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1 - Was today worthys fault? 2 - Should he stay? (I've almost changed my mind!)

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1 - Who would be a manager?! We outplayed Reading today, quite clearly outplayed them. Before we all start criticizing worthy for today it has to be asked, is it his fault we missed so many chances? Hughes was through one on one, Hucks was through one on one, Deano was through one on one, Deano had one off the line, Lisbie had one saved. None of these things are worthys fault. Our crossing was downright awful, maybe his fault (Either way I wish someone would sort it out!!) I dont see why Norwich and offsides are so common, can anyone explain? I mean Deano makes Iwan look like a master of the offside trap! (OK..Im emotional ) Again im not sure if thats worthys fault.

However.. Why has he taken so long to start playing mcveigh again? Then why on earth did he take him off?! IMO he was our best player. He looked dangerous running with the ball, and wasnt afraid to take on defenders and get crosses in. We had to bring on hucks, we could have gone for a 4-3-2-1 formation? Or even put mcveigh up front! (His natural position, lets remember) I dont think ive been so angered at a decision in a long long time. Although I will say well done for getting in Davenport, looks classy.

2 - Anyway, the main thrust of what I want to say is here. Ive been defending worthy this season, pretty much alone after the Stoke game (I think I gave up after the "We are going to get relegated with worthy!" posts started coming out.) However, its obvious he doesnt know what our best team is, or formation for that matter. And we all know he shows some favouritism. Perhaps the time is right to bring someone in, who has no prior ideas of the players, to take over, and with an open mind judge who our best players are and what system would bring the best out of our squad. We have six relatively easy games coming up, so any change should be made in the next week or so.

Im really in two minds over what we should do. Things have been looking up the last week or two, and i still maintain that if our finishing was at the level it should be we would be near the top. But maybe we need a man with fresh ideas, fresh impetus? I really dont know.

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Trent, you do know that''s it''s right, but it is difficult to say it after what Worthy achieved a couple of seasons ago. But that was then and this is now, and it''s time for a change. He''s got no idea of what his best team or formation is. His tactics are questionable, although not as bad as his substitutions - McVeigh off for Hucks on the right? Hendo on in preference to Marney! We''re now approaching a quarter of the way through the season and the table doesn''t lie - how many more games are needed to demonstrate that Worthy''s lost his way? (and, after his "I don''t care about the fans" comment tonight, he''ll be losing the fans too!). Bristol City''s result today shows what the introduction of a new manager can do; let''s move on before the players lose all of their confidence and we''re scrapping for relegation. With the quality of the squad that we''ve got, we should be in the top six; if Worthy remains in charge, we''ll be bottom six for the rest of the season.

   

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Outplayed! You must be watching a different game to me. We hardly troubled the reading Keeper.
This was without doubt the worst display I have witnessed for a very long time.

Most of the time our strikers couldn''t even find the target let alone the back of the net.
True we had plenty of possesion across the middle of the park but lacked any momentum going forward.

Yes this was worthy''s fault.

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the substitutions were a big joke! i doubt if he will even play mcveigh on tuesday and he was our best player again. it should have been brennan and lisbie off and hux and marney on with macca pushed alongside ashton.

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sorry but worthy got virtually every decision wrong today and after two months sitting on the fence I''m coming round to thinking he really has reached his sell by date.

First, he leaves Huckerby on the bench. OK so he may have not been 100% but a 70% Hucks is a more effective threat than the alternatives. Better to start with him and take him off if it doesn''t work out.

And then substitutions !! How he managed to replace 3 players and keep Lisbie on the pitch beggars belief. Each change perplexed me.

No. 1. Surely its Huckerby replacing Lisbie (straight swap in position). No its McVeigh. I know Worthington is highly paid successful manager but surely 25000 fans can''t be wrong!

No. 2 Surely its Marney for Lisbie. No its Henderson. Yes, Hendo looked ok when he came on late at Ipswich but was he really going to provide a decent cross?

No. 3 Another chance to replace Lisbie with Marney but instead he brings on a defender and puts Doherty forward (its not rocket science to have realised by now that this doesn''t work).

Oh well I suppose we''ll win on Tuesday and it''ll be another turning point !!!!

Will Worthy be singing his favourite Lurkers song on the karaoke tonight? Sorry, if that''s a bit obscure .....but that''s todays theme.

 

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Of course it wasn''t Worthy''s fault.  He has been bold and made the changes we needed.  He has brought in Davenport on Loan, who is awesome (although didn''t have his best game today).  Hucks himself said he was not up to 90 minutes, so Worthy''s hands were tied on this one.

Worthy did not miss the penalty, or the one on ones.  The ref did us no favours at all - be surprised if he gets another game in a hurry.

I have just got back to Brighton after the game and feel very dissapointed that things didn''t go our way, but we are not getting the luck or the breaks at the moment.  I am also bl00dy angry at the idiots in the ground who booed Flemmo coming on and who booed the team at the end - why don''t they stay at home rather than have a negative impact on our team.

 

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Trent- it isn''t TODAY which was Worthy''s fault, but the overall sitiuation we are in, of which today is merely part.

It is quite clear to me that we have no team.

We have a bunch of players. Some very capable, quality players.

Having assembled his squad, the manager has to get a settled team playing together with understanding, positional awareness and a common idea of tactics.

We didn''t deserve to lose today, but we hardly deserved to win either so few were our clear cut chances. Reason? We have to rely on one individual piece of skill to get anywhere. We have very few flowing passing moves, our players have no idea where the others are or what to do when they get into any attacking position. They are isolated, need to look up and assess what''s going on and who is where by which time the chance has gone.

WHEN we do this we look very good. But it doesn''t happen very often. Because we aren''t a team, we are an unconnected group of talented but underexploited individuals.

That''s Worthy''s fault. No amount of formations, tinkering or loan signings will disguise the fact that Worthy struggles to create an effective unit. And when he did and it worked, he ripped its guts out in the close season.

 

 

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[quote]Outplayed! You must be watching a different game to me. We hardly troubled the reading Keeper. This was without doubt the worst display I have witnessed for a very long time. Most of the time our str...[/quote]

Obviously. Reading had two chances, one saved by Green, and a goal. We had one off the line, a penalty, hucks through on goal, deano through on goal, lisbie through on goal, lisbie''s shot that was saved, hughes in on goal.. you get the drift I hope. Leroy Lita, the number one player in the championship according to the ratings was anonymous today. No momentum going forward?! Theres a difference between not creating chances, and missing chances.

Tumbleweed - agree with what your saying. It just seems as though the players dont have strict positions in the final third, and just wander about without knowing what the other players are thinking.

Stuff it, im gonna make a new thread with the genius idea for our team that I just had at the pub. It would save Worthy''s job I tells ya.

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[quote]Trent- it isn''t TODAY which was Worthy''s fault, but the overall sitiuation we are in, of which today is merely part. It is quite clear to me that we have no team. We have a bunch of players. Some ve...[/quote]

Right then. I have been sitting on the fence for the last 10 games to see how it goes. (Gazza has been giving me grief about it but there you go!).

Today 10 games is up and quite frankly it''s not good enough.

If this company, and it is a multi million pound company, like BT or ICI, Shell etc was performing like us NCFC Plc the CEO would be sacked!

The company (NCFC Ltd) is quite frankly in the doldrums and has gone stale. I see this company as a circle with a great outer core being the board (inc the fans) and the inner ring as the management  with the nucleus being the players. We''re about to implode imo, we have the the players but they do not have the strength from the next ring to keep us from doing that!

Yeah I''ve been on the sauce today but who wouldn''t!

 

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I wouldnt quite say we outplayed Reading but we did dominate the game, but without any real quality going forward.  What precious little quality we had disappeared when WLY was bizzarely taken off and we abandoned the diamond formation that has down us so well over the last two and a half games. 

We lacked quality in midfield but beyond that it was the best overall performance of the season for me.

 

OTBC

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[quote]Of course it wasn''t Worthy''s fault. He has been bold and made the changes we needed. He has brought in Davenport on Loan, who is awesome (although didn''t have his best game today). Hucks himself sa...[/quote]

Dicky I admire you for sticking up for Worthy, but sadly I think you are probably now in the minority.  The people I sit with in the upper Barclay have remained fairly loyal to Worthy despite some of the strange decisions he has made of late.  Today however those supporters were very angry with what they saw, and this anger was triggered off initially when McVeigh was taken off and Brennan remained on the pitch.  Some of the decisions that followed only made things worse and people I have sat with for years actually got up and left the ground early.

I consider myself to be a loyal supporter but I don''t think that we look like a team who have a clue what they are supposed to be doing, and more importantly the players don''t look as though they are enjoying themselves, especially those that are being asked to play out of position. 

In my opinion the board need to bite the bullet and use the money in the kitty to buy out Worthy''s and Livermore''s contracts.  I have tried to defend Worthy''s decisions but I now genuinely believe if he stays then we will be in danger of getting relegated.

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no way did we "outplay" reading today trent.im not saying they deserved all three points but,to me,it was clear by the formation and way they played that they were looking to keep it tight,get men behind the ball and if possible catch us on the break.both teams were fairly evenly matched and there was only ever going to be the odd goal in it.1st half was encouraging but once again we did not look like scoring.unbeleivably,hux did not start,brennan had a poor game and why oh why did he take squiz off?? can anyone explain that?one bright spot was the relationship developing between davenport and the doc,we looked much tighter at the back.unfortunately,one mistake by callum cost us dearly,but in no way am i blaming him for losing.hux wanted to take pen,he looked at deano and indicated he wanted it but he was having none of it,strange really when you saw how nervous he looked .worthys substitutions and team selection baffles me and i was amazed he thinks we are good enough to leave one of if not the best players on the bench.

