Jools 584 Posted August 13, 2016 Right, at this early stage of the season it''s imperative we remain positive and move on from todays abject performance by focusing on top of the League Bristol -- Olsson & Ruddy are unlikely to feature, so please by all means name your prefered starting eleven and formation - subs as well if you so desire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted August 13, 2016 [quote user="Jools"]Right, at this early stage of the season it''s imperative we remain positive and move on from todays abject performance by focusing on top of the League Bristol -- Olsson & Ruddy are unlikely to feature, so please by all means name your prefered starting eleven and formation - subs as well if you so desire.[/quote]Where''s yours? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 13, 2016 [quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Jools"]Right, at this early stage of the season it''s imperative we remain positive and move on from todays abject performance by focusing on top of the League Bristol -- Olsson & Ruddy are unlikely to feature, so please by all means name your prefered starting eleven and formation - subs as well if you so desire.[/quote]Where''s yours?[/quote]I have to keep my selection & formation secret in case the Bristol manager is looking in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted August 13, 2016 [quote user="Jools"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Jools"]Right, at this early stage of the season it''s imperative we remain positive and move on from todays abject performance by focusing on top of the League Bristol -- Olsson & Ruddy are unlikely to feature, so please by all means name your prefered starting eleven and formation - subs as well if you so desire.[/quote]Where''s yours?[/quote]I have to keep my selection & formation secret in case the Bristol manager is looking in.[/quote]Yeah, me too. ************* ****** ***** *********** ****** ***** ***** **** Jerome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 500 Posted August 14, 2016 The way AN picks teams could haveTurner and Whitts to lead the attack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks6 169 Posted August 14, 2016 Canos springs to mind why buy him if you not going to play him.the excuse will be playing catch up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diane 500 Posted August 14, 2016 Back line will be Pinto - Bennett- Klose - Bradythen Tettey in front of themand Jerome will be upfrontNot sure about the rest lol, depends on injuries, Jacob could be back as he was 50/50 today Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lharman7 39 Posted August 14, 2016 McGovernPinto Bennett Klose Brady TetteyCanos Howson Hoolahan Naismith Jerome Will be very surprised if AN varies from this as he often tends to use his squad as a pecking order. Murphy out Canos in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 AN, fielded a 4-2-3-1 against Wednesday, but failed to incorporate the efficiency and the compactness that the double pivot provides - the usage of two holding midfielders in front of the defence is the double pivot that is vital to the effectiveness of said formation.Yesterdays starting line up as a 4-2-3-1 should''ve included Mulumbu alongside Tettey as the other holding midfielder.And inverted wingers should play on their natural sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Move Klose 303 Posted August 14, 2016 McGovernPinto Bennett Klose BradyHowson TetteyNaismith Maddison HoolahanJeromeJones Martin Bassong Mulumbu Murphy Canos Morris Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Move Klose"]McGovernPinto Bennett Klose BradyHowson TetteyNaismith Maddison HoolahanJeromeJones Martin Bassong Mulumbu Murphy Canos Morris[/quote]Which Murphy and why have you got Howson as a holding/defensive midfielder after my previous explanation? [:$]And Maddison to start? Really?If Ruddy, Olsson, Jarvis, Lafferty, Dorrans & Pritchard are all out and provided AN fields the 4-2-3-1 again I suggest the following line-up:McGovernBrady lbTimm Klose cbRyan Bennett cbIvo Pinto rbTettey dmMulumbu dmHoolahan lmcSteven Naismith amcCanos rmcCameron Jerome cf subs:JonesHowsonMartinBassongJosh MurphyJacob MurphyToffolo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Jools"]AN, fielded a 4-2-3-1 against Wednesday, but failed to incorporate the efficiency and the compactness that the double pivot provides - the usage of two holding midfielders in front of the defence is the double pivot that is vital to the effectiveness of said formation.Yesterdays starting line up as a 4-2-3-1 should''ve included Mulumbu alongside Tettey as the other holding midfielder.And inverted wingers should play on their natural sides.[/quote]Re. your reply to Klose, Jools, the above is not so much "an explanation" as an obscure post in need of explanation! What do you mean by saying that AN "failed to incorporate the efficiency and compactness that the double pivot provides" and what difference do you think playing Mulumbu rather than Howson would have made? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,283 Posted August 14, 2016 Have to agree Mulumbu for Tettey and I''d drop Niasmith as he & Wes just confused the issue, bring Wes central, play two wider players in Canos & Murphy.He won''t, it''ll be Whitts at left back with Brady on the wing you watch! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,456 Posted August 14, 2016 How dare anyone question Jools or not give a full explanation if you don''t agree with whatdo he says ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,718 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Jools"]AN, fielded a 4-2-3-1 against Wednesday, but failed to incorporate the efficiency and the compactness that the double pivot provides - the usage of two holding midfielders in front of the defence is the double pivot that is vital to the effectiveness of said formation.Yesterdays starting line up as a 4-2-3-1 should''ve included Mulumbu alongside Tettey as the other holding midfielder.And inverted wingers should play on their natural sides.[/quote]You are Tom Cavendish and i claim my £5. [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 271 Posted August 14, 2016 4231 will work for most teams. Stick with the same structure and hope Pritchard and Jacob return soon.Few teams will be as adept as weds at the packed defence and we were unfortunate to have a restricted choice of subs due to covering ruddy and olsson changes.No need for mass changes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="westcoastcanary"][quote user="Jools"]AN, fielded a 4-2-3-1 against Wednesday, but failed to incorporate the efficiency and the compactness that the double pivot provides - the usage of two holding midfielders in front of the defence is the double pivot that is vital to the effectiveness of said formation.Yesterdays starting line up as a 4-2-3-1 should''ve included Mulumbu alongside Tettey as the other holding midfielder.And inverted wingers should play on their natural sides.[/quote]Re. your reply to Klose, Jools, the above is not so much "an explanation" as an obscure post in need of explanation! What do you mean by saying that AN "failed to incorporate the efficiency and compactness that the double pivot provides" and what difference do you think playing Mulumbu rather than Howson would have made? [/quote]Mulumbu is a more efficient holding midfielder than Howson -- the 4-2-3-1 formation requires the efficiency and compactness that the double pivot provides -- the double pivot is the two holding/defensive midfielders in front of the defence -- Mulumbu is a more efficient holding midfielder than Howson.I''d personally field a 5-3-1-1 formation with attacking wing-backs against Bristol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cobain18 0 Posted August 14, 2016 I''d suggest Hoolahan had a poor game at the weekend and due to age, won''t start Tuesday. Subject to injuries, I''d play:McGovernPinto Bennett Klose Olsson Tettey Howson Canos Naismith Jacob Murphy/Brady JeromeId prefer Jacob Murphy if fit - if Olsson is unfit, push Brady back. Similarly, think Pritchard is up there for a start but would have on bench initially if fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="FenwayFrank"]How dare anyone question Jools or not give a full explanation if you don''t agree with whatdo he says ![/quote]Oh I''m sorry, Frank, I guess the fact I''ve recently been accepted for an FA Level 3 Coaching Course does make me a little forthright on the subject of football at times [:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,456 Posted August 14, 2016 Oh you''re the only expert on football on this forum aren''t you Jools ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daz Sparks 1,144 Posted August 14, 2016 And in no way is Jools blowing his own trumpet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,456 Posted August 14, 2016 A level 3 coaching course, AN must be quaking in his boots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="FenwayFrank"]Oh you''re the only expert on football on this forum aren''t you Jools ?[/quote]The only thing wrong with that sentence is the question mark at the end there [;)]Seriously though, there''s a handful here who seem to know their stuff [Y] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="FenwayFrank"]A level 3 coaching course, AN must be quaking in his boots[/quote][:D] Very droll, Frank [Y] So you now have three contributions to the thread and still no starting eleven or formation for the Bristol game [:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Daz Sparks"]And in no way is Jools blowing his own trumpet.[/quote]Well, Daz, it''s considerably difficult to get accepted for Level 3 so yes, something of an achievement I''d say.I see from your avatar you reached the dizzy heights of centre-half in the Norwich & District Sunday League [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank shoots Skyler 2,094 Posted August 14, 2016 How many games has Howson already played as part of this so called ''double pivot'' for us? That''s the position he''s played the most! Do you think AN is going to have some kind of epiphany and realise that he''s been playing Howson wrong all this time?I agree that the 4-2-3-1 is not ideal for Howson and that he''s better off in a more box to box role, but I also can''t see AN switching to a 4-4-2/diamond to accommodate him. And he''s too good a player to be on the bench.Besides, Tettey and Mulumbu are similar players. If anything it will be Tettey (and his knees) who gets dropped for Mulumbu to complete the two-fold pivoting motion alongside Howson.Perhaps it would''ve worked against Sheff Wed but I don''t consider Bristol as strong, plus we are at home again. Seems a bit negative to go for Tettey and Mulumbu together in the twin-leveraging action you so desire. My team:----------------McGovern-------------------Pinto--Bennett--Klose--Brady--------------Mulumbu--Howson--(double pivot)--Ja. Murphy--Naismith--Hoolahan-------------------Jerome------------------double pivot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Hank shoots Skyler"]How many games has Howson already played as part of this so called ''double pivot'' for us? That''s the position he''s played the most! Do you think AN is going to have some kind of epiphany and realise that he''s been playing Howson wrong all this time?I agree that the 4-2-3-1 is not ideal for Howson and that he''s better off in a more box to box role, but I also can''t see AN switching to a 4-4-2/diamond to accommodate him. And he''s too good a player to be on the bench.Besides, Tettey and Mulumbu are similar players. If anything it will be Tettey (and his knees) who gets dropped for Mulumbu to complete the two-fold pivoting motion alongside Howson.Perhaps it would''ve worked against Sheff Wed but I don''t consider Bristol as strong, plus we are at home again. Seems a bit negative to go for Tettey and Mulumbu together in the twin-leveraging action you so desire. My team:----------------McGovern-------------------Pinto--Bennett--Klose--Brady--------------Mulumbu--Howson--(double pivot)--Ja. Murphy--Naismith--Hoolahan-------------------Jerome------------------double pivot[/quote]Thank you for contributing, Hank [Y]If you look a little further up the thread you''ll see that I''m not in favour of the 4-2-3-1 and only suggested fielding Mulumbu in place of Howson within said formation because the former is better suited to the role required.You''ll also note that I would personally go with a 5-3-1-1 against Bristol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank shoots Skyler 2,094 Posted August 14, 2016 Fair enough. Suppose I was thinking more along the lines of what AN is actually likely to field, rather than my own preferred formation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Hank shoots Skyler"]Fair enough. Suppose I was thinking more along the lines of what AN is actually likely to field, rather than my own preferred formation.[/quote][Y]My 5-3-1-1:McGovernBennett - cbKlose - sweeperMartin - cb [:O]Brady - lwbPinto - rwbHoolahan - lmTettey - dmcHowson - rmNaismith - amcJerome - fsubs:JonesCanósMulumbuBassongJosh MurphyJacob MurphyTurner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted August 15, 2016 @JoolsYou still haven''t explained what you meant by saying that AN "failed to incorporate the efficiency and compactness of the double pivot". All you''ve said is that, having chosen to play 4 2 3 1, AN should have selected Mulumbu rather than Howson alongside Tettey (because Mulumbu is better in that role than Howson). Personally I think you are confusing your budding coach''s understanding of formations with Alex Neil''s actual intentions on Saturday. Has AN anywhere said that he set the team up to play 4 2 3 1, with a double defensive pivot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites