OT - Big Sam

[morty 0]

Apologies, Midlands yellow is one of those who just logs in here to whinge at me, never to actually discuss football.

[westcoastcanary 0]

[quote user="morty"]Last I checked breaking FA guidelines and policy wasn''t actually punishable with a jail sentence.

Get off your boring high horse, you''re only arguing this because it''s me.[/quote]Always amazes me how many boring high horses you manage to let loose on this board morty. Maybe try keeping  the stable door locked? [:D]

[Hairy Canary 668]

Actually I find it''s really interesting, and that''s despite it being you, amazingly.

A guy claiming benefits that he shouldn''t by not disclosing some work he''s done on the side is worse than a fat cat millionaire back stabbing his employer to get even more cash into a swollen bank account that he will never spend. Yeah right, each to their own moral compass.

[93vintage 16]

I get the impression that the smaller fish and non-criminal end of things are being hunted down to make it look like football is being held to account. The bent administrators, players, referees, media pundits and gambling infrastructure will probably remain relatively untouched.The whole thing is a rigged casino, yet the media are focussing on ethical lapses and bungs.

[morty 0]

[quote user="westcoastcanary"][quote user="morty"]Last I checked breaking FA guidelines and policy wasn''t actually punishable with a jail sentence.

Get off your boring high horse, you''re only arguing this because it''s me.[/quote]Always amazes me how many boring high horses you manage to let loose on this board morty. Maybe try keeping  the stable door locked? [:D][/quote]The outrage from some people is cringeworthy though, like it is somehow new news that theres backhanders in football.Sam has been incredibly stupid, but once the Telegraph release the other names, its going to be seen that the behaviour is pretty commonplace.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Hairy Canary"]Actually I find it''s really interesting, and that''s despite it being you, amazingly.

A guy claiming benefits that he shouldn''t by not disclosing some work he''s done on the side is worse than a fat cat millionaire back stabbing his employer to get even more cash into a swollen bank account that he will never spend. Yeah right, each to their own moral compass.[/quote]One is a breach of a company policy, one is punishable by law.Its that simple.

[morty 0]

[quote user="93vintage"]I get the impression that the smaller fish and non-criminal end of things are being hunted down to make it look like football is being held to account. The bent administrators, players, referees, media pundits and gambling infrastructure will probably remain relatively untouched.The whole thing is a rigged casino, yet the media are focussing on ethical lapses and bungs.[/quote][Y]And Fat Sam is held up as the reason that they have now "cleaned up football."

[Yellow Wal 314]

Isn''t tax evasion punishable by law?

[morty 0]

[quote user="Yellow Wal"]Isn''t tax evasion punishable by law?[/quote]I''ll await the police investigation of Sam then[Y]

[It's Character Forming 1,160]

[quote user="Yellow Wal"]Isn''t tax evasion punishable by law?[/quote]

From the HMRC website :

 

Tax evasion is where there is a deliberate attempt not to pay the tax which is due. It is illegal. We will pursue those who engage in evasion, with serious consequences for those who don’t pay all the tax they owe, from financial penalties to criminal conviction and imprisonment.

[morty 0]

So has Sam evaded tax then?

[westcoastcanary 0]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="westcoastcanary"][quote user="morty"]Last I checked breaking FA guidelines and policy wasn''t actually punishable with a jail sentence.

Get off your boring high horse, you''re only arguing this because it''s me.[/quote]Always amazes me how many boring high horses you manage to let loose on this board morty. Maybe try keeping  the stable door locked? [:D][/quote]The outrage from some people is cringeworthy though, like it is somehow new news that theres backhanders in football.Sam has been incredibly stupid, but once the Telegraph release the other names, its going to be seen that the behaviour is pretty commonplace.

[/quote]Quite, professional football is and always has been corrupt (which before anyone points out, doesn''t mean that everyone involved in it is corrupt). It''s just another aspect of what Lord Ousley said in connection with racism in football, the game has a peculiar nastiness to its culture. People ludicrously  romanticise the game and everything to do with it.

[Indy_Bones 441]

Please note however, that tax evasion does not apply to animals or indeed semi-intelligent plant life, thusly if you wish to avoid any and all charges for this crime, please ensure all accounts are securely registered in the name of your dog, cat, horse or triffid...

[Midlands Yellow 3,946]

How''s it going Morty ? See lots in here agreeing with you !