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[quote]Trent- it isn''t TODAY which was Worthy''s fault, but the overall sitiuation we are in, of which today is merely part. It is quite clear to me that we have no team. We have a bunch of players. Some ve...[/quote]

tumbleweed

an excellent summary of why we are in the position we are in

to add to your points, the offside thing, yes indirectly this is the fault of the players, but we are consistently doing it

why then isn''t it being ironed out at colney, do our players not understand the offside rule?

it frustrates me that we do have the players, but sadly not the management team to help them fufill their potential, how long we wait till things get past the point of no return is largely debatable, with my cynical head on i would guess it is up to our chief accountant to go through all the permetations and then the board to have frank discussions with worthy as to what his deadline is to get us back on track

with the players we have we should not be just off the relegation zone, we have had injuries (though a lot of those stemming from colney), and we have shifted a lot of players in and out, but we have now reached the 10 game mark and things have to improve

 

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Dicky, the fans weren''t booing Fleming specifically. They were booing the last straw in a display of managerial incompetence on display yesterday.

Surely, a team who last year managed to beat Man U, Newcastle et al at home , and retaining the better players (Francis apart) should be doing considerably better. Its not bad luck that sees us struggling. If anything, we were fortuitous in our two wins!

We, the fans, deserve better. You may have the patience and disposable income to travel each week from Brighton. It must be handy to have all that sand to put your head in. The rest of us feel cheated and have the right to express this.

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He should go due to his inability as a manager to keep us up last season and his continuing inability to have a positive effect on this season.

As manager he is responsible for results, transfers, coaching, tactics and selections. As he is failing in all areas he should be replaced.

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He should go due to his inability as a manager to keep us up last season and his continuing inability to have a positive effect on this season.

As manager he is responsible for results, transfers, coaching, tactics and selections. As he is failing in all areas he should be replaced.

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1 -Ultimately, yes, for reasons posted by many before me. It never ceases to amaze that the manager has the benefit of two experienced deputies, and yet strange team slections, tactics and substitutions continue. Some of the decisions he makes come after weeks or months by comments here and elsewhere. Can the three of them not see what is patently obvious to most?

2) Sadly, I think he should go. For a time, up to the play-offs, he seemed to motivate the team well. I am not convinced that he directly motivated them to promotion - I think that the arrival of Hux galvanized them.
For a season and ten games, now, we have had part-match performances, and the level has been ganerally poor. Players seem to have lost confidence, and there seems no direction or plan. Someone mentioned staleness. Perhaps this is it.

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[quote]Dicky, the fans weren''t booing Fleming specifically. They were booing the last straw in a display of managerial incompetence on display yesterday. Surely, a team who last year managed to beat Man U, ...[/quote]

No sand in Brighton - it''s a pebble beach!!!!

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Salopian- another recruit to the small band of those who can see (with Zipper) that promotion was achieved despite Nigel, not because of him.

As I have said before, Worthy is a great squad builder. But he can''t put a team together or organise it or coach it for toffee. The signing of Hux was truly inspirational- that and the acquistion of leon and the loans of Crouch and Harper and latterly Cooper took this club up another gear, a tidal wave of excitment that Nigel brilliantly created but which ultimately disguised his failings.

How many games in that season did we really dominate? Precious few, but that blisteringly fast and confident attack could score us the goals to hide our midfield and organisational frailties. Add to the mix the team spirit engendered by Malky and Iwan and it was a potent force.

My ideal now would be for Worthy to stay in some part time advisory capacity to build and maintain the squad. However someone else should be put in charge of coaching, choosing and organising them.

 

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[quote]Even worse than we thought then Dicky....it''s rocks in the head.[/quote]

Obviously an American expresssion?

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December 2000: 5 games lost in a row, an overpaid and depressed bunch of players heading for the drop. Enter Nigel who achieves mid-table safety.

Next season, a few signings and a play-off place is achieved, and the Premiership is within touching distance. Nigel has made a real impact.

2002/2003 sees us flirting with the top 6, but a lack of quality in key areas means we miss out.

The next season sees the inspirational signings gavanise the team and we win the league comfortably.

The return to the promised land sees us battle galantly against the 4-5-1 bore specialists who currently bedevil the premiership, until a last-day nightmare results in our relegation.

We start this season with a great squad, what appears to be a very well organised club who will take the league by storm. So whats going wrong?

I feel that Nigel has made an enormous difference to this club. He has instilled discipline and organisation where there was none, and assembled a first team squad which is the envy of most teams in this league.

But usually when I watch the quality teams play in the Premiership of the Champions league, I can understand the team selections and the substitutions the manager makes. I cannot with Nigel. I feel that after 5 years, he should hasn''t developed the tactical acumen required to manage this team at the highest level.

In summary, I will look back on Nigel''s reign of this club with satisfaction: he turned us around, and took this club back to the top flight, and that hadn''t been achieved since 1986. This weekend apart, he has conducted himself with dignity in the media, and upheld the finest traditions of this club: passing football.

But he has taken us as far as he can. Thanks for a job well done Nigel, we will remember you. Especially after Mike Newell takes us into the Premiership.

Bravo, Win or Die. 

 

 

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