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Quality player, whatever Grefstad thinks [:)]Would imagine the fee would be around the £5m mark. Now let''s get a new left-back in quick!

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I wonder if he had a look round Swansea before he signed?I know where I''d rather live....

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[quote user="king canary"]Did get relegated twice tbf...

But yes we need a new left back pronto.[/quote]
Have a suspicion that we are just going to rely on Brady for the rest of the season.

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[quote user="Ginja"][quote user="king canary"]Did get relegated twice tbf...

But yes we need a new left back pronto.[/quote]
Have a suspicion that we are just going to rely on Brady for the rest of the season.
[/quote]If a bidding war is happening, can you really see the club turning down £12m+ for a player who is keen to return to the PL and hasn''t been playing well? Think they''d rather rely on Whittaker than turn down that sort of money!

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[quote user="Feedthewolf"][quote user="Ginja"][quote user="king canary"]Did get relegated twice tbf...

But yes we need a new left back pronto.[/quote]
Have a suspicion that we are just going to rely on Brady for the rest of the season.
[/quote]If a bidding war is happening, can you really see the club turning down £12m+ for a player who is keen to return to the PL and hasn''t been playing well? Think they''d rather rely on Whittaker than turn down that sort of money![/quote]
Stuff of nightmares... I''m not sure I''d rely on Whittaker to do the tea run.

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Any mention of the loan player? As he''s out of contract at the end of the season it offers the chance to see what he''s like and maybe sign him in the summer. If this is not the case I''d prefer to see Toffolo played instead of helping Scunthorpe.

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[quote user="Crafty Canary"]If this is not the case I''d prefer to see Toffolo played instead of helping Scunthorpe.[/quote]
I think we''d all prefer that but it ain''t going to happen.

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[quote user="morty"]I wonder if he had a look round Swansea before he signed?I know where I''d rather live....[/quote]

He doesn''t have to live in Swansea, there''s some nice places around there. The coast is very nice.

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I suspect Brady will go aswell and given that we let Toffolo go are we going to need two left backs?

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A very good player who ultimately outweighs his poorer games with long stretches of being decent for us.

Unfortunately, I got tired of saying ''we wouldn''t sell X without having replacement Y lined up'' in the summer. You would hope, but can far from guarantee.

I would wager, unless everyone has lost their minds at NCFC and Whittaker is genuinely being considered for that place, we would go ahead with New Left Back #1 and him as the second choice.

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[quote user="Mason 47"]A very good player who ultimately outweighs his poorer games with long stretches of being decent for us.

Unfortunately, I got tired of saying ''we wouldn''t sell X without having replacement Y lined up'' in the summer. You would hope, but can far from guarantee.

I would wager, unless everyone has lost their minds at NCFC and Whittaker is genuinely being considered for that place, we would go ahead with New Left Back #1 and him as the second choice.[/quote]Really though, do you, or anyone else, seriously think we won''t buy a LB in this window?I don''t think anyone at the club is daft enough to think Whittaker is a long term solution.

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I cant see us not getting at least one lb player in, Garbutt would be perfect.

Or would we be better going with whittaker and a new manager instead.

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All signs point to new left back and I do think we will get one. I''m just a little wary- our recent track record with adequately dealing with the main squad issues transfer-wise has been poor.

I just don''t think I can get hurt again :''(

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[quote user="Mason 47"]All signs point to new left back and I do think we will get one. I''m just a little wary- our recent track record with adequately dealing with the main squad issues transfer-wise has been poor.

I just don''t think I can get hurt again :''([/quote]This is different though.Its not a case of "A new left back would be nice" its a case where it is an absolute necessity.

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This deal has got incompetence written all over it. I accept that we need to sell to buy, but surely you should let players go from positions where you have cover? We now have no specialist left back - a situation which has (arguably) already cost us 3 points last Saturday.

Brady is not as good a left back as Olsson and it is highly likely that he will leave anyway. Brady should have been the first one out to improve our financial position.

The reported low transfer fee is a result of not managing players'' contracts competently. Olsson''s contract should have been agreed before he entered his final year, not hurriedly put together last November. The club was then left in a weak negotiating position and no doubt agreed that he could leave if any EPL team came in for him.

Compare the deal for Olsson, an experienced left back in his prime with 40 international caps, with Tyrone Mings to Bournemouth for £8m two years ago, since when fees have become "ludicrous" according to a certain Mr Neil.

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[quote user="Andrew Spanton"]This deal has got incompetence written all over it. I accept that we need to sell to buy, but surely you should let players go from positions where you have cover? We now have no specialist left back - a situation which has (arguably) already cost us 3 points last Saturday.

Brady is not as good a left back as Olsson and it is highly likely that he will leave anyway. Brady should have been the first one out to improve our financial position.

The reported low transfer fee is a result of not managing players'' contracts competently. Olsson''s contract should have been agreed before he entered his final year, not hurriedly put together last November. The club was then left in a weak negotiating position and no doubt agreed that he could leave if any EPL team came in for him.

Compare the deal for Olsson, an experienced left back in his prime with 40 international caps, with Tyrone Mings to Bournemouth for £8m two years ago, since when fees have become "ludicrous" according to a certain Mr Neil.[/quote]It wasn''t hurriedly put together last November, the club have gone on record saying it took the best part of a year.Olsson has made leaving noises in the last three transfer windows.He could have walked away for free in the summer, as was out of contract. So it actually is a good bit of business getting him to sign a new contract and getting a fee for him.Also neither you, nor I actually know what the transfer fee is, do we?The difference between Olsson and Mings is age and potential.