[93vintage 16]

[quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"]I get the impression that the smaller fish and non-criminal end of things are being hunted down to make it look like football is being held to account. The bent administrators, players, referees, media pundits and gambling infrastructure will probably remain relatively untouched.The whole thing is a rigged casino, yet the media are focussing on ethical lapses and bungs.[/quote][Y]And Fat Sam is held up as the reason that they have now "cleaned up football."[/quote]Yes. And I bet he''ll end up as a BT Sport pundit (please forgive the pun).

[morty 0]

[quote user="Midlands Yellow"]How''s it going Morty ? See lots in here agreeing with you ![/quote]Its pretty obvious that I don''t just come here for agreement from people.You''re really not the sharpest, are you?

[morty 0]

[quote user="93vintage"][quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"]I get the impression that the smaller fish and non-criminal end of things are being hunted down to make it look like football is being held to account. The bent administrators, players, referees, media pundits and gambling infrastructure will probably remain relatively untouched.The whole thing is a rigged casino, yet the media are focussing on ethical lapses and bungs.[/quote][Y]And Fat Sam is held up as the reason that they have now "cleaned up football."[/quote]Yes. And I bet he''ll end up as a BT Sport pundit (please forgive the pun).[/quote]Its pretty interesting where his career goes from here. Once all the hoo ha has died down, I wouldn''t be surprised if he manages again.

[Midlands Yellow 3,946]

Oh but you do and always have done . Irony my friend, irony.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Midlands Yellow"]Oh but you do and always have done . Irony my friend, irony.[/quote]I think its cute you just log in to chat to me.Do you have a boyfriend?

[westcoastcanary 0]

93vintage wrote: "I bet he''ll end up as a BT Sport pundit (please forgive the pun)."More likely he''ll be invited to join the BBC''s assemblage of flawed luvvies along with Joey B et.al., embraced by the beeb to enhance its self-image of edgy broadcasting........

[sgncfc 1,223]

I accept that several posters on here have their own agenda and apparently dislike Morty but he''s completely right in this particular situation.

Big Sam has broken no laws so won''t be facing any criminal charges. He is guilty of gross misconduct so has been dismissed (probably without a payoff despite the Daily Mail article - if he was given a payoff, the employer would be open to an unfair dismissal allegation; unless he has agreed a Compromise Agreement).

The fact that he has been dismissed doesn''t preclude him from getting employment elsewhere, so no reason why he couldn''t appear as a pundit or manage somewhere else - indeed, he has the legal right to obtain gainful employment if he chooses and if he were denied because of an unproven allegation of corruption he would be able to seek legal recourse against those making that allegation.

There you go - 30 years of HR advice distilled into one or two sentences and all free of charge.

Personally, I too suspect this is quite normal behaviour in the world of football. Do we really think otherwise? Getting caught though, and especially in such an obvious sting, shows how clever he is. So I don''t suppose he will be working any time soon.

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

[quote user="westcoastcanary"]93vintage wrote: "I bet he''ll end up as a BT Sport pundit (please forgive the pun)."More likely he''ll be invited to join the BBC''s assemblage of flawed luvvies along with Joey B et.al., embraced by the beeb to enhance its self-image of edgy broadcasting........[/quote]

It will be either Strictly or Great British Bake Off (version 2) for Fat Sam, mark my words

[The Great Drinkell 50]

[quote user="morty"]Thread on TWTD saying they''d have Big Sam.Yup.[/quote]

Birds of a feather .. they say morty, Imagine Big Sam and Marcus Evans everything by the book with them two.

[TCCANARY 263]

[quote user="sgncfc"]I accept that several posters on here have their own agenda and apparently dislike Morty but he''s completely right in this particular situation.

Big Sam has broken no laws so won''t be facing any criminal charges. He is guilty of gross misconduct so has been dismissed (probably without a payoff despite the Daily Mail article - if he was given a payoff, the employer would be open to an unfair dismissal allegation; unless he has agreed a Compromise Agreement).

The fact that he has been dismissed doesn''t preclude him from getting employment elsewhere, so no reason why he couldn''t appear as a pundit or manage somewhere else - indeed, he has the legal right to obtain gainful employment if he chooses and if he were denied because of an unproven allegation of corruption he would be able to seek legal recourse against those making that allegation.

There you go - 30 years of HR advice distilled into one or two sentences and all free of charge.

Personally, I too suspect this is quite normal behaviour in the world of football. Do we really think otherwise? Getting caught though, and especially in such an obvious sting, shows how clever he is. So I don''t suppose he will be working any time soon.[/quote]Thanks for the HR distillation.The other bit about the sting that intrigues me is that Sam had his agent & financial advisor with him. Between the three of them they failed big time or were they so arrogant that all they saw was the money?

 

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

Today''s Telegraph is even more interesting. There is a feeder story about other managers taking bungs from a banned Italian football agent. No one is mentioned by name but this is obviously a warm up story for further revelations.

Not just the Premiership either but Championship managers are easy targets because they are on lower salaries, so the article claims.

I hope none of this involves Norwich City. We haven''t signed any expensive players who turned out to be massive duds, have we?

This story has a long way to run.

[morty 0]

[quote user="sgncfc"]I accept that several posters on here have their own agenda and apparently dislike Morty but he''s completely right in this particular situation.

Big Sam has broken no laws so won''t be facing any criminal charges. He is guilty of gross misconduct so has been dismissed (probably without a payoff despite the Daily Mail article - if he was given a payoff, the employer would be open to an unfair dismissal allegation; unless he has agreed a Compromise Agreement).

The fact that he has been dismissed doesn''t preclude him from getting employment elsewhere, so no reason why he couldn''t appear as a pundit or manage somewhere else - indeed, he has the legal right to obtain gainful employment if he chooses and if he were denied because of an unproven allegation of corruption he would be able to seek legal recourse against those making that allegation.

There you go - 30 years of HR advice distilled into one or two sentences and all free of charge.

Personally, I too suspect this is quite normal behaviour in the world of football. Do we really think otherwise? Getting caught though, and especially in such an obvious sting, shows how clever he is. So I don''t suppose he will be working any time soon.[/quote][Y]

[Indy_Bones 441]

[quote user="Rock The Boat"]I hope none of this involves Norwich City. We haven''t signed any expensive players who turned out to be massive duds, have we?[/quote]Err....I think if you spoke to most people, they''d certainly argue that RvW fits squarely into that category, not to mention Naismith''s performances overall since joining, and don''t forget Mulumbu''s reported 40k a week wage to benchwarm and look disinterested half the time (been better this season to be fair).All that aside, I can''t see any of Hughton, Adams or Neil being involved with the dodgy side of things, so would just be bad luck in player signings rather than bad eggs in the managers chairs...

[Tumbleweed 106]

The benchmark for the FA also has to be higher in my view. they are the sport''s regulator in England and you can''t effectively regulate if you have one of your highest profile employees seemingly looking to do deals to circumvent your own rules plus slagging off others (and your own rules!) to strangers. If I did that at my company I''d almost certainly be dismissed too. The FA would be in an impossible situation if it then wanted to take action against other forms of corruption or take the initiative in further cleansing of FIFA.

I think it is telling that the termination was by "mutual consent", both parties indicating that it was untenable.

I think the FA have acted quite properly in taking firm action, and the DT should be commended for its sleuth work and helping to maybe take a small step to ridding us of the cancerous attitude in football. It takes this sort of thing to create a catalyst for true clean up, it may be years away but you have to start somewhere.

But the real foolishness here was the appointment in the first place- to ignore the mass of evidence, albeit circumstantial, in the rush to get an English manager in place as fast as possible. Allardyce has achieved virtually nothing in the game and even the so-called rescue from relegation was hardly that as he had been in charge for most of the season and created the problem and the underperformance that he had to rescue himself from. Can you imagine the Germans appointing a man almost solely on the basis of avoiding a near self-inflicted relegation?

Good riddance to him.

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

And now Derby County have put out a statement that Nigel Pearson had t not to manage the team at their latest game. Connected?

[shefcanary 2,389]

The more I''ve thought of this overnight and this morning the more I think Norwich have a legitimate position to request a full investigation of what went on at Sunderland under Sam''s tenure. Sure it smacks of bad loser but what the heck - if he did it at England he sure as hell only copied what he had been doing at his previous clubs, and remember the Panorama investigation into his MO in the noughties was never properly followed up by the FA . Whilst Defoe may never have signed for Norwich ("lil club after all") last transfer window, what tempted him to Sunderland and what alerted Sam to his availability in the first place?

The bottom line, Sam is corrupt and got caught no matter how underhand the Sting, another 8 premier and 2 championship managers are also implicated. Time for a level playing field.