lake district canary 4,520 Posted September 25, 2016 "Don''t change a winning team" is an age old saying, but for Wednesday, maybe a little tweaking could be necessary? We are not yet playing consistently well and although results are there and the last away performance was excellent - maybe time to bring back Tettey? Or Naismith for his experience in big matches? This is Newcastle away and while they are just another championship club, they have players who can cause more problems than most of the rest of the division. Those that have seen the last few matches, would you put in Tettey for Dorrans - or is he playing well enough to keep Tettey out? Would you bring in Thompson or Mulumbu? The memory of last season''s visit is fresh in all our minds, I''m sure, so a good strong defence and robust midfield is going to be important. How about a 4411 - McGovern Pinto Martin Klose OlssonHowson Tettey Thompson Dorrans Ja Murphy OliveiraStrong midfield, leaving out Wes, but Jacob is more likely to be able to do something on the break. So defend strong and look for a breakaway goal. What do you think should be the changes, if any? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted September 25, 2016 fairly sure Tettey will come in for this one if available.....which means Howson will move further forward at the expense of Hoolahan, or that he will be moved out to the right at the expense of Murphy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buh 0 Posted September 25, 2016 Just got a weird feeling Naismith will playDunno why Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="lake district canary"]How about a 4411 - McGovern Pinto Martin Klose OlssonHowson Tettey Thompson Dorrans Ja Murphy Oliveira[/quote]How about WTF???That setup removes a huge amount of width, as neither Howson nor Dorrans really suit being out to the side instead of centrally, in no way has Thompson played his way into a start over other options, and why the hell would you pick Jacob to play the Wes role when we have Pritchard raring to go and even Naismith who have both played that position FAR more than Jacob? Also, if fit, Jerome has to start.Also, It''s time for Ruddy to return IMHO, I''d personally be looking at this: RuddyPinto, Martin, Klose, Olsson Tettey, DorransJa Murphy, Wes/Pritchard, Brady JeromeBench:McGovernBennettMulumbuHowsonJo MurphyNaismithOliveira Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,290 Posted September 25, 2016 I don''t think we can be so open in this game. A better team than Burton would have punished us for some of the openings we let them have and Newcastle are a better team.We need a defensive midfielder for this one whether it''s Tettey or Thompson. The only question in my mind is whether you then drop one of Dorrans or Howson or one of those two plays a wider role. I suspect he will do the latter.Personally I would bring Bennett in at the back but Neil won''t. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number 9 0 Posted September 25, 2016 Alex Neil took off Tettey v Newcastle and the team capitulated.I don''t think he will make that decision again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havemyhowsonit 0 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="lake district canary"]"Don''t change a winning team" is an age old saying, but for Wednesday, maybe a little tweaking could be necessary?  We are not yet playing consistently well and although results are there and the last away performance was excellent - maybe time to bring back Tettey? Or Naismith for his experience in big matches?  This is Newcastle away and while they are just another championship club, they have players who can cause more problems than most of the rest of the division. Those that have seen the last few matches, would you put in Tettey for Dorrans - or is he playing well enough to keep Tettey out? Would you bring in Thompson or Mulumbu? The memory of last season''s visit is fresh in all our minds, I''m sure, so a good strong defence and robust midfield is going to be important. How about a 4411 -              McGovern   Pinto Martin Klose OlssonHowson Tettey Thompson Dorrans               Ja Murphy                OliveiraStrong midfield, leaving out Wes, but Jacob is more likely to be able to do something on the break. So defend strong and look for a breakaway goal. What do you think should be the changes, if any? [/quote]Anyone with half a brain cell would know Howson CAN''T play right wing and Dorrans on the left is just as bad. Worst team selection idea yet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessingham Canary 99 Posted September 25, 2016 Dorrans has done well, but if Tettey is fit can see him starting, and us parking the bus, just the odd counter attack, and come home home with a point will be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havemyhowsonit 0 Posted September 25, 2016 McGovern Pinto Bennett klose olssonTettey Howson Ja Murphy Pritchard Brady JeromeRuddyHoolahan MartinOliveira DorransJo MurphyThompsonI think Martin has many mistakes in him which will lead to goals for NewcastleGive hoolahan the last half hour (score depending)Keep jerome in the team just for his work rate. Nothing else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted September 25, 2016 I understand like for like changes, but seriously that is possibly the worst line up possibleFor a start, we have 4 straight wins in the league, our only defeat this season was caused by not playing a striker which caused us to deviate from how we had been playing (yes there were other reasons, but to me that was the biggest)Why change formation?Everybody knows where they play and what there role is and it''s working - we are top of the league. We don''t need to be scared of Newcastle, we probably