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Rich T The Biscuit

Renew or not renew, that is the question

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There is no point in coming on here and moaning about the owners and the state of the club and then renew. The only message they will understand is supporters not renewing.

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Ground swell of support for the owners and BOD, is that a wind up? Don''t think I''ve ever disliked them so much as now and the reaction from the Brentford defeat from the fans summed that up. With much more to come should we lose our next 2 league games.

But I''ll be renewing I would imagine, but purely for the social aspect of matchday. The beer, the banter, the bad language, the occasional thrills and excitement, can''t get that anywhere else, not all at once anyway!

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I have to disagree, the support for Delia is still there IMO, there is a bond which has yet to be broken. It gets weaker that’s for sure and the sale of exciting players like Pritchard, the Times article, nepotism etc all make things worse but it’s still there from my perspective.

Yes we had some Delia Out chants the other week, I have to say that from where I was sitting, near the snake pit, there was a great reluctance to join in.

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Having been attending pretty much every home game for 45 years I made the decision not to renew last year and haven''t missed going at all. Much was probably due to me feeling that the club needed new owners and a completely new direction but now I''ve broken the habit even if we were to get new owners I''m not sure whether I''d go to games on a regular basis anymore.

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Not renewing x2I have better things to do than to watch the dross that is served up by our cook for too long.That is unless Delia and Co clear off.Championship now requires more money than ever from owners.

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That’s a valid point JF.

Whilst people turn out in their thousands there’s no real news for Delia to panic in to doing anything so by people not renewing maybe she might start to see the obvious.

This is not specifically about ‘Delia’ more the lack of the club moving forward, we all mock that lot down the road but we’re heading the same way.

Football now needs investment just to standstill and unfortunately she doesn’t have that kind of money.

I’d just like some insight into the long term plan as before to long we’ll have no saleable assets left to pay the bills and then where do we end up?

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[quote user="Rich T The Biscuit"]That’s a valid point JF.

Whilst people turn out in their thousands there’s no real news for Delia to panic in to doing anything so by people not renewing maybe she might start to see the obvious.

This is not specifically about ‘Delia’ more the lack of the club moving forward, we all mock that lot down the road but we’re heading the same way.

Football now needs investment just to standstill and unfortunately she doesn’t have that kind of money.

I’d just like some insight into the long term plan as before to long we’ll have no saleable assets left to pay the bills and then where do we end up?
[/quote]I think the long-term plan has been pretty much indicated. Once the very painful adjustment has been made to living in a post-parachute-payment world the club aims to run on a sustainable self-funded (ie from income  generated as opposed to investment cash) model. Which will crucially include, as the club has always done, finding young talent from below us in the football pyramid and/or abroad, and youth products, having them for a season or two, and selling them on at a profit.With the hope that this model will generally keep the club in the Championship, with the occasional season in League One and the occasional chance of getting to the Premier League.

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The ''Delia Out'' calls v Brentford came from a vocal minority. Everyone was disappointed with the performance and result that night, but there wasn''t 15-16,000 people chanting. I''d suggest about that many will renew, whatever the circumstances.

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They probably will Woodman if not more but if you are right and it were around that figure that would be a 25% drop in season ticket holders which would be very significant.

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Fair point - that''s a £2.5m drop in income (based on £500 for a ticket). Anyone know how many ST holders we currently have?

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I''ll be renewing - I''m sure most will. There will always be a vocal minority who find reason for not doing so and they are perfectly entitled to their choice - it is their money! In time, they will either come back, when times get better, or others will replace them - it is the way of the world.

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[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="hogesar"]I''ll renew. 
Because I''m a Norwich fan.
[/quote]

Numpty.[/quote]
What? For being a Norwich fan?
Beats Reading....

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[quote user="Rich T The Biscuit"]Not trying to be controversial but looking for views about people’s view around renewing season tickets.

I’ve lived and breathed NCFC pretty much since I was born, I grew around players in the 70’s as my dad was good friend of Kevin Keelan so I’m certainly not a plastic, I didn’t go much in the 90’s as I played but I’ve had a season ticket now for around 15 years.

Every year I’ve felt enough inside me to want to renew, this renewal I’m really not sure and I didn’t feel that way during the L1 problems.

My biggest question mark is that I can’t see us going anywhere other than backwards now, money is key, the gap between the Premier League and also rans is getting bigger and we are now selling our best players to clubs that we really should be competing with but we are slipping further and further behind.

I’m sure I’ll get the usual calling me a pant wetter etc etc etc but I’m actually looking for some sort of meaningful debate on it (if that’s possible on here)?![/quote]

This could have been me talking. I was first taken to a game by my father in 1963. I played regularly for more than 15 years from 1971 to 1986 but still managed to get to games whenever possible. My son and I have had season tickets in the Upper Barclay for the last 15 years. My wife and I are shareholders. My grandson, who is two years old, is on the season ticker waiting list, ready to become a fifth generation supporter. Yet, it is very likely that our season tickets will be renewed. This season has, in my view, has been disastrous with almost no entertainment value. The whole ethos is misguided. Football is basically a simple game and you win by getting more goals than the opposition. Our priority seems to be to keep possession at all costs, mainly to prevent the opposition from scoring. In effect, what we are seeing is boring and, to be honest, I can quite easily be bored more cheaply than I have been this season. looking at the wider picture, the major problem is the majority shareholders. I fully acknowledge the fantastic job they have done over the years but football has changed. They are getting older and it is time to sell. They haven''t been prepared to do so but now is the time before it is too late. There really are people out there who would be prepared to buy.

