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Wonder if he will stay now, must have come in contact with new coach in Germany, get someone decent beside him should help !

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I too expect him (and Naismith) to leave. Surely the whole point of appointing someone like Farke is to get him (with Webber''s assistance) to build a young and relatively inexpensive side capable of challenging for promotion and staying together and surviving (or thriving) in the Prem.

He might be genius and get us promoted next year, but I think the following season (or the one after that) more likely. Sometimes it takes a while to build something good.

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I just posted in the Naismith thread, and feel similar about Klose. I''d keep him and give the new management a crack first. Klose is a classy player, but his form was poor last year. With Bassong and Bennett going, surely keeping Klose is a sensible option?

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Also don''t forget we''ve let Turner leave as well. That''s a few bodies to fill before we start thinking about replacing what we''ve got left

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There''s clearly going to be a bit of a mix - we can''t just lose all our ''better'' players, and for me we have lost more than enough defenders already so would ideally like to see Klose stay.

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I wonder what the odds are on Martin and Klose being our main central pair at

the back next season.  We will obviously get one or two defenders in,

but if these two stay, they do (imo) have the ability to do well for us

at the back.  The big question is whether the rest of the team is up to

making sure they are not exposed to the ridiculous level they were at

times last season.  As a team last season, our players looked - as a

team - to have no confidence in defending at all and that made our two

central defenders look worse than they would normally be.   The

new coach has stipulated that looking after the ball and keeping

posession is a high priority and if that is done the defence will not be

under so much pressure. In that situation - and with Martin and Klose

both being good passers of the ball - AND if the rest of the team do

their bit in helping keeping the ball and then when needed, defending

pro-actively instead of what we saw for large parts of the season -

re-actively - then, they could both have a very good season for us. 

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Partnered witha physical grant Handley for example could be an interesting commanding combination.

He has something to offer, but like most expect someone like Hamburg to step in

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[quote user="Bagster"]I would like him to stay, young teams still need experienced heads:)[/quote]This ^. Not only because of his experience, but because he, like Naismith, is one of the few in our squad to whom Farke''s approach will not be largely alien. 

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I appreciate what others are saying about experience but both Klose and Naismith are on higher wages than our clearly restricted budget will allow. Given Farke has bought his defensive coach with him any worry about new heads, loan or bought, missing experience will benefit from this. I expect Klose and Naismith to leave just to tighten the outgoings in respect of that latest interview with Webber suggesting we have to sell to buy. I''d rather sell Klose and Naismith (probably at a loss on both) and gain their wages to fund younger talent. Patience is likely key here, for us to develop the talent we''re so obviously keen on over the next 2 seasons.

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[quote user="Branston Pickle"]There''s clearly going to be a bit of a mix - we can''t just lose all our ''better'' players, and for me we have lost more than enough defenders already so would ideally like to see Klose stay.[/quote]As well as Bassong, Bennett, Turner there is Whittaker and possibly Dijks gone.Players like Klose do not simply become ''bad'', and I would be interested to see how he performs with others around in a game more suited to his style.However the bif if is always what other clubs think. If the ''right'' offer came in we must be aware that ANY player can leave, and similarly we cannot just ''cash in'' a player like casino chips, someone else has to want them and at an acceptable price.I would keep.

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I don''t understand why so many people are struggling to understand the high earners have to go.

We want NaiSmith gone and when someone makes an offer he''s gone. Same with Klose & a few others.

Webber wants the wage bill and age of squad down. If your around 30 and one of the high earners there''s a good chance were trying to move them on.

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[quote user="Move Klose"]I don''t understand why so many people are struggling to understand the high earners have to go.

We want NaiSmith gone and when someone makes an offer he''s gone. Same with Klose & a few others.

Webber wants the wage bill and age of squad down. If your around 30 and one of the high earners there''s a good chance were trying to move them on.[/quote]Seems to me that you are struggling to understand that several high earners have already gone and that reducing the wage bill and the average age of the squad doesn''t necessarily mean off-loading every high earner and every senior player. Now that Farke and Reimer have come in, the value to the squad of Naismith and Klose has increased not lessened. 

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That''s about it WCC.

The decisions facing Webber/Farke re: both Klose and Naismith are:

1. Get rid at all costs not worth the wages as not fundamental to the plans.

2. Actively try to keep them on the books as both are likely to make a worthwhile contribution next season.

3. Retain both but accept any reasonable price on the table and use the money for strengthening areas of need in the team.

As we cannot possibly deduce the new manager''s thought processes at this early stage and as he is yet to familiarise himself with his squad, then it has to be a big "don''t know" from me.

Anything could happen. It''s all pros and cons.

Both players have some decent Premier League performances under their belt. We are aiming to become a Premier League side.

Both players were probably over-priced are are likely over-paid.

So far only Martin and Pinto seem certain to be in the defensive starting line-up for next season, with Martin likely a bench warmer. McGovern doesn''t inspire whilst Rudd might be ready to make his mark at last. Ditto Toffolo. We know little of Dijks''s intentions. Efete (?) gets good write-ups. That seems to be all and it''s very thin.

Add to this Tettey''s waning powers and I would therefore expect that Marley Watkins be the first and last "attacking" player brought in this Summer. Maybe add an up and coming from the lowers to back-up in the striking department .... cheap but with sizeable add-ons.

Time for Thompson and Godfrey to step forward along with a couple of rugged and efficient German imports?

The need for continuity seems to favour retaining Klose.

We have an abundance of talent in Naismith''s area.

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"We have an abundance of talent in Naismith''s area."
It''s not just about talent though Broadstairs; it''s also, crucially, about easing the team''s transition to playing Farke''s way. 

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Despite letting the 7 go that we have im pretty sure Webber did an interview the other day saying we have to sell to bring players in.

And Naismith a 30+ highest earner at the club who isn''t even a starter is pretty high on the list to go. Remainder of his contract is worth about £5m.

Klose will go as he''s one of the few who will attract suiters from Germany.

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Both have been underwhelming in the Chumps and don''t appear to be particularly happy here. They''re both expensive to run and I think they''ll both be disposed of.

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Morgan wrote the following post at 27/05/2017 7:01 PM:

I appreciate what others are saying about experience but both Klose and Naismith are on higher wages than our clearly restricted budget will allow.

To what degree is the budget restricted? This point keeps popping up over and over again but do we actually have any sort of idea of how much savings have to be made. If players like Klose were on top of their game and making a big contribution to the side would the financial requirement to cut costs override the footballing benefits.

I thought the idea was to get rid of dead wood not cut down the tree.

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Norwich will receive £12m less in parachute payments this season than they did last season. When you consider there was pretty much nothing to spend last summer it shows how much needs of be saved. Releasing the 7 out of contract players has probably save the club around £5m, so there is still a lot of fat to be trimmed.

I don''t think the club need to make another £7m in savings this window - money received for Brady and Olsson in January as well as the savings on their wages have meant the club can get by - there is still an underlying need to reduce wages and move on players such as Klose and Naismith who are costing the club far more than they are offering in performances.

Webber isn''t afraid of making wholesale changes in a window. Last summer Huddersfield signed 15 players and sold/loaned out 18. I really wouldn''t be surprised if we saw changes of that level this summer. I also wouldn''t be at all surprised to see players fans feel we should keep being sold. I expect Webber is open to offers on literally everyone in our squad as he has faith in his own ability to find someone as good to replace them, but cheaper. That is what a good Sporting Director does.

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We know that Klose is a talented, premier class performer. What happened to him last season is inexplicable, but could, possibly, be laid at the feet of the coaches. New coaches, allayed to a new system, could see him thrive once again. He should be kept unless a very good offer comes in for him.

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[quote user="Branston Pickle"]There''s clearly going to be a bit of a mix - we can''t just lose all our ''better'' players, and for me we have lost more than enough defenders already so would ideally like to see Klose stay.[/quote]Agree. I think he could be the lynchpin of the defence under a manager with more tactical nous. If he wants to stay I''d definitely keep him - we do need to offload high earners, but I''d sooner see Naismith, Jarvis and Tettey leave first.

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Bethnal - So what is the parachute payment for this year please, I know its our last one as we only got 2?

I found this which refers to Villa

Under the new system clubs will be paid Parachute Payments for three seasons following relegation, save for if they have only been in the Premier League for one season, when they will receive two years of Parachute Payments.

In season one, 2016-17, Villa would get £40 million

In season two, 2017-18, Villa would get £33 million

In season three, 2018-19, Villa would get £14 million.

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He looked good in the Premiership. In fact it was only towards the end of the season, when he was out for several games, that our fate was finally sealed.

I think that he has some good qualities, but despite his height he is not good at headers and he really doesn''t like physical contact. If Farke feels that he can make an improvement, it may be worth the risk, but otherwise we need money to sign players, and I would sell him.

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[quote user="westcoastcanary"][quote user="Move Klose"]I don''t understand why so many people are struggling to understand the high earners have to go.

We want NaiSmith gone and when someone makes an offer he''s gone. Same with Klose & a few others.

Webber wants the wage bill and age of squad down. If your around 30 and one of the high earners there''s a good chance were trying to move them on.[/quote]Seems to me that you are struggling to understand that several high earners have already gone and that reducing the wage bill and the average age of the squad doesn''t necessarily mean off-loading every high earner and every senior player. Now that Farke and Reimer have come in, the value to the squad of Naismith and Klose has increased not lessened. [/quote]

Seems to me that you (Westcoastcanary) are struggling to realise that we need to reduce our wage bill due to our lower income(no parachute after 2017-18). Furthermore we need the transfer fees that Klose and Howson will command to help rebuild the squad with good younger players.

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[quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]Norwich will receive £12m less in parachute payments this season than they did last season. When you consider there was pretty much nothing to spend last summer it shows how much needs of be saved. Releasing the 7 out of contract players has probably save the club around £5m, so there is still a lot of fat to be trimmed.

I don''t think the club need to make another £7m in savings this window - money received for Brady and Olsson in January as well as the savings on their wages have meant the club can get by - there is still an underlying need to reduce wages and move on players such as Klose and Naismith who are costing the club far more than they are offering in performances.

Webber isn''t afraid of making wholesale changes in a window. Last summer Huddersfield signed 15 players and sold/loaned out 18. I really wouldn''t be surprised if we saw changes of that level this summer. I also wouldn''t be at all surprised to see players fans feel we should keep being sold. I expect Webber is open to offers on literally everyone in our squad as he has faith in his own ability to find someone as good to replace them, but cheaper. That is what a good Sporting Director does.[/quote]

Dont forget the players we signed last summer post 30 June 2016: Canos, Oliveira, Pritchard that involved transfer fees.

I agree, I wouldnt be surprised if we see Klose and Howson go for fees. Who knows if we can get anything for: Naismith and Winshult. Furthermore I would imagine the club would like to offload: McGovern, Jarvis, Andreau and possibly Tettey if they could.

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