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Straw Poll- Who would like Delia and MWJ to sell the club?

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Def not. We are actually treading through fairly light waters at the moment. Accounts are balanced. The squad is strong, bar the lack of goal scorers. We have a manager that has the potential to be very successful. We are not a sell out club. Maybe back in the days we were. But look what happened, we bounced back. And we didn''t do it with overseas investment. The BOD are doing an amazing job given their resources. No from me.

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[quote user="alex_ncfc"]Absolutely 100% yes. Their time has LONG since expired. They are clueless and only had a reprieve by getting lucky with Lambert to give us a solid financial footing and a few years in the Premier League. They''ve shown absolutely zero ambition to get there - we''ve had to suffer:

Worthington, who they clearly didn''t want to sack but things got nasty and had no choice.

Grant and Roeder, say no more.

BRYAN GUNN...FFS

Then they got lucky with Lambert and since then have shown no signs of effort, ambition or desire to establish us in the top flight, even though we''ve had opportunities to do so. And then to add to the list above we then got the delight of...

Neil Adams...FFS.

Because that showed ambition to get promotion didn''t it?

If ever you needed evidence that they don''t have a clue and want to do everything on the cheap, just look at the names above. They are too sentimental, and seem more than happy for the club just to exist rather than actually say "let''s go for it!" - and now it seems they have a new yes-man in Moxey, who is talking like Neil Doncaster did.

But to sum up - yes. They should put the club up for sale. Christ, they have had 20 years! They''ve had their fun. It''s time to let somebody else (who isn''t their newphew!) have a go.[/quote]

I  dare say there are others who hold your views, but I hope not many. Let''s go through your list shall we...Worthington - yes, they wanted to keep him, fans forced the issue - things went well when he left didn''t they.......Grant - a gamble, yes, cheap, yes, but with us getting in dire staits into debt a that time, a necessary step. Roeder - a more expensive choice, ok to start with, but the debt now getting out of hand and loanees the only option, things were never going to go well.Gunn - much said about this one, but rebuilt a squad from nothing after relegation, gave us a positive outlook for the season (if you can''t remember the enthusiasm and positivity before that season and up to the first game, you''re not trying). And of course he got us Grant Holt.Lambert - (via McNally) - yeah, pure luck - nothing to do with their abilty to attract McNally in the first place was there??Adams - this really gets me - he set us off on an incredibly positive path in that championship season. He couldn''t sustain it, but his part in the success that season should be lauded every much as AN imo.  Then the right decision was made to get AN - a good decision wouldn''t you agree? I''m sure you''ll dredge up some other stuff you don''t like - but on balance, with a club that on resources, by rights shouldn''t have been anywhere near the premier league, we have been there in four of the five last seasons. That they lack the resources of a very rich owner is true, but that should not be a stick to beat  them with.  If a rich investor who would protect the communty values of our club could be found, I''m sure they would have been considered - and they''ve said as much.  Have their fun?? If you think they are there for fun, you really are up the creek without a paddle.  I should imagine it''s been as much a roller coaster for them as it has been for us - probably much more so with the stakes of survival of the club being so high, especially early on in their tenure.  They earned the right to be at the top of our club, they are also fans through and through and at present we are still on a positive route, even though the last couple of performances were not great. Unbeaten until Birmingham, one bad loss does not destroy a club.  Be careful what you wish for. Change does not necessarily mean for the better.

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No.

Anyone boring on about Brexit, and keeping our destiny in our own hands, now want a rich foreign sugar-daddy for the club?

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Sell up, and I hope the new benefactor has a clear out of the current board.......No cronyism, no nepotism, no timewasters and no left wing politics.......If you don''t bring anything to the table, go!

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I don''t often post but having watched the debate develop and listening to both sides of the discussion I think it is time for them to sell up and get the appropriate sugar daddy in to bank roll the club

Not just players but the modernisation of Carrow Road and the training facility. Build a brand that is recognised across Europe and a permanent member of the premier league.

I am afraid the current owners can''t do any of this with their limited resources

