Indy_Bones 441 Posted September 15, 2016 Playing badly and winning isn''t the sign of a top team, it''s the sign of a lucky team that''s faced an opponent that was either too poor, or too naive to take advantage of the top teams poor form and capitalise on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dickleburgh 1 Posted September 15, 2016 Sometimes....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yorkshire Canary 118 Posted September 15, 2016 Yes good teams do play badly and win but they also play well 50% or more of the time. I think we have had one good league game up to now v Blackburn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted September 15, 2016 It''s not even about playing badly and winning. It''s about finding a win whatever the situation. It seems to me that by fimding a way to win the other night, we showed our character and determination to succeed. You can call it "match play" or whatever. Tennis players do it - they find a way to win even when they are up against an inspired lesser opponent who is playing above themselves. Finding a way to win - and for the last two matches we did. That, imo, is a very, very good sign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Jenkins 0 Posted September 15, 2016 LDC"Finding a way to win - and for the last two matches we did. That, imo, is a very, very good sign. "It''s more about finding a way not to throw a game away in our case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted September 15, 2016 [quote user="Mr Jenkins"]LDC"Finding a way to win - and for the last two matches we did. That, imo, is a very, very good sign. "It''s more about finding a way not to throw a game away in our case.[/quote]Just goes to show how different attitides to the same situation can give a totally different slant on things. A win is a win is a win, or it used to be, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 15, 2016 [quote user="Mr Jenkins"]LDC"Finding a way to win - and for the last two matches we did. That, imo, is a very, very good sign. "It''s more about finding a way not to throw a game away in our case.[/quote]Agreed.The last two games we have really put ourselves under very unnecessary pressure, either through complacency or lack of focus.But winning breeds confidence, so hopefully we''ll see these early season jitters slowly melt away. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted September 15, 2016 Both us & Newcastle were winning comfortably at half time on Tuesday.We suddenly seemed to go back into our shell (caused by the Tettey injury mainly) & invited Wigan back into the game. Newcastle scored another 4 goals.Is it a difference in mentality between the 2 teams?I honestly believe that at 2-0 up midway through the first half that it wasn''t beyond us to put 6 past Wigan, who were offering nothing except for the odd long ball toward Grigg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djc 0 Posted September 15, 2016 Rogue Baboon.it could be a difference in mentality as you suggest. Or it could be that Newcastle bought in some new firepower for this season. Their goal difference to other teams around them in the top 6 suggests the latter theory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spirit of Lambo 0 Posted September 15, 2016 Agreed. Good teams sometimes play badly and win.... but it does not follow that a team playing badly and winning luckily is a good team. Without doubt we have some very good players - perhaps the strongest overall squad I have ever known - but they are not yet a convincing team and haven''t been since Wembley, now almost 18 months ago.AN is increasingly frantic in the dugout and is in the players ears constantly throughout every game. He often overthinks team selections and substitutions against much weaker opponents instead of letting other teams worry about us. Players pick up on this anxiety and lack real team composure and belief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted September 15, 2016 I''m glad somebody else mentioned how frantic he has become. The amount of whistling was crazy Tuesday night - however it did get me thinkingIs the whistling a good thing? There''s 11 players out there, how do they know who he''s whistling at? Is it not going to distract every player as they try and figure out who it''s aimed at?I''m sure some will say I''m morning for the sake of it however... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted September 15, 2016 Some of you really are overanalysing this, too much whistling is putting the players off ? I hate to think what crowd noise does to them ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted September 15, 2016 But the players aren''t taking instructions off the crowd so they don''t need to pay that much attention to it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drazen Muzinic 1,445 Posted September 15, 2016 Some absolute tosh on this thread.What exactly is a ''good'' team or a ''good'' win?If we play pretty stuff but come away without points, the trolls come out and moan. We see this every time we bravely fail in the PL.If we edge to a nervy 3 points against a ''lesser'' team or scrap hard for a single goal win, a different bunch of keyboard warriors trap on about how poor we are.Be great to win every game 6-0 but that''s not always possible is it?And that''s one of the best things about being a Norwich fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted September 15, 2016 A good old fashioned pantwetting BOOOOOOOOOO! would drown out the whistling.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,755 Posted September 15, 2016 [quote user="Drazen Muzinic"]Some absolute tosh on this thread.What exactly is a ''good'' team or a ''good'' win?If we play pretty stuff but come away without points, the trolls come out and moan. We see this every time we bravely fail in the PL.If we edge to a nervy 3 points against a ''lesser'' team or scrap hard for a single goal win, a different bunch of keyboard warriors trap on about how poor we are.Be great to win every game 6-0 but that''s not always possible is it?And that''s one of the best things about being a Norwich fan.[/quote]We have to win and we have to win convincingly,with a clean sheet, playing very entertaining football,without unpopular players like Martin, Naismith and Whittaker playing and the substitutions have to have the nod of approval by fans. Then,and only then,will some be a little bit happier. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spirit of Lambo 0 Posted September 15, 2016 [quote user="Herman"]["We have to win and we have to win convincingly,with a clean sheet, playing very entertaining football,without unpopular players like Martin, Naismith and Whittaker playing and the substitutions have to have the nod of approval by fans. Then,and only then,will some be a little bit happier".[/quote]Well seeing as you mention it yes most of the things in your list would be quite nice..........win convincingly, keep a clean sheet, entertain, decent substitutions which change a game now and then and actually make a positive difference to the result. We haven''t seen a lot of any of those in the last year and still aren''t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 15, 2016 Oh what have you done Herman?[:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,755 Posted September 15, 2016 [:D]May I suggest that "Lambo" goes and supports Barca if he wants a perfect footballing experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,159 Posted September 15, 2016 Barca! Barca??? Don''t get me started on Barca. Lost 2-1 at home to Alaves on Saturday. Barca are in crisis. Crisis I tell you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted September 15, 2016 [quote user="Thirsty Lizard"]Barca! Barca??? Don''t get me started on Barca. Lost 2-1 at home to Alaves on Saturday. Barca are in crisis. Crisis I tell you![/quote]Lakey knew[;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spirit of Lambo 0 Posted September 15, 2016 Good call Herman....but Barca couldn''t ever replace the Carra! Besides I''ve only just bought my new home shirt! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,159 Posted September 17, 2016 As someone said earlier on the thread - the good thing about playing badly and winning is that the confidence gained just from winning can then lead on to playing well and winning! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites