Crafty Canary 490 Posted March 4, 2017 Now it is clear that our season is over we can at least start early planning for next season. I would like to think that the day after the season ends Neal will be given the boot and Lafferty, Whittaker, Turner, Bassong and Mulumbu will be released and a deal done to buy out Louis Jean Jarvis'' contract and Andreu given a free.Unfortunately we just know that our hapless manager will be retained by our hapless owners. In this case I hope he still dumps the above and actually brings in players in the positions we need strengthening, mainly in defence. Appointing a good defensive play coach would also be a positive step.The Merry Moaners and Happy Clappers can then get their hopes up for the new season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks6 169 Posted March 4, 2017 I am not looking forward to next season if the Scottish idiot is still there come on Delia do the right thing now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted March 4, 2017 If he''s going to go at the end of the season he may as well go tonight. We can gee the somebody (Warburton, Rowett?) in. He can then use the remainder of the season to assess the squad and convince players to stayThe alternative is wait and hope Monk becomes available... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kidderminster Exile 0 Posted March 4, 2017 Is that plan X, Y or Z Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coneys Knee 932 Posted March 4, 2017 I think it''s time to go now, I really do. No hard feelings particularly but it''s. Learnt not working.At least going now will give us time to look around for the right man etc. My only issue is whether or not I could trust this board to make the right decision.Time will tell I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheManWhoSoldDerveld 0 Posted March 4, 2017 Whoever is charge needs to completely dismantle our defence. Worst case scenario would be a new manager coming in and thinking they can get a tune out of this defensive unit where Hughton, Adams, and Neil all failed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,976 Posted March 4, 2017 [quote user="TheManWhoSoldDerveld"]Whoever is charge needs to completely dismantle our defence. Worst case scenario would be a new manager coming in and thinking they can get a tune out of this defensive unit where Hughton, Adams, and Neil all failed.[/quote]If AN goes I think that worse case scenario is very likely to happen - it seems as though the majority still believe that we have great squad ''on paper'' and that it''s all down to a ''clueless'' manager that we''re not on our way straight back to the Premiership.Leaving aside that AN''s, admittedly relatively short, track record says he''s not clueless (as does Hughton''s which many of the same were desperate to get rid off) it seems pretty obvious to me that if you actually watch the games the squad is not any where near as good as people think - to put it kindly some are past their peak.To be a bit more brutal there are 6-8 of the senior players who need to give up or move on. One of my criticisms of AN is that he has been too loyal to some of these players but despite that I think he is better equipped and more likely to conduct the necessary clear out in the summer than a newly arrived manager who may well spent the first chunk of next season trying to get these players to perform - and of course in patches they will, as they have done this season but in the end they''ll fail again.We also have a very promising group of young players to come through, which in large part is down to AN signing promising youngsters for the future. So, with the proviso that he does dispense Lafferty, Mulumbu, Dorrans, Ruddy, Bennett etc in the summer I''d be quite interested to see what he could with the youngsters blended in with some of the experienced guys who are still doing it - Howson, Pinto, Jerome etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djc 0 Posted March 4, 2017 Give AN the boot now, and hope for a change in fortune under someone else with new, fresh ideas. Try to gatecrash the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,976 Posted March 4, 2017 [quote user="djc"]Give AN the boot now, and hope for a change in fortune under someone else with new, fresh ideas. Try to gatecrash the playoffs.[/quote]Yes right, that approach has worked really well for us in recent years, hasn''t it!??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Renoir 1 Posted March 4, 2017 The club won''t be planning for anything until we know for certain what division we''ll be playing in next year.As it stands AN is totally safe and will be as long as we stay clear of the relegation places. He won''t be playing the youth for the rest of the season, we''ll see the same old faces as he tries to salvage this season.If next season we''re in the bottom 8 or so places after 15/20 games I think the board might give him a push. Otherwise I wouldn''t expect anything to change next game/ over the next few weeks or even next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duncan Edwards 2,188 Posted March 4, 2017 I''m planning on supporting Norwich City and taking in anywhere between 6 and 10 away games (work facilitating) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djc 0 Posted March 4, 2017 AN on the radio sounded resigned to defeat, and has no idea how to solve the problem.. This rubs off on the players, and voilà , this performance today sums up the need to change.Take Leicester, two wins on the bounce since sacking their premier league winning manager. What makes AN better than Ranieri? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted March 4, 2017 That''s a great post creative midfielder.But I doubt many have the stomach or the patience. We are putting together a squad we can identify with and take pride in. But in this instant gratification driven world building for the future holds little appeal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted March 4, 2017 Are we?I identified just fine with the squad that won at Wembley. A squad AN has now taken backwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkbroadslim 223 Posted March 4, 2017 Instant gratification? Would any other club have been as forgiving of AN as our board have been?What evidence is there that we are building for the future? What future is that, I should really be asking? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 995 Posted March 4, 2017 Poor away record, leaking goals, have not beaten a side in the top six, another heavy defeat to a promotion rival......taxi for Alex Neil and take Delia and MWJ with you......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted March 4, 2017 So if we keep that squad but change the manager you''d be happy GJP. I don''t think this squad have got another season in them. But in the end its just different fans with different opinions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,089 Posted March 4, 2017 I wonder if today''s Bennett for Murphy substitution was a WTF moment with the players and the last straw. I wouldn''t have Neil anywhere in my plans. Get rid now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 309 Posted March 4, 2017 I Expect our planning for next season to be something like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcm0yjC8qhA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted March 4, 2017 I don''t believe AN is taking the club forward. I think that''s been the case for the majority of his time at the club. I said he would find it hard to turn things around after relegation (because nothing about the Prem season suggested he could) and that had proven to be the case.Has to go. Not the man for the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,655 Posted March 4, 2017 Both posted by Nutty on this thread............................ We are putting together a squad we can identify with and take pride in. I don''t think this squad have got another season in them.Now call me old fashioned but does not one sort of contradict the other ? [*-)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted March 4, 2017 We''ll you are old fashioned that part is a given.We have been building a younger squad but at the same time we have been stuck with players we couldn''t move on. Some of them will be gone in the summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted March 4, 2017 Charlie Wyett on Twitter: manager out of his depth. How many players in last 18 months have improved under AN? NoneSums it up for all but the happy clappers. Another year of Neil and we''ll be back in L1 but without Holt, Lambert or McNally. That doesn''t augur well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,500 Posted March 4, 2017 Whilst it''s looking pretty grim at the moment I do think next season could be really exciting. Obviously we need to find a suitable manager and in my opinion some more experienced and proven coaching staff. Not sure Irvine has given us anything more than Holt, maybe less.But we have a really good squad. And some good young players too. Some of the old guards contracts are up and I''m sure a couple more will move on. But I think keeping with Alex Neil is not only wrong on a football level but also wrong for the atmosphere amongst supporters come next season. Again, there will be criticism of the board on here. And some of it will be fair. After all, it seems pretty clear sticking with him was the wrong choice.Unfortunately there''ll also be unfair criticism where history gets rewritten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,976 Posted March 5, 2017 [quote user="Highland Canary"]Charlie Wyett on Twitter: manager out of his depth. How many players in last 18 months have improved under AN? NoneSums it up for all but the happy clappers. Another year of Neil and we''ll be back in L1 but without Holt, Lambert or McNally. That doesn''t augur well.[/quote]Jacob Murphy?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted March 5, 2017 What Wyett was arguing. For today Murphy, sadly, looked like he was frozen in the headlights; he looked like a kid in a man''s game. A manager needs to know when to dip players out too. But today was yet another big game no show. Only 1p5wich supporters could possibly be arguing for managerial continuity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted March 5, 2017 Jacob has done pretty much what I expected. He can beat a man and he can score a goal (I think we always knew he would be able to do that at this level) but a lot of his game needs work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites