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It''s just a shame the Prem won''t expand to accomodate all the clubs who want to be there. We have spent 4 of the past 5 seasons in it. And yet there are over 40 clubs with richer owners than ours. If our owners are as bad as some made out, i.e. better off dead, then how have they managed this?

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Our owners aren''t bad, in fact for the resources they are prepared to commit to the club they have done a great job but it isn''t enough anymore in my view.

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The depressing thing for me is that it is clear from that interview that the only way we can hope to compete in the future is to get back in the prem so we have the tv monies. If we don''t do that before our parachute payments run out then we are likely to be down in the champ for the long haul as we will not even be able to compete financially with the bigger clubs down here.

And yet with our summer transfer dealings we have left ourselves short in a key area of the squad thus reducing our chances of getting back up within that two year window.

McNally was not my cup of tea in many ways but one thing I do think he fully understood was that first season down was crucial in terms of bouncing back. Hence the signing of several strikers and hence acting swiftly to remove Adams.

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Just listened to the interview ... how depressing.

I don''t understand how, after 4 years of Premier League money out of the last 5, we can be in this position.

To describe Oliveira as a big money signing is stunning and proves how dislocated the club are from the new realities of English football. As the months and years roll by we''ll see more and more Championship sides replicating Bournemouth, Watford and Wolves and waving at us as they glide by.

I can see Neil leaving by Christmas and a ''shrewdly affordable'' new guy coming in to roll the dice again.

I''m left fearing that we are just a small and unfashionable club that won the lottery with Paul Lambert only to lose the ticket before cashing it in. And I don''t mean that in a purely financial sense alone.

I have a feeling that in years to come we''ll look back at this spell of time (since Lambert took the reins) and see it as a major missed opportunity.

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Look with the exception of Alex we are all bitterly disappointed we need to use this energy to oust the Stowmarket Duo once and for all.

The process needs to start at the next home game when the crowd let them know of their anger

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[quote user="The young canary"]Look with the exception of Alex we are all bitterly disappointed we need to use this energy to oust the Stowmarket Duo once and for all.

The process needs to start at the next home game when the crowd let them know of their anger[/quote]

I wonder how many will step out from behind their keyboards and vent their anger?

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We''re set for decades in the wildnerness if and until new equity is introduced into the club. We cannot compete in the premier league. Apparently, we can no longer compete in the championship. And the ''little ole Norwich'' mentality lives on among board and many supporters alike.

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Was perfectly happy with the ownership before, doing their best and running the club as a co-op, great, but i thought at the same time they were looking for and open to investment and being taken over.

To hear they''re flat out refusing the idea is deflating as hell to hear.

Why? The only reason I can think of is so they can keep the club in their family (People who have done f all bar be born into a rich and famous family.) Flat out refusing any offers because they want to carry on owning it isn''t, imo, putting the clubs best interests first. Which is what they claim to always do

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A dose of realism for us from the ceo.  What we all know is that we are run on business lines and within our means.  A welcome and necessary approach and one of the few  successful football clubs to do this.  Instead of belly aching about it and wishing our club away to some outside investor, I wish those that are never happy somehow get a dose of enlightenment and learn to appreciate the status and well being of our club and that we should be proud of the way it is run.  The way I see it is that the quality in the squad has gone up and up over the last seven years.  The depth in it now is just so good that we have to send very good players away on loan to make sure they stay competitive.  It is quite plain that all the money we have including the parachute money, goes into wages to be able to keep our best players.  That inevitably means there will not be huge amounts of money for really big transfers, so in that way it is right and proper we didn''t overeach to get one over priced striker. As for ambition, the best that can be said is that we appear intent on keeping our best players. We could by all accounts have cashed in on Klose, Brady and Olsson, but we didn''t. We have kept a very strong squad. That means we will be there or there abouts at the end of the season.  AN is the man tasked with the job. We can always improve, tweak things, learn to do things better, but the ceo has explined things pretty well. Complaints on here so often about the club are so often just showing envy because we can''t do what Villa and Newcastle have done. Well I''m totally glad we haven''t.  We are a healthy successful club and it is about time people stopped wishing our club away to someone else.

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It''s shamefully subjective really, when if we had signed McCormack as well as Oliviera we''d probably all be as happy as pie.

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This post if it shows anything is the difference between the two distinct groups of City supporters. Change will only come when we stop getting 22k season ticket holders and almost full houses, casual supporters are now showing disinterest as general sale tickets are still available on match day.

Maybe different re Cardiff waiting to see latest car crash.

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[quote user="Ricky Spanish"]Was perfectly happy with the ownership before, doing their best and running the club as a co-op, great, but i thought at the same time they were looking for and open to investment and being taken over.

To hear they''re flat out refusing the idea is deflating as hell to hear.

Why? The only reason I can think of is so they can keep the club in their family (People who have done f all bar be born into a rich and famous family.) Flat out refusing any offers because they want to carry on owning it isn''t, imo, putting the clubs best interests first. Which is what they claim to always do[/quote]

With you on that Ricky, and that interview was possibly the most depressing I''ve heard - have had no problem with the owners but to be flat out against the possibility of a takeover is quite concerning I.e if a MEGA rich individual that really DID have our clubs best interests at heart was turned down then I''d be very very disappointed - a takeover of EXACTLY that nature I would embrace and personally have never said otherwise. Sorry negative folk if I yet again demonstrate my views are actually very balanced regarding our club, I''ll try not to of course, I know you''re only allowed to think one way or the other on here 😉

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That''s very good LDC, but if we go up we can''t compete with other teams in the Prem. If we don''t go up, even worse we are adrift come January, how do we keep those players you talk about?

So this time next year, we haven''t gone up, our best players have left and we cannot compete with yet more teams in the championship?

It''s not an entirely unrealistic scenario

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If you take this to its logical conclusion and all 20 Premiership clubs are owned by billionaires, the fact remains that 3 of those clubs will be relegated at the end of the season. I am not saying that having rich owners do not help, but it is not a guarantee of success, I dread to think how much Man City have spent since their multi billionaire took over, they should be winning the Premiership and the Champions League on a regular basis......but they have not.....and they change managers on a regular basis. QPR have tried the throw money at it to get promotion, that went well, it will be interesting to see of Villa succeed with this approach. You need to ask yourselves what happens when the rich owner gets bored, or worse have a look at that lot down the road that are owned by a rather dubious individual, the days of their fans waving tenders at us seem such a dim and distant memory.....

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[quote user="Rogue Baboon"]That''s very good LDC, but if we go up we can''t compete with other teams in the Prem. If we don''t go up, even worse we are adrift come January, how do we keep those players you talk about?

So this time next year, we haven''t gone up, our best players have left and we cannot compete with yet more teams in the championship?

It''s not an entirely unrealistic scenario
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Maybe someone could ''war game'' your scenarios using FifaChampionshipManager 2016?

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[quote user="Rogue Baboon"]That''s very good LDC, but if we go up we can''t compete with other teams in the Prem. If we don''t go up, even worse we are adrift come January, how do we keep those players you talk about?

So this time next year, we haven''t gone up, our best players have left and we cannot compete with yet more teams in the championship?

It''s not an entirely unrealistic scenario[/quote]

The future is in the young squad members coming through.  If we don''t get back this year or next, that is  that is the building for the future.  If we look as if we then can''t compete at that stage, I think that would be the time to look for new investment, not now, when the club is in a good place, stable financially and good, squad wise.

 

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[quote user="lake district canary"] I think that would be the time to look for new investment, not now, when the club is in a good place, stable financially and good, squad wise.

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you dont wait for it to go wrong before you invest, you have to strengthen whilst youre doing well, that what keeps you there

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The fact is that the little "white lie" many of us suspected for many years has been exposed. The board have always chosen their words with care when they have talked of being open to or seeking "investment." Moxey has now blundered in and exposed their little deception in the space of one month.

Of course no investors are interested if they can''t have control or at least a degree of control. By maintaining their stance Delia and MWJ have ensured no interest in investing in the club and it appears will continue to do so. All fine if you maximise the opportunities available to you having got to the prem but we didn''t and now we appear not to be trying that hard to take advantage of the parachute payments we receive.

They certainly have not been and are not bad owners of the football club but I do fear that if we are to remain as their personal "debt free at all costs" plaything we will get left behind sooner rather than later.

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[quote user="Alex "][quote user="Ricky Spanish"]Was perfectly happy with the ownership before, doing their best and running the club as a co-op, great, but i thought at the same time they were looking for and open to investment and being taken over.

To hear they''re flat out refusing the idea is deflating as hell to hear.

Why? The only reason I can think of is so they can keep the club in their family (People who have done f all bar be born into a rich and famous family.) Flat out refusing any offers because they want to carry on owning it isn''t, imo, putting the clubs best interests first. Which is what they claim to always do[/quote]

With you on that Ricky, and that interview was possibly the most depressing I''ve heard - have had no problem with the owners but to be flat out against the possibility of a takeover is quite concerning I.e if a MEGA rich individual that really DID have our clubs best interests at heart was turned down then I''d be very very disappointed - a takeover of EXACTLY that nature I would embrace and personally have never said otherwise. Sorry negative folk if I yet again demonstrate my views are actually very balanced regarding our club, I''ll try not to of course, I know you''re only allowed to think one way or the other on here 😉[/quote]

Let''s be clear about one thing : mega rich individuals only have their own best interests at heart.

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[quote user="John C"]Let''s be clear about one thing : mega rich individuals only have their own best interests at heart.[/quote]But they''re not mega rich, that''s the problem, or at least part of it.

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[quote user="OldRobert"][quote user="John C"]Let''s be clear about one thing : mega rich individuals only have their own best interests at heart.[/quote]But they''re not mega rich, that''s the problem, or at least part of it.[/quote]

Yes, but my point was in reply to a post suggesting that what we need is a mega rich owner to buy the club and that would be in the best interests of the club.

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Only if the prospective mega-rich owner has Socialist leanings, is also a family member or close friend of the current owners - and will let Nephew Tom remain as a Director.......

Then the prospective mega-rich owner will sail through the interview, as he/she would certainly meets the strict qualities, attributes and criteria - that our majority shareholding duo, will insist upon........

Not gonna happen then.......is it?

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John C - I thought I was crystal clear about what I said, a mega rich owner wasn''t enough, the important part of the pipe dream (and that''s all it is realistically) was that they had the clubs best interests at heart. So not a Venky''s but rather a Norfolk person worth several hundred million that actually supports or follows NCFC in some capacity. But as I say, it''s a pipe dream unfortunately. So as it stands, I will go with what Paul Lambert used to say - ''we''ll go with what we''ve got''.

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Fair enough but to be clear, my opinion is that people who are mega rich (and that of course does not include our current owners) are by definition only interested in their own best interests ; so, when the best interests of the club they have bought no longer coincide with their best interests then there is a conflict of interests and only one loser - the club. So, I suppose I am saying be careful of what you wish for.

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