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Seems that there are quite a few on here who want a nice cuddly type of investor who is prepared to spend a few hundred million to get us established as a premier team; would stick with us through times of adversity; maintain community links etc etc - a one way bet - a football Father Christmas!Trouble is, everybody wants one! As Ricardo pointed out, if you sell up to a foreign billionaire (or a domestic one) you are likely to get hard, ruthless capitalism. We''ve seen how that works with other clubs - especially one down the road! It wasn''t that long ago that we had regular posters on here jealous of the fact that an "ambitious" chairman. Look what happened after, Keane blew all the money away and with it, the owner''s enthusiasm! Ditto Villa, although they were lucky enough to seem him prepared to lose his hundreds of millions after relegation - we couldn''t rely on that happening - more likely, they grind on until something happens to allow them to recoup their money - a freak promotion a la Mick McCathey relentless hoofball perhaps - a property deal to sell the training ground/ stadium; player sales to cover losses?I''m no expert and there are those on here that are far better informed than I am, but when you read some of the tales of billionaire owners - ask Blackburn fans what they think or Portsmouth! The recent TSF speaks of an ex-premier club, that is being retained by its club, solely until planning permission comes through on some land it has.You can say, as an earlier poster did, "I would hate a Tony Fernandez, Marcus Evans, Venky etc" - the truth is that if you sell the club, you can''t stop it!Basically it is a choice between doing it right and patiently building the success of the club or some form of casino ride. Ultimately remember that billionaire capitalists generally want to make money. If the gamble of quick promotion and premier league money doesn''t work, there are other ways they could bleed the assets of a solvent club.

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i think theyve done a good job with the money theyve had, but football has moved on, they cant afford to be competitive anymore

 its not 1970 anymore, the family jewels have all been sold, stop acting like some idealistic hippy commune and accept that the capitalists won, this is a big money business and we are the equivalent of some guy selling veg off his allotment out of his garage, its all quite admirable but everyone inevitably goes to tescos.If they have the best interests of the fans at heart (and lets face it the fans want to be a competitive top flight club, like we used to be) then they will seek out a big money takeoverso yes, do us a favour and sell

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FCC - "No.

          Anyone boring on about Brexit, and keeping our destiny in our own hands, now want a rich foreign sugar-daddy for the club?"Sorry - didn''t see this before - exactly - and far more succinct than I managed! [:)]

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No for me. Would rather be mediocre than have some "investor" come in and strip away the reasons this club is special to me. As some have mentioned it''s a big part of the community that does many fantastic things for so many. There are far more clubs who have had bad experiences rather than good with outside investment. We could end up being called the Norwich Canaries, playing in red for marketing purposes in a soulless stadium outside the city, all our players being signed by the same agent who''s cashing in on naive owners, players faces on Mr Potato crisps, official club wines, training kit sponsors, debt loaded onto the club to buy the club, owners dicking about on twitter, managers who think cheese can heal injuries, ticket touts using our club as a tax write off, owners hiding behind offshore tax havens and shell companies so we never have someone to hold to account, assets being passed to their other companies or the likes of the Cellinos and Oystons who actually treat the fans terribly and actually feel it''s okay to abuse them.

I''ll stick with Michael and Delia thanks. I can deal with them not being as rich as other owners. It''s nothing in comparison to some of the stuff I hear from fans of many clubs. Have been told often, how lucky we are to have owners who get what the club means to the fans.

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Selling the club will be a risk.........There are those that use the fear factor of a ''bogie man/woman'' taking over the club and asset stripping it, rebranding it - or using it as a rich man/woman''s plaything and any other scary notion that will supposedly arise, as an excuse to maintain the comfy equilibrium. They don''t like change. Folk who don''t like change, get left behind. .......

I personally think as a club we have to take that risk.......26,000 every week, a travelling support that other club''s would envy - and a catchment area that will ensure that support will not wane......A serious rich business person will look at this club in many aspects and see huge potential. Hopefully bring in like minded individuals to replace members of the cosy NCFC board who don''t actually bring anything to the table.....Take that risk, and sell......

But, it''s only my personal opinion......

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under the current owners the club has out performed the majority of similar sized clubs. Only Swansea and west brom have done better in recent years. It has been an entertaining roller coaster for most of the time.

I''ve therefore no doubt the miserablists would still carry on moaning if they got their wish and we became a trophy for a Chinese investor.

The internet merely gives many the opportunity to share their negativity and demonstrate their ignorance. They have clearly never run a business done a business deal or achieved anything in their lives compared to the owners.

I''ve

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The ability to post on the Internet with no experience or qualifications does not make you an expert.

That the uk could not grasp basic common sense economics and ignored consensus expert opinion demonstrates the woeful lack of investment in general education by the elite ruling classes.

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[quote user="Mello Yello"]Yeah, everyone who posts on here are just empty headed fruit trough wipers.......and voted out from the EU.....[/quote]I wouldn''t say everyone.........

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Sell out to Sir Shifty Greene he would soon get rid of Lafferty and Naismith, plus all the over paid bench warmers, also the TV hugging ground staff that keep digging holes on the pitch at half-time plus the Catering Manager who cannot get the sausage rolls order correct. Add to all those in the Ticket Office who look up when you come in and ignore you.