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Like many others I have had a season ticket for a long time and have had no hesitation in renewing in the past. There have been many highs and a few lows over the years, but generally I have been proud to be a season ticket holder and support my home club. This year I have found it difficult to motivate myself to do the 360 mile round trip for home games.

I currently enjoy playing golf with good friends and yearly membership of my local golf club is equivalent to the cost of a season ticket plus travelling expenses; and for me that option seems more appealing.

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[quote user="Webbo118"][quote user="Rich T The Biscuit"]Not trying to be controversial but looking for views about people’s view around renewing season tickets.

I’ve lived and breathed NCFC pretty much since I was born, I grew around players in the 70’s as my dad was good friend of Kevin Keelan so I’m certainly not a plastic, I didn’t go much in the 90’s as I played but I’ve had a season ticket now for around 15 years.

Every year I’ve felt enough inside me to want to renew, this renewal I’m really not sure and I didn’t feel that way during the L1 problems.

My biggest question mark is that I can’t see us going anywhere other than backwards now, money is key, the gap between the Premier League and also rans is getting bigger and we are now selling our best players to clubs that we really should be competing with but we are slipping further and further behind.

I’m sure I’ll get the usual calling me a pant wetter etc etc etc but I’m actually looking for some sort of meaningful debate on it (if that’s possible on here)?![/quote]

This could have been me talking. I was first taken to a game by my father in 1963. I played regularly for more than 15 years from 1971 to 1986 but still managed to get to games whenever possible. My son and I have had season tickets in the Upper Barclay for the last 15 years. My wife and I are shareholders. My grandson, who is two years old, is on the season ticker waiting list, ready to become a fifth generation supporter. Yet, it is very likely that our season tickets will be renewed. This season has, in my view, has been disastrous with almost no entertainment value. The whole ethos is misguided. Football is basically a simple game and you win by getting more goals than the opposition. Our priority seems to be to keep possession at all costs, mainly to prevent the opposition from scoring. In effect, what we are seeing is boring and, to be honest, I can quite easily be bored more cheaply than I have been this season. looking at the wider picture, the major problem is the majority shareholders. I fully acknowledge the fantastic job they have done over the years but football has changed. They are getting older and it is time to sell. They haven''t been prepared to do so but now is the time before it is too late. There really are people out there who would be prepared to buy.[/quote]

** very likely that the season tickets will NOT be renewed

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[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="hogesar"]I''ll renew. 
Because I''m a Norwich fan.
[/quote]

Numpty.[/quote]
What? For being a Norwich fan?
Beats Reading....
[/quote]

For suggesting people not prepared to renew are not true fans.

Basically, just the same old self righteous rubbish most have come to expect from you.

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[quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="Stone"]Casual match day tickets are now readily available, so if you miss more than 2 or 3 games a season there''s not a lot of point in keeping a season ticket on... that seems to be the situation some people (myself included) find themselves in now. When I cant make a game I struggle to GIVE the ticket away.[/quote]Sadly that seems to be the status quo among my friendship group too. It really isn''t the hottest ticket in town right now.[/quote]

When I go to see my team play, I want to be excited. I want to see attacking football with the team trying to score more goals than the opposition. I don''t want to see one striker, isolated, standing alone and repeatedly scratching various parts of his anatomy in an effort to stay awake. I don''t want to go to a cup game only to find that we are not playing a striker in an obvious attempt to reinforce our new name of Norwich City Nil. I don''t want to see my team take a free kick twenty yards outside the opposition area and then four passes later find the ball back with our goalkeeper. This type of football may be normal and acceptable in the German 4th division. To me and my 54 years supporting Norwich, it most certainly is not.

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[quote user="hampton canary"]Like many others I have had a season ticket for a long time and have had no hesitation in renewing in the past. There have been many highs and a few lows over the years, but generally I have been proud to be a season ticket holder and support my home club. This year I have found it difficult to motivate myself to do the 360 mile round trip for home games.

I currently enjoy playing golf with good friends and yearly membership of my local golf club is equivalent to the cost of a season ticket plus travelling expenses; and for me that option seems more appealing.[/quote]

A round trip of 360 miles?? You deserve a medal! I am struggling to justify a round trip of 50 miles. I too have the "golf dilemma" but have solved it in previous years by playing Saturday mornings between 8.00 and 13.00 before going to the game. I think it may well be far easier going to the 19th hole in future!

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I took advantage of buying three seasons at the going rate when in the PL, before the rot set in hence renewal this year is not in the equation. I can understand where the non-renewal voices come from but I would just ask you to mull over this couple of points. When Webber came in he stated it would take two or three transfer windows to get the club where he wanted it to be and we are in window two. It has been mentioned we will become a selling club but if memory serves me right that was the model in the days gone by from the old First Division into the newly formed Premier League, we always sold at least one talented player everyone said we could not do without - likes of Sutton, Fox, Fleck, Drinkell etc. For me the jury is still out and I will watch how we fare for the remainder of the season and give the Webber/Farke model until this time next year before deciding if it is working or not.

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Pretty certain I’m not going to renew, I can get tickets anytime as there’s always loads still available barring the Ipswich game

I’ll just buy tickets when I want to go. Absolutely hate the football we’re playing and farke dull approach in general so why bother? I’d rather stay in the pub I enjoy pre match far more than the games this season

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[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="hogesar"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="hogesar"]I''ll renew. 
Because I''m a Norwich fan.
[/quote]

Numpty.[/quote]
What? For being a Norwich fan?
Beats Reading....
[/quote]

For suggesting people not prepared to renew are not true fans.

Basically, just the same old self righteous rubbish most have come to expect from you.[/quote]
Where did I suggest people not renewing aren''t true fans? Are you simply making things up.....yet again?

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I have zero regrets ditching mine this year, I’ve been to four games at home no issues with getting tickets, but it’s more of a pleasure to catch the odd game.

I’ve been to a few local games closer to home too Lowestoft and Beccles too, interesting to see just how good watching guys play with passion and enthusiasm notjust for money and ego.

Each will have an opinion but mine was down to cost v enjoyment, it’s been a chore for me the last couple years so that was it for me.

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Been a good debate......

For me it’s just the lack of anything exciting, some games I get more entertainment from watching the ongoings in the crowd than I do the game, it’s dull and predictable and it’s an expensive hobby, people watching.

It’s not even like I can play how many times does RM give the ball away needlessly and then blame someone else game anymore as they took that away from me by dropping the guy and never playing him again 😂

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[quote user="Webbo118"][quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="Stone"]Casual match day tickets are now readily available, so if you miss more than 2 or 3 games a season there''s not a lot of point in keeping a season ticket on... that seems to be the situation some people (myself included) find themselves in now. When I cant make a game I struggle to GIVE the ticket away.[/quote]Sadly that seems to be the status quo among my friendship group too. It really isn''t the hottest ticket in town right now.[/quote]

When I go to see my team play, I want to be excited. I want to see attacking football with the team trying to score more goals than the opposition. I don''t want to see one striker, isolated, standing alone and repeatedly scratching various parts of his anatomy in an effort to stay awake. I don''t want to go to a cup game only to find that we are not playing a striker in an obvious attempt to reinforce our new name of Norwich City Nil. I don''t want to see my team take a free kick twenty yards outside the opposition area and then four passes later find the ball back with our goalkeeper. This type of football may be normal and acceptable in the German 4th division. To me and my 54 years supporting Norwich, it most certainly is not.[/quote]

Good post.

You must have loved last season.

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[quote user="Van wink"]There is still a significant groundswell of support for Delia and Michael and rightly so. There is a relationship between them and the fans which is a great credit to them and the club. That closeness will not exist with young Tom.[/quote]

Nonsense. Everyone hates the Suffolk Socialists. Some of us starting hating them as long ago as 1998 when they had the chance to appoint Bruce or Warnock, but went for Rioch instead.

For me, the writing was on the wall in 2005 and I stopped renewing at that point.

Anyone who puts money in the way of the SS henceforth seriously needs to consider seeing a shrink.

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[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="Van wink"]There is still a significant groundswell of support for Delia and Michael and rightly so. There is a relationship between them and the fans which is a great credit to them and the club. That closeness will not exist with young Tom.[/quote]

Nonsense. Everyone hates the Suffolk Socialists. Some of us starting hating them as long ago as 1998 when they had the chance to appoint Bruce or Warnock, but went for Rioch instead.

For me, the writing was on the wall in 2005 and I stopped renewing at that point.

Anyone who puts money in the way of the SS henceforth seriously needs to consider seeing a shrink.
[/quote]So you haven''t been to a game at Carrow Road since 2005?

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Spot on Webbo. In general it has been spoilt by Sky in that the game it is now run purely for their benefit. Complete over kill with there being a TV game nearly every day for the past fortnight. I have watched most of these games including our match v Chelsea and they have all been pretty boring and predictable. People need to be entertained and this is generally lacking these days. So far as the Canaries are concerned this is probably the least exciting team I have ever seen. When you go in to a home cup tie without a striker it sums it all up in a nutshell. As to renewal I am very much in border line territory.

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[quote user="Woodman"]Asking fans to pay for Colney''s refit won''t go down well, when they''re receiving £x million for players. I''d be happy for a proportion of the Pritchard fee to go towards that.

I''ll renew, this it the first season my son has had a season ticket with me - and its been a tough induction, but why shouldn''t he suffer like I have![/quote]Spounds like a child protection issue here.Expect a 3am visit from social services anytime soon. [;)][:D]

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