A Catalogue of Failings

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="Rogue Baboon"]Would you be happy lower end of the Championship/top end of League One if it meant ''maintaining the character of the club'' and we were a ''self-financing business, protected by a Trust''

That''s the route we are taking, because more and more Championship teams are getting taken over, the teams coming down are getting more & more money, all of which means we just cannot compete financially.

And if we want to go down the route of developing players & selling on, surely that is self defeating if your business model requires you to continually sell your best players?[/quote]

No, I wouldn''t be happy with lower end top of League 1 status. I just don''t think that will happen. Rich clubs in the championship are buying players at stupid money that aren''t really much better than other players that are available - and Villa did us over last week, not because of expensve players they have bought, but by youngsters. As to selling on players, we have always done that - quite well a lot of the time - and imo it is vastly preferable to be selling on players that you have developed into valuable commodities, than buying expensive players in the first place, watching them fail and then trying to get rid of them.

[Feedthewolf 4,844]

[quote user="Captain Birdseye"]Vince do you have a fan club?[/quote]Yeah, it''s you.

[Mr Apples 1,317]

I''m sure the good Captain and Big Vince could meet up for a romantic scampi dinner?Apples

[Herman 9,716]

[quote user="Mr Apples"]I''m sure the good Captain and Big Vince could meet up for a romantic scampi dinner?Apples[/quote]This image popped into my head for some reason.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Big Vince"]But no one on the Board puts any of their own money in and they refuse to step aside to let someone else have a go.[/quote]

When are people like you going to realise that it is not about money - it is about maintaining the character of the club rather than risk losing it''s identity to a speculator.   It''s not just about the first person who invests, but further down the line - who he passes it on to once he has had enough.  What the Delia detractors don''t get is that passing the club on in the shape of a trust is safeguarding the club in the long term. Howling about lack of investment is pointless when the future of the club is to be as a self-financing business, protected by a Trust.  Pointless.

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If most supporters are like this then there is no hope for the club at all.

Supporters get the board they deserve springs to mind.

Of course professional football is all about money. If you don''t get that as a fundamental then you are as deluded as Delia & Wynnie and you should be looking after a Sunday league outfit instead of a professional club.

[Mello Yello 2,281]

Morty an'' Dunc, 2 of the local Nelsonette MCC Chapter......"BORN TO BE FRIED!" ''Vroom Vroom!''....''Splutter.....splutter......groan.......''BANG!''

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="TIL 1010"] the employment of a sporting director who has

had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his

promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and

insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from

the football club.What on earth are you on about ?[/quote]Obviously no chance of an answer then ?[/quote]

If you were at the pre-season forum, did you not listen to the things the boy Webber was coming out with?

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]I seem to remember the late Jack Walker leaving £200 million in a trust to safeguard Blackburn Rovers and we all know what happened to them.[/quote]

What about the guy who transformed Bournemouth?

What about the Italians who transformed Watford?

What about the Huddersfield owner?

Stoke & Southampton & WBA?

Are they all bad people who''ve done a lousy job?

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="Captain Birdseye"]Vince do you have a fan club?[/quote]

Not that I am aware of.

I just want Delia & Wynnie to go okay.

Enough stupidity is enough stupidity.

[Mello Yello 2,281]

Durnt loike chaaaaaange!

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="Big Vince"] I just want Delia & Wynnie to go okay. [/quote]When are you going to accept how things are and that you can''t change them?  The club is going to be in Trust and that is it.  The club is going to be self-financing and that is it. Wanting something you can''t have will just make you unhappy.

[Mello Yello 2,281]

Like Brexit?

[TIL 1010 4,722]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="TIL 1010"] the employment of a sporting director who has

had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his

promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and

insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from

the football club.What on earth are you on about ?[/quote]Obviously no chance of an answer then ?[/quote]

If you were at the pre-season forum, did you not listen to the things the boy Webber was coming out with?[/quote]Yes i was and he did not say what you have alleged.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="TIL 1010"] the employment of a sporting director who has

had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his

promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and

insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from

the football club.What on earth are you on about ?[/quote]Obviously no chance of an answer then ?[/quote]

If you were at the pre-season forum, did you not listen to the things the boy Webber was coming out with?[/quote]Yes i was and he did not say what you have alleged.[/quote]

Obviously clappy happers have selective hearing when they attend fans'' fora.

This is no allegation. I was there and he said what he said and if there is any transcript of the night''s proceedings this will confirm it.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Big Vince"] I just want Delia & Wynnie to go okay. [/quote]When are you going to accept how things are and that you can''t change them?  The club is going to be in Trust and that is it.  The club is going to be self-financing and that is it. Wanting something you can''t have will just make you unhappy.

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You are assuming that Delia & Wynnie cannot be forced out.

There are mechanisms for doing so:

A sustained campaign of protest inside and outside the ground.

An EGM organised by shareholders followed by vote of no confidence.

I cannot believe that the way forward for the club is the one that you have sketched out. This would condemn the club to a permanent stay outside the top two divisions and would simply not be acceptable to a fan base of around 40,000 (as determined by NCFC''s own database).

[Feedthewolf 4,844]

Vincenzo, you''re wasting your life.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="Feedthewolf"]Vincenzo, you''re wasting your life.[/quote]

Brainwashed by Delia.

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="Big Vince"]

You are assuming that Delia & Wynnie cannot be forced out.

There are mechanisms for doing so:

A sustained campaign of protest inside and outside the ground.

An EGM organised by shareholders followed by vote of no confidence.

I cannot believe that the way forward for the club is the one that you have sketched out. This would condemn the club to a permanent stay outside the top two divisions and would simply not be acceptable to a fan base of around 40,000 (as determined by NCFC''s own database).[/quote]Has history taught you nothing. These are the same methods that people thought would get Robert Chase forced out and they didn''t make any difference. Someone he wanted to sell his shares to had to buy his shares to get rid off him.Unless you find someone who DS & MWJ want to sell their shares to then you''re cause id doomed to fail.Your last sentence is a load of old squit.

[Feedthewolf 4,844]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="Feedthewolf"]Vincenzo, you''re wasting your life.[/quote]

Brainwashed by Delia.[/quote]Nah, just not brainwashed by your empty rhetoric. Grow up.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TCCANARY"][quote user="Big Vince"]

You are assuming that Delia & Wynnie cannot be forced out.

There are mechanisms for doing so:

A sustained campaign of protest inside and outside the ground.

An EGM organised by shareholders followed by vote of no confidence.

I cannot believe that the way forward for the club is the one that you have sketched out. This would condemn the club to a permanent stay outside the top two divisions and would simply not be acceptable to a fan base of around 40,000 (as determined by NCFC''s own database).[/quote]Has history taught you nothing. These are the same methods that people thought would get Robert Chase forced out and they didn''t make any difference. Someone he wanted to sell his shares to had to buy his shares to get rid off him.Unless you find someone who DS & MWJ want to sell their shares to then you''re cause id doomed to fail.Your last sentence is a load of old squit.

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Sorry, incorrect interpretation of history.

Watling offered to buy Chase''s share BECAUSE all the protests inside and outside the ground were tearing the club apart. People were going about in the dead of night smashing all the windows around the ground.

NCFC''s self-funding model will mean that it cannot afford the quality of player that is required in either of the top two divisions. The Championship is becoming more and more EPL 2 with every passing season, especially as more foreigners buy into it as they see it as a springboard to the gravy train EPL 1.

[TIL 1010 4,722]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="TIL 1010"] the employment of a sporting director who has

had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his

promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and

insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from

the football club.What on earth are you on about ?[/quote]Obviously no chance of an answer then ?[/quote]

If you were at the pre-season forum, did you not listen to the things the boy Webber was coming out with?[/quote]Yes i was and he did not say what you have alleged.[/quote]

Obviously clappy happers have selective hearing when they attend fans'' fora.

This is no allegation. I was there and he said what he said and if there is any transcript of the night''s proceedings this will confirm it.[/quote]I call bull. All rather strange that numerous posters who were there that night and a few who i have spoken to since make no mention of it. I think such insults and use of expletives of any sort would have caused a ripple around the room and a degree of bum shuffling on seats. I mean hey speak to the fans at your first public appearance and throw in a little bit of swearing and knock the region you have just moved into would have gone down a storm obviously.Tell you what just spell out what he said so we can all hear it from the only person who appears to have heard it. I find it strange that you did not mention this around the time as it surely merits one of your numerous threads knocking anything and everything Norwich City.By the way you obviously do not know me if you think i am a happy clapper.

[TIL 1010 4,722]

The EGM was held at St Andrews Hall and attended by approx 450 shareholders. Chase lost the vote on a show of hands 150 to 100 with 250 sitting on their hands ( These are approximate figures ). He was saved by a count of actual shareholding and obviously his numbers plus that of his supporters was more than those of the 150 or so who voted on the show of hands.You can do whatever you like as far as EGM''s and Delia are concerned but as she and MWJ hold over 60% a massive show of hands to oust her will be fruitless.

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="TIL 1010"] the employment of a sporting director who has

had nearly as many clubs as the boy Nicklaus, does not keep to his

promises, uses mild expletives at the pre-season forum, is common and

insults the city of Norwich by saying there is nothing here apart from

the football club.What on earth are you on about ?[/quote]Obviously no chance of an answer then ?[/quote]

If you were at the pre-season forum, did you not listen to the things the boy Webber was coming out with?[/quote]Yes i was and he did not say what you have alleged.[/quote]

Obviously clappy happers have selective hearing when they attend fans'' fora.

This is no allegation. I was there and he said what he said and if there is any transcript of the night''s proceedings this will confirm it.[/quote]I call bull. All rather strange that numerous posters who were there that night and a few who i have spoken to since make no mention of it. I think such insults and use of expletives of any sort would have caused a ripple around the room and a degree of bum shuffling on seats. I mean hey speak to the fans at your first public appearance and throw in a little bit of swearing and knock the region you have just moved into would have gone down a storm obviously.Tell you what just spell out what he said so we can all hear it from the only person who appears to have heard it. I find it strange that you did not mention this around the time as it surely merits one of your numerous threads knocking anything and everything Norwich City.By the way you obviously do not know me if you think i am a happy clapper.[/quote]

As long as NCFC is owned and run by lifelong socialists who live in Suffolk and make the club underperform year after year, then they are going to get criticised by me, absolutely no doubt about it.

Webber said that when he first arrived at the club he went for a walk around the city and came to the conclusion there was nothing else here apart from the football club. (You will have to get a transcript to ascertain the exact wording and question from the audience.)

Went down like a lead balloon with me, but everyone else found it funny. Must have been a clappy happer audience.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Big Vince"]Went down like a lead balloon with me, but everyone else found it funny. Must have been a clappy happer audience[/quote]Why didn''t you question him then Vinnie, were you scared? Perhaps you''re not as big as you''d have us believe.......

[Essjayess 307]

Vince, i really dont know what this catalogue of failings is all about and why you are so anti Delia and Michael, frankly i dont care. Reality is, despite the highs and lows, the excitements and disapointments, the changes in personel at the club, and everything else, in the last decade including the low period of L1, two things have remained constant, Delia and Michael being at the head, and a club who have fans that fill the stadium season after.season.That, at the end of the day, says all you need to know, that you are in a very small minority. Stop being so miserable, go support your club with a smile on your face, and be thankful Norwich City are who they are. Delia and Michael have made this club something very special, that goes way beyond  financial factors and what division we happen to be in. Take DF and his German staff, and the German players who have come here..they very quickly got immersed into our part of the world and our club. I, and im sure the vast  majority of fans also, have taken all these guys into our hearts as another new chapter in the history of our beloved club.So yes, its more than about finances, more than about what division we are in, for me its more about the uniqueness of NCFC and the social aspect of it all, a definite identity, which Delia and Michael have protected, and indeed nurtured, in the 20 years they''ve been at the helm. No amount of money could have bought that.

[Captain Birdseye 0]

Vince you keep going son don''t listen to these happy clappers, inner circle apologised and binners

[Mello Yello 2,281]

Vince certainly stimulates ''debate''.......reels ''em in quicker than a Russian stern trawler.......

[Old Shuck 183]

In one Mello. He''ll argue the earth is flat on here before long-and be able to prove it.

[A Load of Squit 5,131]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]In one Mello. He''ll argue the earth is flat on here before long-and be able to prove it.[/quote]Obviously, the boy God made it flat.

[Old Shuck 183]

The problem with God though will be he can''t adequately run a 21st century earth but, despite that, is unwilling to even entertain talks about a possible financial injection through a takeover from a go getting and progressive deity in the far east of the known Universe...