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Why would you want AN to stay

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With no CEO, there is currently no spokesperson at the club.

Personally I''d like to here an honest appraisal of the season from Delia, c''mon Delia "Let''s be avin ya!" especially as the remit was clearly promotion, promotion, promotion, which you have to hope she shared with Moxey.

I''m astonished the club have stuck with AN this season, and by all accounts we''ve failed on most fronts (it''s not over yet, but we''ve been inconsistent too often, we''ve underperformed to often, failed to address striker and defense shortfalls at start of season and in Jan, we''re 9th, despite being favourites, we''re still 6 points off promotion, we make same mistakes week in week out)

So out of curiosity, why would you personally stick by AN (I''m trying to eek out what positives he has, if any, compared to many wanting to see him go-which I think now is the time to part company-if he hasn''t succeeded this season, and he''s failed by some margin, I can''t see an improvement next)

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Perhaps, it his ability to influence a game, team and Mike Phelan from the stands, as illustrated by him giving the boys a hand at the Bournemouth match a couple of years ago.

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I don''t. I''d love to hear the boards reasons for wanting him to stay after such a under achieving season

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Surely with the wage bill & transfer fees we''ve paid out the board would''ve said this year''s aim is promotion (Obviously) or at the very least get into the top 6.

Personally can''t see how he can keep his job if we don''t make top 6 (Which we wont).

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I''ve said on many a threads he should have gone along while ago all you hear him say he got us prompted (true) but you never hear him say he got us relegated hope this is his last few games roll on next season without him

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Many don''t want him to stay.

And despite the reticence of many of those who think he still could do something, I''m sure if we bring someone new in, they will be just as happy with him.

Let''s face it, most of us if we were truthful knew absolutely naff all about AN when he arrived.

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I don''t want him to stay...I just don''t rate him as a manager...actually I never have...even when he got us to Wembley...

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next season, with its parachute payments will be the last we have in a position of "advantage" over the majority of the rest of the division, although will obviously be behind the 3 that get relegated this season.

With this money, any left over profit from January, together with some big earners to get off the wage bill this summer, we need to pool everything into a big tilt for promotion next season......because after that, we "could" become just another Championship club .

Now the board need to ask themselves honestly.....is Alex Neil the very best man to have this second and last bite at the cherry whilst in a position of advantage?

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ROBFLECK wrote the following post at 26/02/2017 7:59 PM:

I don''t want him to stay...I just don''t rate him as a manager...actually I never have...even when he got us to Wembley...

Bit harsh. That first season his results were amazing. I wouldn''t take that away from him

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[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]next season, with its parachute payments will be the last we have in a position of "advantage" over the majority of the rest of the division, although will obviously be behind the 3 that get relegated this season.

With this money, any left over profit from January, together with some big earners to get off the wage bill this summer, we need to pool everything into a big tilt for promotion next season......because after that, we "could" become just another Championship club .

Now the board need to ask themselves honestly.....is Alex Neil the very best man to have this second and last bite at the cherry whilst in a position of advantage?[/quote]

£33M next season and £14M the next if we don''t get promoted.

So next season, owners and ground size apart, there will be three teams with a bigger "free" income and two with the same as us. So could argue that top six is not out of the question at all.

Obviously it would become harder season after as there would be six teams with more money.

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I would really like to see a change and some new ideas. Someone new to take on the potential of the younger players, someone with fresh tactics and playing strategies. A new coaching team and better recruitment would also be a plus in our final parachute year. Oh for someone like a Wagner.

Alex N has had a decent run. He has not been the worst we have ever had. I rate him about the same as Worthy overall. And I hold Worthy in good regard btw. His time came and went too like all managers.

I want to feel excited by something new and different personalities as I fear a kind of inertia with the same management team. It hasn''t gelled for quite a while now and we have had huge investment in comparative terms which hasn''t given us an adequate payback.

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I''ve never taken to AN, but he did a very good job in his initial time with us.

Since he''s built his own squad it''s become a little underwhelming and my two biggest issues is his lack of changing games, also his coaching, for two seasons we have been caught out far to easy at the back, forgivable in the premiership given the quality of most teams but at this level with who we have it''s not so forgivable.

Signings are never guaranteed, but why sign so many similar players only to have one position for them while being short in quality in other areas.

Personally I''d love to see the back of AN, but I can''t see anyone better being attracted to taking over at this club. So no matter what we might want Delia & co will no doubt extend his stay to next year.

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Highland Canary wrote the following post at 2017-02-26 11:13 PM:

Perhaps, it his ability to influence a game, team and Mike Phelan from the stands, as illustrated by him giving the boys a hand at the Bournemouth match a couple of years ago.

If AN was able to influence a game that much, we would not be where we are now! What happened two years ago is history, last season PL relegation and this seasons results, quite simply, do not add any strength to your suggestion.

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If we think who might go in the summer?....

Whittaker,Bassong,Lafferty,Turner,Mulumbu would all surely be "invited to leave"

....aswell as Klose, who surely wouldnt hang around for another season of Championship football, nor could you see Dijks staying?.

So far Alex Neil''s record in the transfer marker hasn''t been that great when signing the 3 or 4 players required to make difference. We realistically need a good 6 or 7 in the summer and I''m not sure you''d trust him to get that right?

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Thank you Morty. Have you formed a similar position on him? I know you''ve not been part of the sack brigade but also I''ve felt you''ve not been 100% convinced either.

A change for me at the end of the season would give me fresh hope. I enjoyed Wembley and that was his greatest hour. But we must move on now.

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Kind of Sonyc, but I can still see what the board are trying to do, and I can see limitations in the squad that we have, so am still not in the place where it''s 100% Alex''s fault.

What you posted is an ideal that may not be easily achievable though, we always seem to have to settle in some way.

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I don''t see how the CEO thing is relevant? If the board want him gone I doubt they will get rid, regardless of what restructuring is going on off the pitch.

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Because I believe Delia will let her heart rule her head - I believe she ''likes'' Neil too much to sack him, regardless of results on the pitch. If there is not a big crowd reaction against Neil then she will see no need to change

If you had a McNally, or even a Moxey, they would look at the situation differently from a results point of view and act as the counter balance to the emotional attachment

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just to pi ss off the grizzling whingers and whiners might be enough for me

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You seem to know her very well.

The club was actually praised by neutrals recently for sticking by Alex Neil.

The CEO is there to carry out the decisions of the board, not the other way round.

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It''s not a case of knowing her, but just looking back at what she has said about Neil, and our previous managerial issues. Worthington, Hamilton, Gunn, Adams, arguably Roeder and Hughton all seemed to be held in to for too long.

Praised by neutrals? Has any club been praised by neutrals for changing manager? Even with Ranieri, Leicester are being slaughtered by media and pundits but they are in the bottom 3. Football is a results business and sentiment doesn''t come into it.

Surely the CEO acts as another voice in the board. They are not there to act as a puppet, well maybe Doncaster was

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In my opinion, when he got the job it was a bit of a case of a new broom sweeps clean.

Pretty soon into the Prem season I had my doubts and I thought he should have gone months ago.

I keep asking where or how has he improved us since Wembley and I struggle to see much improvement. Infact I''d say we''ve gone backwards in some areas.

Does anyone think if he got us promoted this season or next that he could keep us up?

I think we''ve seen the best of him, the best of what he can do for Norwich. Time for a change.

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@Rogue.

So we held onto those managers for too long, did Delia like them all then? Or is it a case that fans are too quick to call for heads?

The CEO is an employee, sure he can offer an opinion, but at the end of the day he is nothing more than that. Are you a puppet of your boss because you do what he asks of you?

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More important by far than whether Alex Neil stays or not, is whether Roy Hodgson can be persuaded to come in in a Director of Football role. The traditional "manager" of English football is an anachronism. With a competent DoF in place, "manager" becomes "first-team coach" whose survival rests simply on his ability to maintain, add or subtract value from the squad provided for him. 

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Hamilton - did Delia not want him to resign?

Worthington - too long

Roeder - probably not

Gunn - ridiculous to give him the job full time in the first place

Hughton - too long to avoid a sleepwalk to relegation

Adams - see Gunn. Stupidity to give it full time, mistaken was rectified in time

Neil - arguable, similar to Hughton in my mind where we were waiting for it to change but it has never happened

Im self employed so I am my own boss. However a CEO is not a normal run of mill employee. A CEO is responsible for the running of the company, responsible for performance, so by nature can not sit by if it starts to fail. At which point he has to suggest change - if the board do not listen, where does that leave the CEO?

He will be repsonsible for failure, yet cannot influence change, is that where Moxey found himself (pure speculation on my part)

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I''ve mentioned this before but I don''t get people''s obsession with having Hodgson as director of football. It is a specialised role in itself and I can''t think of a single example off the top of my head where an ex manager has done the role well. All bringing in someone like Hodgson does is increase the pressure on whoever the manager is as we''ve got a ready made replacement waiting to step in.

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@Rogue.

The CEO is responsible for day to day running of the club, not for hiring and firing managers, that is a board decision. And most of the CEO''s role is "off pitch".

Depending on the structure he may, or may not, have a seat on the board so will have influence in that respect. But he still remains an employee of the owners, I guess its up to him how much he wants to rock the boat, set against how much he wants to keep his job.

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