that they make far moor poor decisions than good they have done for a long time and cannot change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,554 Posted December 26, 2017 [quote user="Rich T The Biscuit"]Agree, she helped out with investment and it was much needed.It’s what has happened since that means it’s time for her to move on, it’s not all about Delia as a person as I’m sure she does have the best intentions but she doesn’t have enough cash to move us forward.Let’s also not forget, all of the money she’s invested has been paid back as it was a loan and therefore she owns the club but is actually not financially at risk.The ONLY way for her to finally get the message is for fans to not renew and stay away, I suspect there are no longer a lot in the waiting list for season tickets.I’ve been a fan for 40yrs, grew up around the players in the 70’s and been a season ticket for the last 15 or so years, this is the first time I’m really doubting the want to renew.[/quote]She has not been paid back for the money she invested in shares, which is almost certainly a larger amount than she invested by way of loans. And under the succession plan, as currently arranged, of gifting the shares to the nephew, she will not get that money back. Whereas selling out to an investor would pretty much be bound to at least recoup her investment, and probably more more than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,405 Posted December 26, 2017 Without wishing to cast aspersions on the loyalty of particular fans, I believe that it is in the best interests of all, if fans that cannot tolerate our current difficulties uphold their threat to stop coming to matches. There is likely to be a transitional period when we may not threaten the premier league with our presence and it would imo be better for all if those unable to resist the inane, repetitive moaning stayed away, allowing others to enjoy the game in peace. It would also allow young players, which are likely to be our way forwards to develop their games in the absence of booing and moaning, which will no doubt hold some of them back. From the "other perspective;" if our gates were to fall over time to say 10 to 15,000, the reduction in revenue will mean that our shares are worth less than they currently are. As I repeatedly failed to convince one poster on the Barnsley thread, if the price of the club goes down, the potential return is greater to investors who just look at their return on their investment. Personally, I am strongly opposed to investors, who wish to take money out of the club, though would welcome a benefactor willing to give the club money without expectation of its return. However, those that favour "investment" should understand that further decline makes their desired outcome more likely - although I prefer to believe that the current regime will hold firm to their pledge of a self-financed community club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites