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[quote user="Crafty Canary"]morty wrote the following post at 13/09/2016 10:06 AM:

So basically Crafty, you have F-all.

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Just like you so my opinion is no less valid. As I have repeatedly said none of us have the information to know what is correct or incorrect.[/quote]I have the opinion and facts of a respected sports journalist.You have an irrational hatred of Delia Smith.[:)]

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[quote user="norfolkngood"]Blackburn were fine before Walker died thats where that started to go wrong as others didnt have his money or passion The thing i worry about we have no money now , what happens when Delia and Micheal Stand down / leave / pass away and Tom gets the club Tom has not even got Their wealth so we will be in a worse position[/quote]


True, that''s a worry for me too.  They need to plan now for succession.    Which they''re doing by introducing him to the business now.  It''s a shame it couldn''t be someone more substantial in his own right, and with him being relatively young and unknown, I am dubious about how it will work out.  But that''s clearly what they''re looking to do.

 

For me I''d rather the Barcelona-type model where clubs are owned on behalf of the fans, sadly that''s not going to happen in England unless there''s a sea-change of attitudes.

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This is my Point at the moment the club is debt free and run like that so when handed to Tom he has a clean slate

Delia and Micheal have a worth of 23 million ( just say )

Now if the club needed 3/4/5 million for something desperately i am sure they could if needed pay / lend that

(talking something like going down to div 1 etc )

now if and when they leave we have a owner in Tom who has not got 23 million wealth ( not that i know but doubt )

So we now have in football terms Poor owners but when they leave we will have a even poorer owner unless he is left the whole wealth of Delia and Micheal

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[quote user="norfolkngood"]This is my Point at the moment the club is debt free and run like that so when handed to Tom he has a clean slate

Delia and Micheal have a worth of 23 million ( just say )

Now if the club needed 3/4/5 million for something desperately i am sure they could if needed pay / lend that

(talking something like going down to div 1 etc )

now if and when they leave we have a owner in Tom who has not got 23 million wealth ( not that i know but doubt )

So we now have in football terms Poor owners but when they leave we will have a even poorer owner unless he is left the whole wealth of Delia and Micheal[/quote]I should imagine that, even in retirement, Delia and Michael wouldn''t see the club go short.

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="norfolkngood"]This is my Point at the moment the club is debt free and run like that so when handed to Tom he has a clean slate

Delia and Micheal have a worth of 23 million ( just say )

Now if the club needed 3/4/5 million for something desperately i am sure they could if needed pay / lend that

(talking something like going down to div 1 etc )

now if and when they leave we have a owner in Tom who has not got 23 million wealth ( not that i know but doubt )

So we now have in football terms Poor owners but when they leave we will have a even poorer owner unless he is left the whole wealth of Delia and Micheal[/quote]I should imagine that, even in retirement, Delia and Michael wouldn''t see the club go short.[/quote]Based on Etty''s age and faculties I''d say that Delia has a few more years in her yet.

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Norfolk, if Delia and Michael are effectively handing over the club to Tom, why wouldn''t they also hand over their wealth in some form or another?

Why do you think Tom would be potless?

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I have read this thread without dipping my toe in the water so far but having looked again at the Mick Dennis article on MFW and like a few riased my eyebrows at the statement about 2009 and he tried to interest David Sullivan in purchasing Norwich City.This David Sullivan.........

With his partner, David Gold, Sullivan''s first business venture was selling soft pornography photos. They expanded into sex shops, adult magazines and several low-budget blue movies, making Sullivan a millionaire by the age of 25.[6] By the late 1970s, he was in control of half of the adult magazine market, including major titles such as Playbirds and Whitehouse,[7] 80% of the adult mail order market, and 150 shops.

In the late 1970s he produced several low-budget British sex movies including Come Play with Me (1977) (directed by Harrison Marks). This was followed by The Playbirds (1978), Confessions from the David Galaxy Affair (1979) and Queen of the Blues (1979), all starring his then-girlfriend Mary Millington. After Millington''s suicide in August 1979 he continued with Mary Millington''s True Blue Confessions (1980) and Emmanuelle in Soho (1981).

In 1982 Sullivan was convicted of living off immoral earnings and

after a successful appeal was released after serving 71 days in prison.[8]

Sullivan explained that he did not feel embarrassed about the initial

source of his early fortunes. "I''ve made a lot of people happy,” he saidNow with us having such community based values and a fear of rich foreigners who would surely only be in it for their own ends what on earth was Mick Dennis thinking and would such a move sat comfortably with our fans ?

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Well not knowing all of Delias family

their estate may well be split up

so Nephew Tom gets the club ( looks likely )

the remaining cash / estate / wealth ( 23 mil ) may go to other members of the family

leaving us with a owner of the club but without the 23 mil wealth behind him

Tom worked as a civil servant i don''t think he has got millions stashed away unless he was like James Bond as he always kept the casino winnings !

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]Now with us having such community based values and a fear of rich foreigners who would surely only be in it for their own ends what on earth was Mick Dennis thinking and would such a move sat comfortably with our fans ?[/quote]The big question for me is "was he asked by the owners to approach Sullivan or was it his own idea"?I find it difficult to believe that someone with Delia''s image and religious background offering to sell the club to two guys who had made their money in the sex industry. Conversely, even if Sullivan had accepted his invitation and made an offer, I couldn''t see Delia accepting them for exactly the same reasons.As Judge Judy would say, "If it doesn''t make sense, it probably isn''t true"My guess is, Mick is a journalist and by sending that e-mail he knew if he got a reply from Sullivan he had a story to sell whatever the reply.

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[quote user="Mello Yello"]Didn''t see MD in the Director''s Box last night...... (That''s not a euphemism, by the way)........[/quote]

Mick and his wife have season tickets in the Jarold Stand for home games and also are seen in the away end at most of the away games

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[quote user="norfolkngood"]Well not knowing all of Delias family

their estate may well be split up

so Nephew Tom gets the club ( looks likely )

the remaining cash / estate / wealth ( 23 mil ) may go to other members of the family

leaving us with a owner of the club but without the 23 mil wealth behind him

Tom worked as a civil servant i don''t think he has got millions stashed away unless he was like James Bond as he always kept the casino winnings ![/quote]

Or alternatively NFG, Delia and MWJ have no children (hence Nephew Tom coming on board) and the rest of the family already have their own careers and means so they get left a nominal amount and the rest gets left in a trust for the club... Also not knowing the family I wouldn''t like to say which is more likely, but the amount of time, devotion and obvious love for the club the two of them have I wouldn''t be at all surprised if that is what happened.

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morty wrote the following post at 14/09/2016 9:21 AM:

Crafty Canary wrote:

morty wrote the following post at 13/09/2016 10:06 AM: So basically Crafty, you have F-all. 😁 Just like you so my opinion is no less valid. As I have repeatedly said none of us have the information to know what is correct or incorrect.

I have the opinion and facts of a respected sports journalist.

You have an irrational hatred of Delia Smith.

Smile [:)]

You have the opinion of a friend of Delia''s and no way of knowing for certain if these are factual.

I have a healthy cynicism of the Delia cult of saintly benefaction towards NCFC and its fans.

I certainly don''t hate Delia and indeed cannot think of anyone in or around my life whom the word hate could be applied to. Such emotion is ridiculous when applied to opinions on a football forum.

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[quote user="Diane"][quote user="Mello Yello"]Didn''t see MD in the Director''s Box last night...... (That''s not a euphemism, by the way)........[/quote]

Mick and his wife have season tickets in the Jarold Stand for home games and also are seen in the away end at most of the away games[/quote]Yes that may well be so my Little Angel but believe me they sit in the directors box several times during the course of a season. See it with my own eyes from my seat.

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Nutty Nigel wrote the following post at 13/09/2016 10:24 AM:

I''m not the brightest so could someone tell me what ambivalent means? Does it have anything to do with burning effigies?

Whilst the first sentence of your post is readily believable Nutty we all know the second isn''t. It also has nothing to do with voting no confidence in Delia as a director at a public meeting whilst continuing to find her blameless of anything. I think you will find the word hypocracy covers that.

BTW do you agree with your lad that Delia and the rest of the board are Conference ( although that should be National League these days ) standard in their performance?

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[quote user="Crafty Canary"]morty wrote the following post at 14/09/2016 9:21 AM:

Crafty Canary wrote:

morty wrote the following post at 13/09/2016 10:06 AM: So basically Crafty, you have F-all. 😁 Just like you so my opinion is no less valid. As I have repeatedly said none of us have the information to know what is correct or incorrect.

I have the opinion and facts of a respected sports journalist.

You have an irrational hatred of Delia Smith.

Smile [:)]

You have the opinion of a friend of Delia''s and no way of knowing for certain if these are factual.

I have a healthy cynicism of the Delia cult of saintly benefaction towards NCFC and its fans.

I certainly don''t hate Delia and indeed cannot think of anyone in or around my life whom the word hate could be applied to. Such emotion is ridiculous when applied to opinions on a football forum.[/quote]Was it you who was talking about burning effigies of Delia, or have I got that wrong?

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[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="TIL 1010"]Now with us having such community based values and a fear of rich foreigners who would surely only be in it for their own ends what on earth was Mick Dennis thinking and would such a move sat comfortably with our fans ?[/quote]The big question for me is "was he asked by the owners to approach Sullivan or was it his own idea"?I find it difficult to believe that someone with Delia''s image and religious background offering to sell the club to two guys who had made their money in the sex industry. Conversely, even if Sullivan had accepted his invitation and made an offer, I couldn''t see Delia accepting them for exactly the same reasons.As Judge Judy would say, "If it doesn''t make sense, it probably isn''t true"My guess is, Mick is a journalist and by sending that e-mail he knew if he got a reply from Sullivan he had a story to sell whatever the reply.[/quote]

I remember reading an article by Mick where he stated that he was given a lift to a match by Mr Sullivan (if I''ve remembered it wrong then I apologise) I would imagine that as a journalist he probably cultivated relationships with people at a lot of clubs. It was no secret that when Gold & Sullivan sold their interest in Birmingham that they were looking to get another club, it wouldn''t surprise me if that was when Mick suggested Norwich to them.

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Yeah i accept what you are saying Squit and if MD said it in his blog on MFW which is there for all to see the question i asked was if Sullivan had taken up the suggestion to buy Norwich how would the fans have reacted taking into consideration his sleazy background. I think there would have been a fair amount of outrage. Yes or no ?

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I thought it was Delia being picky about who she would sell to that was holding us back?

Surely as fans with ambition we wouldn''t care too much about where the readies came from but more how many of them existed?

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]Yeah i accept what you are saying Squit and if MD said it in his blog on MFW which is there for all to see the question i asked was if Sullivan had taken up the suggestion to buy Norwich how would the fans have reacted taking into consideration his sleazy background. I think there would have been a fair amount of outrage. Yes or no ?[/quote]

That information was in the public domain when they bought Birmingham & West Ham and I don''t remember any outrage. Are you saying that Norwich supporters have a different moral standard to the fans of those other clubs?

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[quote user="Duncan Edwards"]I thought it was Delia being picky about who she would sell to that was holding us back?

Surely as fans with ambition we wouldn''t care too much about where the readies came from but more how many of them existed?[/quote]Bowkett called in a company from the City to find us investment but the man pulling the strings on that front was a Norwich supporting journo by the look of things.

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[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Duncan Edwards"]I thought it was Delia being picky about who she would sell to that was holding us back?

Surely as fans with ambition we wouldn''t care too much about where the readies came from but more how many of them existed?[/quote]Bowkett called in a company from the City to find us investment but the man pulling the strings on that front was a Norwich supporting journo by the look of things.[/quote]

He doesn''t say that he was operating in any official capacity, why do you make such stuff up?

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Did i say he was acting in an official capacity Squit ? No i did not but if you read MD''s article again on MFW he himself states that he approached Sullivan with a view to see if he would buy NCFC.It was a flippant post comparing Bowkett dealing with the heavy financial hitters in the City when we were looking for investment back in 2009 and our local NCFC supporting journo making approaches to a pornogragher in some form or other.

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]Did i say he was acting in an official capacity Squit ? No i did not but if you read MD''s article again on MFW he himself states that he approached Sullivan with a view to see if he would buy NCFC.It was a flippant post comparing Bowkett dealing with the heavy financial hitters in the City when we were looking for investment back in 2009 and our local NCFC supporting journo making approaches to a pornogragher in some form or other. [/quote]

"Of course, Norwich wasn’t mine to sell, but I knew Sullivan well enough

to exchange emails with him, so I asked him if he’d be interested."

The begining of the sentence is important but you chose not to include it, it''s almost like you did it on purpose. It''s no different from you suggesting an option to someone that you knew was in the market to buy something.Just to repeat what I said earlier, they''ve bought two clubs without any ''outrage'' from fans, would our fans be any different?

 

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The beginning of the sentence is not important because it was obvious it was not his to sell but i am astounded that being a friend of Delia and the values she holds in both her personal life and those she holds towards our club he even considered trying to put Sullivan our way. Your final comment about '' would our fans be any different '' is exactly where i am coming from. After twenty years of the '' careful what you wish for '' mantra coming from all directions i would say David Sullivan falls squarely into that category unless you wish to suggest otherwise ? Rich Chinese No, Rich Americans No, Businessmen like Mike Ashley, No Indians like the Venky''s No, but David Sullivan........

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[quote user="morty"]This is some great, utterly comedy, moral outrage[:D][/quote]Thanks for that input, very informative. Looks like me in your sights tonight but still that saves you being objectionably upfront with about a dozen other posters in the last few days on every thread you have peddled your bile on so carry on if you must.

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Is that the same David Sullivan who actually has a decent track record in British football investment? Rather than just being a random, foreign unknown quantity?To say your argument is thin on this is a bit of an understatement.Still at least you found a stick.....

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[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="morty"]This is some great, utterly comedy, moral outrage[:D][/quote]Thanks for that input, very informative. Looks like me in your sights tonight but still that saves you being objectionably upfront with about a dozen other posters in the last few days on every thread you have peddled your bile on so carry on if you must.[/quote]You''re a ridiculous hypocrite.

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