aren''t expected to get anything so it''s almost a free shot. I can understand Oliviera for Jerome, maybe Naismith for Hoolahan and bringing Tettey back in, probably for Dorrans (Howson probably has a better engine imo) but that would be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="lake district canary"]How about a 4411 - McGovern Pinto Martin Klose OlssonHowson Tettey Thompson Dorrans Ja Murphy Oliveira[/quote]How about WTF???That setup removes a huge amount of width, as neither Howson nor Dorrans really suit being out to the side instead of centrally, in no way has Thompson played his way into a start over other options, and why the hell would you pick Jacob to play the Wes role when we have Pritchard raring to go and even Naismith who have both played that position FAR more than Jacob? Also, if fit, Jerome has to start.Also, It''s time for Ruddy to return IMHO, I''d personally be looking at this: RuddyPinto, Martin, Klose, Olsson Tettey, DorransJa Murphy, Wes/Pritchard, Brady Jerome[/quote]Howson and Dorrans played on the right and left effectively in the last championship season on occasion and it makes sure we don''t hand over midfield intiative to Newcastle. The emphasis on width in this game is less important, imo, as more important will be the ability to play on the break - and Ja Murphy''s pace is ideal for that. As for Ruddy - in your words - WTF? What has McGovern done to deserve to be dropped? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,232 Posted September 25, 2016 Why would Naismith replace Wes when Pritchard is sitting on the bench in recent games?Also as others why try to shore up the midfield inviting pressure onto our defence?Our players are good enough to cope with Newcastle.The only change I''d go for is Ruddy in for McGovern and possibly Bennet or Bassong for Martin, Newcastle have a couple big units up top who might play, but wouldn''t be too bothered if the team didn''t change.I don''t think we got out of third gear yesterday and I''m sure there''s more in the tank from theses players.Stick with a winning team and system for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,156 Posted September 25, 2016 Anyone else tempted to send out our "mid week 11"? Seemed to work well last week.Seriously though, we need to think about the players who can struggle with a lot of games - Wes, Jerome.Also we''ve discussed the benefits in this league of RM at CB - is this a game to change him? Tricky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horse Renoir 1 Posted September 25, 2016 This 100% won''t be the team, but I''d love to see something like this--------------Ruddy--------------------Martin Klose Bassong----Pinto----------------------Olsson--------Howson Dorrans------------------Hoolahan------------------Oliviera JeromeI know some players who don''t deserve to be dropped are left out of that lineup but I feel that with how strong Newcastle are from set pieces we could really use the extra CB. We''ve got Hoolahan in his absolute best position, centrally with two strikers infront of him. A creative and industrious centre with width from the fullbacks.Sensibly, and probably rightly I think AN will stick to the same lineup but with Pritchard in for Brady Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dorset Canary 0 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="lake district canary"]How about a 4411 -              McGovern   Pinto Martin Klose OlssonHowson Tettey Thompson Dorrans               Ja Murphy                Oliveira[/quote]How about WTF???That setup removes a huge amount of width, as neither Howson nor Dorrans really suit being out to the side instead of centrally, in no way has Thompson played his way into a start over other options, and why the hell would you pick Jacob to play the Wes role when we have Pritchard raring to go and even Naismith who have both played that position FAR more than Jacob? Also, if fit, Jerome has to start.Also, It''s time for Ruddy to return IMHO, I''d personally be looking at this:                 RuddyPinto,  Martin,  Klose,  Olsson            Tettey, DorransJa Murphy, Wes/Pritchard, Brady                  JeromeBench:McGovernBennettMulumbuHowsonJo MurphyNaismithOliveira[/quote]I''d go with that Indy, Allthough would be just as happy to add another / to read Wes/Pritchard/NaismithWith the right attitude I feel Naismith could offer a solid attacking performance being fully capable of offering strong defensive duties when called on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 497 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="Buh"]Just got a weird feeling Naismith will playDunno why[/quote]I''ve got more chance of playing than Naismith Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted September 25, 2016 The issue with Naismith earlier in the season was being played alongside Wes he they seemed to nullify each other. Playing through the middle instead of Wes removes that issue & leaves us with 2 wide playersAlso, I think as already mentioned he is more likely to put his foot in and be a first line of defence. I think he did enough against Everton to warrant being on the bench against BurtonAt Everton, wasn''t he regarded as a big game player? I seem to remember him putting in good performances against the top teams - arguably this is our biggest, toughest game of the season on paper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Six Pack 89 Posted September 25, 2016 lake district canary states:"Naismith for his experience in big matches" & "This is Newcastle" You want experience against big clubs - yet you suggest we leave Hoolahan out of the team. In the last eight seasons, Hoolahan has been a big player for us and continues to be so. He is one of a few current Norwich players that have the scalps of Manure, Man City, Arsenal hanging from his belt ! He''s beaten Manure at Old Trafford - I don''t think he''ll be faze at the prospect of meeting Newcastle. Did you see a lot of Naismith''s experience against the big clubs last season ? Oh yeah he did for Everton - not anywhere near as impressive doing it for a small club against those powerhouses.I agree that Tettey needs to come back in if fit or if not either Thompson or Mulumbu. Dorrans the one to make way. Our defence is wobbly so if another defensive midfielder to add steel then Howson to be moved out wide in place of Brady. Everybody else remains the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 25, 2016 Never change a winning team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted September 25, 2016 Don''t challenge Lakey''s line up lest you be accused of bullying. #TopTip 😨 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted September 25, 2016 I''d only make one change as I think we need someone like Tettey to come in as we might struggle to give our defense enough protection without him. Not sure who I''d drop though as I''ve been impressed by Dorrans of late and I don''t like it when we try and shoehorn in Howson to a wide position. I could see an argument for dropping Brady for Tettey and playing something like this...McGovernPinto - Klose - Martin - OlssonTettey- DorransMurphy - Howson - WesJeromeCan''t understand why anyone would want to put Naismith back in the team.Oh and LDC that might be the worst possible lineup I''ve seen suggested all season. Dorrans on the left, Murphy in the hole and Thompson starting? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="king canary"]I''d only make one change as I think we need someone like Tettey to come in as we might struggle to give our defense enough protection without him. Not sure who I''d drop though as I''ve been impressed by Dorrans of late and I don''t like it when we try and shoehorn in Howson to a wide position. I could see an argument for dropping Brady for Tettey and playing something like this...McGovernPinto - Klose - Martin - OlssonTettey- DorransMurphy - Howson - WesJeromeCan''t understand why anyone would want to put Naismith back in the team.Oh and LDC that might be the worst possible lineup I''ve seen suggested all season. Dorrans on the left, Murphy in the hole and Thompson starting?[/quote]Why the worst? You agree with my midfield suggestions as far as Tettey in and you''re impressed by Dorrans - and he is a capable left side player and has played there many times in his career. Why is Thompson not ok to start a match? He has been put on more than once as a sub, so presumably is good enough to be considered for a start? My reasoning for Murphy in the hole is clear. Pace. We will need that on Wednesday to counter on the break - and he can go left or right side too. Strong in midfield and defence and pace up front. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 25, 2016 Its almost like you do it on purpose, to court controversy and comments..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nat_canaries 0 Posted September 25, 2016 I can see AN dropping Hoolahan for this with tettey coming in with the only change, making our starting line up to look like this:McGovernPinto, Martin, Klose, OlsonTettey, DorransJacob, Howson, BradyJerome Subs:Ruddy, Bennett, Bassong, Thompson, Hoolahan, Josh, Oliviera Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted September 25, 2016 Morty - I like discussion - there''s nothing wrong with it. My suggested team is one I think makes ok sense. We all have opinions. I would love to see a strong defensive show on Wednesday and some quick breaks ourselves - hence my ideas for the game, for reaons I have clearly explained. You want to keep the same team. Good for you. The rest of us will discuss the possibilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="lake district canary"]Morty - I like discussion - there''s nothing wrong with it. My suggested team is one I think makes ok sense. We all have opinions. I would love to see a strong defensive show on Wednesday and some quick breaks ourselves - hence my ideas for the game, for reaons I have clearly explained. You want to keep the same team. Good for you. The rest of us will discuss the possibilities. [/quote]It really doesn''t make sense at all.Each to their own.But you do do this on purpose, its very obvious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted September 25, 2016 Lakey, your OP is such nonsense its funny. If a team anything like that turns out on Wednesday I''ll drive to the Lake District and give you a tenner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted September 25, 2016 Mental note to self. Don''t bother, it isn''t worth the effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,455 Posted September 25, 2016 @LDCWhy is it the worst? It involves a midfield five with three of them out of position (Dorrans and Howson aren''t wide players yet are out wide, Murphy who is a wide player is in the middle) and a first start for Thompson against one of the most potent attacking forces in the division. You''re also taking out Wes who has been in excellent form this season. We''ve won 5 games on the trot and while I can see a case for a change or two to solidify the midfield, it would be mad to essentially make 5 changes to the midfield (you''ve got no players in the midfielder starting in the same position as v Burton). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 25, 2016 [quote user="lake district canary"]Mental note to self. Don''t bother, it isn''t worth the effort.[/quote]Honestly though, why do you do it?This isn''t bashing, I just can''t get my head round it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites