Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 12, 2016 Crafty Canary wrote:Buff Said, I think you''ll find that Southampton bought Redmond before their new manager was appointed. Tilly, I was not criticising the club as I supported the decision to sell him given his overall performances. My point was that had our coaching staff seen that ability in him maybe he might have scored the goals to have kept us up given that Jerome and Mbokani were as fruitful as rotten pears. I do have doubts about the quality of our coaching and hope that Irvine will have a positive impact.Lappinitup, try reading the second sentence of my post above. I look forward to your explanation of how that is a stick to beat the club with.Commenting that IMO the coaching at Colney has not been the best is an opinion not a stick and one I am entitled to make. You just love to try and pick a fight don''t you.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 12, 2016 What a sad old man you must be, trying to stir up trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kirku 1,331 Posted August 12, 2016 [quote]So he coached the 20 year old top scorer at the 1998 World Cup that Henry won with France? And he thinks the 22 year old Redmond will develop to be as good?[/quote]Henry was not top scorer at the 98 WC, Suker was. Henry got 3 goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted August 12, 2016 That the Southampton manager has said something doesn''t make it true. People in football come up with all sorts of nonsense, such as van der Vaart describing the useless van Wolfswinkel as a complete centre-forward. But in this case the Southampton manager may just be indulging in a bit of wishful thinking because he has lost his two leading goalscorers (Pellé and Mané) from last season and so far they haven''t been replaced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 12, 2016 Or maybe he''s just stating an honestly held opinion. Now there''s a thing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey dangler 0 Posted August 12, 2016 [quote user="PurpleCanary"]But in this case the Southampton manager may just be indulging in a bit of wishful thinking because he has lost his two leading goalscorers (Pellé and Mané) from last season and so far they haven''t been replaced.[/quote]You seem to be forgetting that Austin was signed in the January 2016 window. If the manager thinks Redmond is a striker then they have their two replacements and dont forget Long.Unlike us, Southampton have their replacements signed ahead of their sales (Redmond was purchased before their second sale). Thats how a well managed club is run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
i,coopius 0 Posted August 13, 2016 seriously?i saw the thread title, i''d seen the story previously. i thought this would be a complete joke thread, taking the pbut there seem to be people who actually believe this cr@p.sorry redmond who showed flashes of talent whilst here (though mainly with the england u21''s), but never really improved as a player. is now 22. Is apparently similar to thierry henry at the same age (though im sure he''d joined juve by the time he was 21). henry was played (mainly) as a striker at monaco, then a winger at juventus where he never really succeeded, which is why arsenal got him for £12m. was moved to cf by wenger, etc etc. redmond is not a natural finisher, ok he hasnt learnt off bergkamp, but really. the closest post i remember on this thread to reality is the one saying if this is all true then tell southampton russell martin is the new bobby moore.whole story is a joke. move along. move along Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted August 13, 2016 [quote user="Donkey dangler"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]But in this case the Southampton manager may just be indulging in a bit of wishful thinking because he has lost his two leading goalscorers (Pellé and Mané) from last season and so far they haven''t been replaced.[/quote]You seem to be forgetting that Austin was signed in the January 2016 window. If the manager thinks Redmond is a striker then they have their two replacements and dont forget Long.Unlike us, Southampton have their replacements signed ahead of their sales (Redmond was purchased before their second sale). Thats how a well managed club is run.[/quote]No. Wasn''t forgetting Austin, or Long. As to whether Southampton months ago signed their replacement for the departed Pellé in particular, we will see in the last fortnight of the transfer window. But my guess is they will sign at least one striker - who will be the real replacement for Pellé - and that Redmond won''t spend much time at all as a all-out striker in the league, and so your notion of great forward-planning will be shown to be fanciful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted August 13, 2016 [quote user="Crafty Canary"]What a sad old man you must be, trying to stir up trouble.[/quote]So, commenting on your latest in a long line of digs at our club is "stirring up trouble" - but "lining the route to Carrow Rd with burning effigies of Delia" is not?People often make reference to "your daft bro" but it seems to me, he''s got an even dafter one...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 13, 2016 Seems like the organ grinder has given his monkey fresh instructions! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,204 Posted August 13, 2016 Masterclasses repeatedly identified that Redmond was a tactical liability at the top level in the wide midfield position.His lack of positional awareness, particularly when countered, was repeatedly exploited in the Premier (and often in combination with Whittaker in the second tier).At the top level Redmond can be used as an impact substitute when losing a game (£15m is now the going rate for impact subs it appears), though Masterclasses repeatedly advised that he be coached in the 10 role (and that even as a 9 there might be some use in certain line ups). Certainly within the striking limitations that we had last year, a Hoolahan/Redmond combination at least had weapons that would have given the opposition some reason to adjust for.It should be observed that none of the above makes him "the next Thierry Henry" and Purple''s observations may also have weight.Parma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 13, 2016 That Southampton manager doesn''t know what he''s talking about, fancy anyone thinking that Redmond could become a striker like Henry. Oh, hang on whose that striker who has just scored Southampton''s equaliser? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted August 13, 2016 [quote user="Crafty Canary"]That Southampton manager doesn''t know what he''s talking about, fancy anyone thinking that Redmond could become a striker like Henry. Oh, hang on whose that striker who has just scored Southampton''s equaliser?[/quote]One goal doesn''t make him a striker, let alone the new Thierry Henry. I don''t he could play upfront in a 4-4-2 alongside another striker (which I imagine is what happened today) and quite possibly do well. What is almost certainly fanciful, and what I was questioning, is the Southampton manager''s notion that Redmond could become a leading-the-line centre-forward, taking the weight of the attack by himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="PurpleCanary"]what I was questioning, is the Southampton manager''s notion that Redmond could become a leading-the-line centre-forward, taking the weight of the attack by himself.[/quote]Since when did Henry do that???Henry has almost exclusively played with a strike partner, be this Bergkamp, Kanu, Suker, Wiltord, Adebayor or whoever, so whilst Redmond isn''t going to become a "leading-the-line centre-forward", neither was Henry... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 14, 2016 Exactly Indy and as he plays the striker role more, the better he will become. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]what I was questioning, is the Southampton manager''s notion that Redmond could become a leading-the-line centre-forward, taking the weight of the attack by himself.[/quote]Since when did Henry do that???Henry has almost exclusively played with a strike partner, be this Bergkamp, Kanu, Suker, Wiltord, Adebayor or whoever, so whilst Redmond isn''t going to become a "leading-the-line centre-forward", neither was Henry...[/quote]Later on in his career when Wenger switched Arsenal to 4-5-1. Earlier on, I grant, you he played with another striker, but with some of those players you mention (such as Wiltord) he was more the centre-forward, leading the line, than was the other guy. It is that role that I don''t see Redmond fulfilling, if that was what the Southampton manager meant. And I will send nutty £5 for the PUPs if Southampton don''t sign at least one striker before this transfer window shuts... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,656 Posted August 14, 2016 [quote user="Crafty Canary"]Seems like the organ grinder has given his monkey fresh instructions![/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolkn Good 7 Posted August 19, 2016 Still not seeing any glimpses of Terry Henry in him yet...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 19, 2016 You were probably one of those knowledgeable fans who wrote off Harry Kane when he was here on loan. That turned out well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted August 19, 2016 Little boy lost in that first half. Saints desperately need a top class striker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barclay seats 4849 the 3rd 0 Posted August 19, 2016 To be fair , Harry Kane had a good season and a half , was shoite in the euros ,,, and it is yet to be seen whether he is another. " Benteke " for lack of a better analogy . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buh 0 Posted August 19, 2016 Don''t see the point in beating on about thisWe all know his strengths and weaknesses as a playerJust let him get on with it. It''s done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted August 19, 2016 The prices we are quoted for championship strikers 11 mil for redmond was maybe one of the bargains of this window never will be a henry no chance but will be a good premiership player Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) 0 Posted August 19, 2016 He looks poor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks6 169 Posted August 19, 2016 Typical winger 10 games play well in 2 games I will not miss him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolkn Good 7 Posted August 19, 2016 So are you saying he''s the new Harry Kane now Crafty? Or what is your point?Bit of a downgrade from the new Terry Henry if so! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,656 Posted August 19, 2016 [quote user="Crafty Canary"]You were probably one of those knowledgeable fans who wrote off Harry Kane when he was here on loan. That turned out well.[/quote]Please don''t tell me you thought otherwise during his time here Crafty ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted August 19, 2016 Try reading my original post Norfolkngood.1. I''m not saying he''ll be the new Henry, it''s the Southampton manager who has experience of coaching Henry as a young player.2. Due to point 1 it is non-sensible to suggest I''m ''downgrading'' him to a new Harry Kane. 3. I supported selling Redmond as I didn''t feel he was progressing with us.4. My post re Kane was making the point that we can be too hasty in writing off young players. I don''t like loaning in young players such as Gibbs from Arsenal and Kane from Spurs because their performances will be up and down and we are helping to develop them for their parent clubs often at our performances expense. If we are going to play youngsters I would rather they be ours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolkn Good 7 Posted August 20, 2016 So I guess you were just taking the opportunity to have a go at the club with the comment below rather than actually agreeing with their view?"It''s only taken the Southampton coaching system weeks to reach that view. Pity we couldn''t see it. "And the heading ''The new Thierry Henry'' without quotations or a question mark isn''t your view and you don''t agree with it?And no, I didn''t see much in Kane in the few games he played Share this post Link to post Share on other sites