Will Delia still vote Labour?

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="lappinitup"]Yep. Let''s get back to Norwich City and the effect this would have on the club if Labour win the election and then made this ruling. Can you imagine the delicious irony if the Trust representatives outed Ed Balls? [:S][/quote]I am actually trying quite hard not to imagine that...[:P][/quote]Lol! I missed the "s". [:$]

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="lappinitup"]Yep. Let''s get back to Norwich City and the effect this would have on the club if Labour win the election and then made this ruling. Can you imagine the delicious irony if the Trust representatives outed Ed Balls? [:S][/quote]

Delia will still vote Labour because she and Wynnie are lifelong socialists. Wynnie used to be a reporter at The Mirror so that says it all.

Secondly, Labour will not be winning power anytime soon.

Thirdly, I agree the proposal does not go far enough. If the objective is to give fans ultimate power, then you have to follow the German model and give them a controlling interest at 51%.

Anything less than that is just tokenism.

[Ginja 26]

[quote user="lappinitup"]Yep. Let''s get back to Norwich City and the effect this would have on the club if Labour win the election and then made this ruling. Can you imagine the delicious irony if the Trust representatives outed Ed Balls? [:S][/quote]

I think this has been misread but I thought it meant that the trust would have two positions on the board that they have the control to appoint or remove. Not the power remove anyone they fancy.

[Mike 0]

[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Mike "][quote user="paul moy"][quote user="Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB"]Is that the real world where the Tories deliberately underfund the NHS, claim it is failing, privatise it (lining the pockets of their rich chums just like every other privatisation they have overseen) and we all end up having to have expensive health insurance if we want treatment?.......[/quote]Well you could opt instead for the real world of Venezuela !!   If we don''t live within our means that is the worst case scenario, again visited on an unsuspecting population by socialism and leftie unaffordable policies.   [/quote]

You mean we need strong and stable economic policies that allowed the banks and hedge fund managers to run up trillions & trillions of debt, we then bail them out and end up paying for it whilst the city gets an average 15% pay rise last year alone? We can easily pay for more socially moral policies as shown by the Scandanavia economies.

PS Tories governments have borrowed more and increased the national deficit FAR more than labour governments. Not convinced go look it up...[/quote]If you don''t understand why the Tories have borrowed more when an annual deficit has been running for almost a decade, from 160 Billion down to around 50 Billion, then I''m not surprised.  Suffice to say that a Labour government over the same period would obviously have had to borrow much much more as they have been against all commonsense austerity measures at every turn. Here'' a clue .... 160 Billion times 10 years = 1.6 Trillion !!!!

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http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

[Diane 500]

[quote user="Ginja"][quote user="lappinitup"]Yep. Let''s get back to Norwich City and the effect this would have on the club if Labour win the election and then made this ruling. Can you imagine the delicious irony if the Trust representatives outed Ed Balls? [:S][/quote]

I think this has been misread but I thought it meant that the trust would have two positions on the board that they have the control to appoint or remove. Not the power remove anyone they fancy.

[/quote]

Ginja - This is what it said

The plan, which has been drawn up in consultation with 95 football supporters’ organisations, would require supporters to come together to form a single accredited trust in return for the right to:

appoint and remove up to a quarter and not less than two of a football club’s board of directors;

purchase up to 10 per cent of the shares when a club changes ownership, if they so wish.

[Mike 0]

Oh and here is another one for you Paul... http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/conservative-budget-deficits-on-average-theyre-twice-the-size-of-labours

Anyway don,t you stop facts getting in the way of your bias

Otbc

[ricardo 7,348]

[quote user="Mike "]Oh and here is another one for you Paul... http://www.primeeconomics.org/articles/conservative-budget-deficits-on-average-theyre-twice-the-size-of-labours

Anyway don,t you stop facts getting in the way of your bias

Otbc[/quote]Never mind Mike, you can console yourself with the thought that you won''t have to explain away any future Labour deficits for quite a long while.[:D]

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,020]

For the record I am not allied to any particular party, I despise the Tories because I saw what they did to ordinary working people in the 70s and 80s and I will never ever forgive them for that, they were, are and will always will be the nasty party. I cannot stand Corbyn, he is a Marxist rather than a Socialist and I do not trust him. Lib Dems?......meh!!, any party that sells its soul to the devil to get its nose in the trough and renege on its promises can forget it. UKIP...would never vote for a bunch of swivel eyed nazis. Think of me as a disenfranchised individual who prefers to make up his mind on the basis of what he sees going on around him rather than believing the crap spouted by a biased media be it right wing or left wing. The best this country can hope for is that following the election the Tories have a credible and strong opposition to keep them in check......

[FenwayFrank 2,457]

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The biggest problem at the moment is the goriest haven''t got any real opponents

[Darth Canary1 91]

Much in the same way I disregard ipswich town history. I look to the future, what went before is of no consequence I live for the now and I will vote Tory in this election. Sorry purple off topic again

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="Darth Canary1"]Much in the same way I disregard ipswich town history. I look to the future, what went before is of no consequence I live for the now and I will vote Tory in this election. Sorry purple off topic again[/quote]Threads go off topic, and sometimes to good purpose. What I don''t understand is why it seemed a good idea to swamp this thread, which raised a matter of genuine footballing interest, with potential relevance to Norwich City, with another discussion on the general election when that was already being widely debated on the EU thread. Or is it that, despite frequent threads on how and by whom Norwich City should be owned and run few posters have anything sensible to say on the subject?

[Mello Yello 2,281]

Of course Delia will vote Labour.......Although, I''m certainly not......

[Darth Canary1 91]

You are right purple and I apologise

[Midlands Yellow 3,943]

Shame politics shows its head on here again .Thought everyone had ascertained that 4/5 who post are tories with deep hatred for the reds .

[Ginja 26]

[quote user="Midlands Yellow"]Shame politics shows its head on here again .Thought everyone had ascertained that 4/5 who post are tories with deep hatred for the reds .[/quote]

Interesting thought that, interesting in that they have such a passion for voting for the blue team... [;)]

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="Big Vince"][quote user="lappinitup"]Yep. Let''s get back to Norwich City and the effect this would have on the club if Labour win the election and then made this ruling. Can you imagine the delicious irony if the Trust representatives outed Ed Balls? [:S][/quote]

Delia will still vote Labour because she and Wynnie are lifelong socialists. Wynnie used to be a reporter at The Mirror so that says it all.

Secondly, Labour will not be winning power anytime soon.

Thirdly, I agree the proposal does not go far enough. If the objective is to give fans ultimate power, then you have to follow the German model and give them a controlling interest at 51%.

Anything less than that is just tokenism.[/quote]

RB Leipzig have driven a horse & cart through the German model, Red Bull have the power at that club.

[Jerzy Krukowski 5]

[quote user="Mike "]Or the real world where living standards have dropped for the first time since the 1930''s, food banks have risen beyond control, wages have stagnated, basic needs such as Gas, Electric, Travel have increased in cost by a huge amount (despite wages not increasing), the 1% have seen their wealth go up by 15% in a year and it is seen as sensible that our "leaders" say they will use a nuclear weapon first (if Islamic terrorists dream of going to heaven, how is the threat to bomb them back to the stone age a deterrent...oh it isn''t)... that real world?

One nation conservatism does not exist. as the wife cheating idiot Boris said... Greed is good.

Turkeys voting for Xmas springs to mind...[/quote]

This

[Diane 500]

I''m still wondering if Labour''s proposals go ahead how we are going to elect two fans that we could have on the board. Would we vote as we enter the ground, would we vote online, do we know any fans who have the experience to sit on the board and could speak for us all,

Good job it ll never happen lol

[lappinitup 629]

If it ever came to fruition I think there would be opposition by most clubs because running a football club is difficult enough without a couple of outsiders interfering. Let''s face it, if you were to invest several millions into buying a club, you would want to run it your way and not be shackled by people who would have nothing to lose if it all went wrong.

[Diane 500]

Quite agree Lapps, no clubs would agree to that.

[king canary 7,580]

I can''t understand why anyone wouldn''t want fan representatives on the board.

[City 2nd 191]

king canary wrote the following post at 2017-05-19 2:48 AM:

I can''t understand why anyone wouldn''t want fan representatives on the board.

Why? Without fans there is no club, so representation on a board

gives them a voice doesn''t it, and why shouldn''t they be heard, after all, their money, in essence, helps keep that club afloat, at any level.

[City 2nd 191]

City 2nd wrote the following post at 2017-05-19 10:22 AM:

king canary wrote the following post at 2017-05-19 2:48 AM:

I can''t understand why anyone wouldn''t want fan representatives on the board.

Why? Without fans there is no club, so representation on a board

gives them a voice doesn''t it, and why shouldn''t they be heard, after all, their money, in essence, helps keep that club afloat, at any level.

Sorry KC, something went wrong using cut/paste and it picked up your post and put it with mine.

I agree with you entirely.

[FenwayFrank 2,457]

Having fans on the board sounds a good thing, but how many of us on here actually agree on anything ? There would still be plenty of people that wouldn''t agree with decisions made at board level.

[TIL 1010 4,722]

It is not going to happen even if Hell freezes over and Labour win the Election. Who would these fans be,what background amongst the base would they come from and how would they be put forward to sit on the board ?

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]It is not going to happen even if Hell freezes over and Labour win the Election. Who would these fans be,what background amongst the base would they come from and how would they be put forward to sit on the board ?[/quote]As said earlier I don''t for a moment think this will happen but not because of any procedural problems. The questions of who would be possible candidates and how the choice would then be made from a shortlist are perfectly soluble.

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

Soluble? As in dissolved in water? I think Delia requires something a tad stronger.

[TIL 1010 4,722]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="TIL 1010"]It is not going to happen even if Hell freezes over and Labour win the Election. Who would these fans be,what background amongst the base would they come from and how would they be put forward to sit on the board ?[/quote]As said earlier I don''t for a moment think this will happen but not because of any procedural problems. The questions of who would be possible candidates and how the choice would then be made from a shortlist are perfectly soluble.[/quote]Who do you see drawing up this shortlist Purple ?

[lake district canary 4,531]

Just another empty promise from labour, designed to appeal to football supporters.  Popularist policies just to get votes, with zero chance of them happening.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="TIL 1010"]It is not going to happen even if Hell freezes over and Labour win the Election. Who would these fans be,what background amongst the base would they come from and how would they be put forward to sit on the board ?[/quote]As said earlier I don''t for a moment think this will happen but not because of any procedural problems. The questions of who would be possible candidates and how the choice would then be made from a shortlist are perfectly soluble.[/quote]Who do you see drawing up this shortlist Purple ?[/quote]Well me obviously...It wouldn''t be too difficult to find a panel of four or five of the great and the good to sort out the wheat from the chaff. Off the top of my head you would need a financial expert (to see if the candidates had at least a basic understanding of such), an elder statesman connected with the club (Roger Munby might fit that bill or a respected ex-player living locally), a staff representative from the club, someone from the club at a senior level (possibly Steve Stone, in which case you might not need the finance expert) and a representative of the fans - that could be someone from the Canary Trust or Capital Canaries.The voting (on a one person, one vote basis) would probably include all season ticket holders, members of any categories catering for exiles who get mainly to away games, all NCFC staff and all shareholders.