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Man of the match for Lincolns win today!! Why oh why did we sign him and let him go again until Jan 18!

On another note, Dallas is on the bench for Leeds so I don''t think he is on his way here.

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As been said before why sign players and let them go out on loan Raggart must be better than what we have got at moment at least he knows the English leagues

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So it''s quite likely he''ll look like a german 4th division player.[:^)]
Give him a chance! Give them all a chance. These were the type of players many of you were advocating we should sign last season. 

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Hairy Canary wrote the following post at 26/08/2017 9:04 PM:

Agree Nutty. Some of these lads could take quite a while before they get to the standard we all want.

Alternatively if we give them a while then the club will drop to a standard more suited to them

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Afraid that is also possible JF. That is the unpalatable position we are in at the moment. I think you''d have to have your head in the sand to not see that relegation is a distinct possibility if we don''t improve.

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What is all the fuss about? NCFC unloaded deadwood players, the same players who failed to keep us in the premiership or mount a decent promotion challenge under AN last season. Many supporters called for change, and got it with the new regime. It had to happen, what we had was unsustainable. It was always obvious that several new players would be brought into the club. Most of these players, be it Zimmerman and Franke from Germany, Raggett from Lincoln, even our home grown talent, are young. They have much to learn at this level, but learn they will. If you got rid of Farke now, what would change. Absolutely nothing. We would still have a young playing squad, just a different coach trying to teach the same things. Far too many of you want instant success. That is not going to happen at all. But we have a team for the future, who will gel, and become a very good side. If you want different, go watch M. citeh or Utd, or Chelsea who buy their way to titles. We cannot afford to do that, but we can do the next best thing, which is to build a side to take us forward. Rome was not built in a day, our time will come, it may not be this season or next, but it will come.

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[quote user="City 2nd"]What is all the fuss about? NCFC unloaded deadwood players, the same players who failed to keep us in the premiership or mount a decent promotion challenge under AN last season. Many supporters called for change, and got it with the new regime. It had to happen, what we had was unsustainable. It was always obvious that several new players would be brought into the club. Most of these players, be it Zimmerman and Franke from Germany, Raggett from Lincoln, even our home grown talent, are young. They have much to learn at this level, but learn they will. If you got rid of Farke now, what would change. Absolutely nothing. We would still have a young playing squad, just a different coach trying to teach the same things. Far too many of you want instant success. That is not going to happen at all. But we have a team for the future, who will gel, and become a very good side. If you want different, go watch M. citeh or Utd, or Chelsea who buy their way to titles. We cannot afford to do that, but we can do the next best thing, which is to build a side to take us forward. Rome was not built in a day, our time will come, it may not be this season or next, but it will come.[/quote]That''s a cracking post City 2nd, and one I fully agree with.Doesn''t matter what style of play we adopt, if it''s not getting the instant results, the knives come out and ''fans'' start banging on about wanting us to play differently.When it was Hughton it was boring, defensive dross and thus the demand was for attacking football.Adams was appointed and gave us more of the attacking stuff, but wasn''t in the top 2 and thus got moved on for AN.AN gave us the bigger extreme of attacking football with little defensive focus, this then got slated and the board have now gone for something even more revolutionary in a long term setup, yet because we''re not top 6 in the first handful of games, the knives are out again, this time demanding ''defensive steel'' and ''championship fight'', so back more towards a Hughton approach then...It took Wagner at Huddersfield much longer than 5 games to get them where they are, it took Rijkaard much longer than 5 games to turn Barca around as well, but apparently we can''t give our setup the same time to develop and improve.So sick of the pathetic impatience of our fans, yes, we''ve had some poor games so far, but it''s VERY early doors, and being fair, it''s where we are at the end of the season rather than in the first month that counts, and this level of negativity and booing from the crowd at this stage is nothing but counter-productive and could force a self-fulfilling prophecy if it continues...

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@ Indy_BonesSo sick of the pathetic impatience of our fans, yes, we''ve had some poor

games so far, but it''s VERY early doors, and being fair, it''s where we

are at the end of the season rather than in the first month that counts,

and this level of negativity and booing from the crowd at this stage is

nothing but counter-productive and could force a self-fulfilling

prophecy if it continues...Couldnt agree more! Patience is a virtue, not displayed by a good few of our fans.

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Because we aren''t in the top 6?

We are nowhere near that, but people could accept that if they saw SOMETHING. But there is nothing. We are worse at the back than last season, not as good going forward. You could argue that all we needed was a better defence as we were fine going forward. As it stands we will be in a relegation fight - you can try to suggest otherwise, but have you really seen anything to suggest otherwise?

Look at the teams we have lost to. Millwall, Sunderland and Villa have all only won 1 game each. It''s ''along came Norwich'' every week. But we haven''t been unlucky in those games, we have shipped 11 goals against teams who so far haven''t beat anybody else

You can say players need to gel, but they also need to have some form of quality and to be able to get to grips with the Championship. They look a million miles away at the minute

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PATIENCE!?.......If we were vultures supporting this club, we''d all end up dying of starvation!.......FACTY! FACTY! FACTY!>>>>>>>>FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCT!.......Yes soiree!

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[quote user="City 2nd"]What is all the fuss about? NCFC unloaded deadwood players, the same players who failed to keep us in the premiership or mount a decent promotion challenge under AN last season. Many supporters called for change, and got it with the new regime. It had to happen, what we had was unsustainable. It was always obvious that several new players would be brought into the club. Most of these players, be it Zimmerman and Franke from Germany, Raggett from Lincoln, even our home grown talent, are young. They have much to learn at this level, but learn they will. If you got rid of Farke now, what would change. Absolutely nothing. We would still have a young playing squad, just a different coach trying to teach the same things. Far too many of you want instant success. That is not going to happen at all. But we have a team for the future, who will gel, and become a very good side. If you want different, go watch M. citeh or Utd, or Chelsea who buy their way to titles. We cannot afford to do that, but we can do the next best thing, which is to build a side to take us forward. Rome was not built in a day, our time will come, it may not be this season or next, but it will come.[/quote]Don''t we normally dissagree? Pretty much spot on with that post.

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I do agree with most of that IB, but shipping four goals twice is concerning regardless of how long the players have had together or whether the manager is new to the league or not.

Even Farke described the defending yesterday as horrible. Losing by the odd goal away is understandable, conceding four to newly promoted Millwall isn''t.

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Patience is fine as long as you can see improvement. Unfortunately I don''t think Franke, Zimmerman and Husband will ever be good enough at this level. It doesn''t really matter about this new philosophy of formations either, if the players aren''t good enough we will struggle every week.

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City 2nd has got it right, however, to keep the fans on board with that we cant lose that heavily to newly promoted teams in this league. Thats inexcusable irrespective of the new regime.

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