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="Andrew Spanton"]This deal has got incompetence written all over it. I accept that we need to sell to buy, but surely you should let players go from positions where you have cover? We now have no specialist left back - a situation which has (arguably) already cost us 3 points last Saturday.

Brady is not as good a left back as Olsson and it is highly likely that he will leave anyway. Brady should have been the first one out to improve our financial position.

The reported low transfer fee is a result of not managing players'' contracts competently. Olsson''s contract should have been agreed before he entered his final year, not hurriedly put together last November. The club was then left in a weak negotiating position and no doubt agreed that he could leave if any EPL team came in for him.

Compare the deal for Olsson, an experienced left back in his prime with 40 international caps, with Tyrone Mings to Bournemouth for £8m two years ago, since when fees have become "ludicrous" according to a certain Mr Neil.[/quote]It wasn''t hurriedly put together last November, the club have gone on record saying it took the best part of a year.Olsson has made leaving noises in the last three transfer windows.He could have walked away for free in the summer, as was out of contract. So it actually is a good bit of business getting him to sign a new contract and getting a fee for him.Also neither you, nor I actually know what the transfer fee is, do we?The difference between Olsson and Mings is age and potential.[/quote]

A few comments on that:

Neither you nor I know the true the length of negotiations but surely a year to negotiate one player''s contract is indicative of an issue with negotiating and deal-making competencies?

All the better players make noises about leaving at some point which is why they need to be tied in to contracts early or marketing at their maximum value.

I agree he could have walked for free but wouldn''t describe the deal as ''good'' - more like ''better than nothing''.

I agree we don''t know the full transfer details but reports seem to be fairly close to the mark.

There are a number of differences between Mings and Olsson, one of which was their respective contractual positions.

Anyway, we are where we are and as long as we can pick up another experienced international left back for £4m - £5m then we''ll all be happy.

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[quote user="Andrew Spanton"][quote user="morty"][quote user="Andrew Spanton"]This deal has got incompetence written all over it. I accept that we need to sell to buy, but surely you should let players go from positions where you have cover? We now have no specialist left back - a situation which has (arguably) already cost us 3 points last Saturday.

Brady is not as good a left back as Olsson and it is highly likely that he will leave anyway. Brady should have been the first one out to improve our financial position.

The reported low transfer fee is a result of not managing players'' contracts competently. Olsson''s contract should have been agreed before he entered his final year, not hurriedly put together last November. The club was then left in a weak negotiating position and no doubt agreed that he could leave if any EPL team came in for him.

Compare the deal for Olsson, an experienced left back in his prime with 40 international caps, with Tyrone Mings to Bournemouth for £8m two years ago, since when fees have become "ludicrous" according to a certain Mr Neil.[/quote]It wasn''t hurriedly put together last November, the club have gone on record saying it took the best part of a year.Olsson has made leaving noises in the last three transfer windows.He could have walked away for free in the summer, as was out of contract. So it actually is a good bit of business getting him to sign a new contract and getting a fee for him.Also neither you, nor I actually know what the transfer fee is, do we?The difference between Olsson and Mings is age and potential.[/quote]

A few comments on that:

Neither you nor I know the true the length of negotiations but surely a year to negotiate one player''s contract is indicative of an issue with negotiating and deal-making competencies?

All the better players make noises about leaving at some point which is why they need to be tied in to contracts early or marketing at their maximum value.

I agree he could have walked for free but wouldn''t describe the deal as ''good'' - more like ''better than nothing''.

I agree we don''t know the full transfer details but reports seem to be fairly close to the mark.

There are a number of differences between Mings and Olsson, one of which was their respective contractual positions.

Anyway, we are where we are and as long as we can pick up another experienced international left back for £4m - £5m then we''ll all be happy.[/quote]How long do contracts take to negotiate then?I still think getting 4-5m for a player that has wanted to leave for about 18 months represents a pretty good bit of business.

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So question now is buy a left back around 21 / 22 years old long term to fit in with young fresh squad being built

or

a older 29 / 30 experienced player for shorter term ???

i would go younger player so that position is cover for a few years build a settled defence to gel together

(of course if available and we can find one )

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="Mason 47"]A very good player who ultimately outweighs his poorer games with long stretches of being decent for us.

Unfortunately, I got tired of saying ''we wouldn''t sell X without having replacement Y lined up'' in the summer. You would hope, but can far from guarantee.

I would wager, unless everyone has lost their minds at NCFC and Whittaker is genuinely being considered for that place, we would go ahead with New Left Back #1 and him as the second choice.[/quote]Really though, do you, or anyone else, seriously think we won''t buy a LB in this window?I don''t think anyone at the club is daft enough to think Whittaker is a long term solution.[/quote]

I would agree with you on this normally Morty, but it was such a strange summer transfer wise, at the end of last season i wouldnt have there was any chance the Whittaker and Turner would be given new contracts, i assumed Bassong might well have played his last and that a new centre back would have been a priority.

However the level headed part of me feels your right and that there can be no way that the club would have let him go if there wasnt a left back lined up, i just hope it''s not the loan of someone else''s young player.

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Trust me, if we don''t sign a left back in this window, I''ll be the first to be ringing Canary call.....

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Agree Morty, think people are being a little silly if they think we aren''t going to sign a LB in this window.

I mean, if we don''t, i''ll admit its really f*cking stupid.

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