Sell the TV screen back to BB Adams

The list is endless

Happy Sunday Prayer

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Some years ago I posted on the switch in English football from economics (crudely, the wealth of the area in which the club was situated) to finance (again, crudely, the size of the wallet in the owner’s back pocket).The current debate on Smith and Jones raises the question of whether there has been another shift, to a third type of financial underpinning, or whether it is just that the back-pocket financial model is evolving and even less to our advantage than was the case.In terms of individual wealth (trusting to Wiki and a couple of assumptions) not only are all the Premier League owners richer than S&J, but so are all bar the owners of Burton Albion in the Championship, and there are at least six richer owners in League 1 and a couple at least in League 2.The list does indicate a sort-of semi-shift - from private wealth used by individuals at least in part as an ego-trip (owning a famous football club brings prestige) to state involvement. The Man City investment is essentially from the UAE, plus China. And Aston Villa, West Brom, and Wolves are now all Chinese-owned.It is not clear if the Chinese government is behind any of those deals, but they (and others on the continent) have clearly been prompted by the 50-point plan published by Beijing last year aimed at making China a world footballing power. So a combination of prestige (personal and state) and some kind of symbiotic relationship (in theory) benefiting the European clubs and the game in China.Whatever the motivation, for now, though, it doesn’t in essence represent a different model. The squillions are just coming from an extra source. But it does mean Norwich City are slipping further down the wealth list.(And certainly in the Championship Financial Fair Play is doing nothing to stop owners using their wealth unfairly...actually, not true. It is one of those myths. It is having an effect. Much was made of Bournemouth cheating their way to promotion in 2014-15, and they did, as earlier did QPR. Fulham and Nottingham Forest also transgressed, and got hit with an embargo, and Millwall were spared punishment because of relegation. But the other 20 clubs played by the rules. That is a system that is generally working. And Bournemouth will get fined if they get relegated, as QPR will be, eventually, once the lawyers have earned enough money. It is early days, but one suspects that if Aston Villa fail to get promoted they could be in FFP trouble).The arguments for and against a change of ownership have been well-rehearsed here many times. Two points should be stressed, one old and one new. Firstly, we shall see if Brexit means Brexit, but a sale would be irrevocable. One has to assume a new owner would want total control, and that would include the ability to sell the club on to whomsoever they fancied once they got bored or had lost enough money. The first new owner might pass the S&J suitability test (and that of posters here) but the second new owner could be everyone’s nightmare, with nothing anyone could do about it. It is easy for posters on this thread to advocate taking a risk. I doubt very few of them would have the courage if they were sitting on the board of directors.(There is an idealistic solution to this, which I proposed nearly a decade ago - that the prospective new owner would agree to a supporter-director with a golden-share veto on such crucial heritage issues, but finding such a well-meaning owner might prove difficult).The second point concerns the current modish mantra, that we need new investment to stay or become again competitive. This misses a fundamental truth, because it supposes there is some kind of steady-state competitiveness plateau to be attained. But by the very capitalist nature of professional football as it is financed, if Norwich City threaten to draw level then rival clubs will invest more, or get sold to someone even richer. What may look like a one-off permanent solution for us will either only work for a short while or force us to lock ourselves into a spiral of spending trying to keep up with much better-heeled clubs.

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All these Saint Delia posts and how she just wants whats best for Norwich City , well lets for one moment suppose there was a Norfolk born Nowich City supporting billionaire out there wanting to buy and invest in the club the answer he would get would be the the club IS NOT FOR SALE . Clearly there is something to be gained from owning a football club and i dont mean prestige , Delia clearly wants Tom to be next in line for the rewards , nobody would want to hand over a money losing enterprise to the nephew would they .The Jones''s are in this for the Jone''s make no mistake about that .

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[quote user="Dead Canary"]What do you think they get out of it CanaryOne?[/quote]The same thing everybody wants who buys a football club , do you really think Dr Xia is spending all those millions because he loves Villa ? no its because if he gets them promoted there is money to be made and a lot of it . Marcus Evans supposedly funding Ipswich''s £8 million a year losses ? why he''s not even a supporter so in some way you can bet he is showing a profit on his investment . All these foreigners suddenly wanting to own English football clubs , why ? in the words of a Abba song title Money Money Money .

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CanaryOne wrote: "All these foreigners suddenly wanting to own English football clubs ,

why ? in the words of a Abba song title Money Money Money "Actually

these foreigners don''t simply want to "own English football clubs", they

are generally rather particular in their choice of club, that choice

being informed by professional advice from people who spend their lives

analysing the investment potential of possible takeover targets. You clearly must have commissioned such a report on NCFC, you''re so sure we are a ripe investment plum ready for picking if only there wasn''t a "Not for Sale" sign on Carrow Road. 

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