TIL 1010 4,722 Posted July 11, 2016 I thought long and hard before posting this as i am positive there will be some insensitive comments made but the evils of drink can be just as wicked as Class A drugs and show that fame and fortune count for nothing once it takes a grip.https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1423158/paul-gascoigne-new-low-as-he-exposes-himself-in-the-street-on-the-hunt-for-mo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hammond1612 92 Posted July 11, 2016 The thing that''s really sad is that a paper would rather publish these pictures instead of getting him some help or at least setting up a campaign to get him some help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Stump 1 Posted July 11, 2016 That is so sad. It doesn''t even look like him anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari_2 0 Posted July 11, 2016 At least he''s pink now, not yellow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,548 Posted July 11, 2016 I don''t like The Sun, but what can they do? He''s had lots of support from celebrity friends, he''s been in rehab loads of times but ultimately to no avail. Yes it''s sad but it''s nobody''s fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted July 11, 2016 The loss of a mans dignity, one of the most gifted footballers I have ever seen.A tragedy, but unfortunately life is full of many tragedies that we can do very little about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hucks6 169 Posted July 11, 2016 So sad had world at his feet.what else does he want had so much help as other posters said I am afraid this is only going to end one way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Row D Seat 7 0 Posted July 11, 2016 So sad. People have tried to help him but he seems beyond it. Any stint in rehab merely seems like a countdown until the next time he falls off the wagon. Fear for Gazza. So many demons. So sad. I recently watched the Euro 96 documentary and whilst all the other players happily reflected on that time, they all had their own lives and careers. Gazza is the one still stuck in that time. Struggling without the fame, fortune, adulation. Still struggling with being an ex footballer, never to have those times again. I genuinely don''t think anything can truly aid him now because he will never have what he wants the most - his best days as a footballer back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 11, 2016 It''s horribly sad Tilly. Lives minutes away from me in Poole, problem is there are way too many people around here who like to ''help him'' with the booze, and he''s got many new ''friends'' and hangers on, seems to be knocking around a lot with an absolute tosser from Swanage, knowing what people know of him locally I hate to think what else Gazza''s possibly taking these days. It''s so frustrating to see, that man really could be having a great life if he wanted 🙁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted July 11, 2016 Sadly Gazza is going the same way as George Best Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duncan Edwards 2,225 Posted July 12, 2016 The Sun are despicable. Of course it will sell papers and generate "clicks" but he seriously looks like he is on his way out. And we continue to gaze through the goldfish bowl waiting for it.He''s ill. Desperately ill. Of course he needs to help himself but it seems that he has gone beyond that. I''m not sure what anyone can do but it feels a bit sick to be watching the demise of someone that captured the imagination of a nations football fans. The illness has got a horrible hold on him, press intrusion won''t help, it might push him further down a very slippery slope. Maybe we haven''t learned anything from Best, he was given more chances than most would get but the problem at the heart of it was never solved. Two simply brilliant footballers, both with years of wasted talent and they could have offered so much more to the game. Instead, we watch them squander the fame and fortune that they were never capable of dealing with and then lament the loss when they''re gone. So much money, so young. Yes they''re in an enviable position but football needs to adapt to that and provide solid advice to these blokes. If not, left at home with thousands of pounds of disposable income and nothing to do for days on end while they can''t go out because everyone has a camera....well, it''s no surprise that it''s drink, gambling, drugs, women....we''ve created a monster (Sky too) but we don''t know how to handle it. Sad, perhaps even tragic. How many more will we watch fall into the same abyss as Best and Gazza? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted July 12, 2016 [quote user="Duncan Edwards"]The Sun are despicable. Of course it will sell papers and generate "clicks" but he seriously looks like he is on his way out. And we continue to gaze through the goldfish bowl waiting for it.He''s ill. Desperately ill. Of course he needs to help himself but it seems that he has gone beyond that. I''m not sure what anyone can do but it feels a bit sick to be watching the demise of someone that captured the imagination of a nations football fans. The illness has got a horrible hold on him, press intrusion won''t help, it might push him further down a very slippery slope. Maybe we haven''t learned anything from Best, he was given more chances than most would get but the problem at the heart of it was never solved. Two simply brilliant footballers, both with years of wasted talent and they could have offered so much more to the game. Instead, we watch them squander the fame and fortune that they were never capable of dealing with and then lament the loss when they''re gone. So much money, so young. Yes they''re in an enviable position but football needs to adapt to that and provide solid advice to these blokes. If not, left at home with thousands of pounds of disposable income and nothing to do for days on end while they can''t go out because everyone has a camera....well, it''s no surprise that it''s drink, gambling, drugs, women....we''ve created a monster (Sky too) but we don''t know how to handle it. Sad, perhaps even tragic. How many more will we watch fall into the same abyss as Best and Gazza?[/quote]I agree with a lot of what you say, but Best and Gazza are not special in one sense - there are many people who succumb to drink/drugs etc and I don''t think you can really blame football, mobile phones with cameras, the Sun, or Sky or anything else because Gazza has a common affliction - his solace is drink and he can''t stop. Anyone who knows someone who has this problem knows how destructive it is and you don''t have to be famous to have it. There is always help out there and Gazza has had plenty but while he is still with us and whilst those photos are pretty terrible to see, there is still hope for him. But he has to want to get better, has to find a reason to get better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,139 Posted July 12, 2016 This has been an on-going and public tragedy for some time now. Almost like a chronology of a suicide and reported by the press with all the subtlety of a public execution.Having said that he has probably had more help than most in his position with this illness. It is actually slightly difficult to be over-sympathetic, although he continues to evoke this feeling in us.It cannot be long before the inevitable. His liver, although used to working, must have long passed the retrieval stage whereby a daily dose of milk thistle would be of any use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 500 Posted July 12, 2016 Agree Broadstairs he''s had more help than most. Expect some do gooder will try again.I remember when he was high on cocaine and wanted to give that killer Moat a Pizza, been done for being 4 times over drink limit, beat his wife up, hit a the press guy who wanted to interview him.What a waster. Good riddance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Row D Seat 7 0 Posted July 12, 2016 @ Daly - Lets just hope you never suffer from any addictions in your life because if you did, I''m fairly sure you wouldn''t see yourself as a waster and want people to say ''good riddance'' to you. Yes Gazza has had more help than most and he''s thrown that help back in people''s faces at times, but he''s a lost soul, has more demons than any of us will ever understand and chooses to drown those demons in alcohol. That doesn''t make him a waster. Nor should we say good riddance. He''s a human being. We wish good riddance to the worst people in existence, the child killers etc, not Paul Gascoigne. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted July 12, 2016 Just proves that Daly isn''t just a narrow minded when it comes to football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 668 Posted July 12, 2016 Well said D7. Amazed by your lack of compassion and empathy Daly. Life really isn''t that black and white for many people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 500 Posted July 12, 2016 OK The good riddance was over the top but my daughter who had never done a bad thing in her life was struck down by breast cancer like thousands of other women. The hospitals are full of Gazza''s who take up beds. No one forces these wasters to become alcoholics or drug users.Have some compassion for the people who become victims of cancers and illnesses not brought on by their lifestyle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted July 12, 2016 Reasonable point Daly.My biggest issue is that where are his family? He doesn''t need hangers on, an adoring public, or putting in rehab. He needs people around him who love him, he always has. Watch the film about him, and it''s plainly evident just how insecure he is.He needs a loving friend or relative to care for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted July 12, 2016 [quote user="daly"]OK The good riddance was over the top but my daughter who had never done a bad thing in her life was struck down by breast cancer like thousands of other women. The hospitals are full of Gazza''s who take up beds. No one forces these wasters to become alcoholics or drug users.Have some compassion for the people who become victims of cancers and illnesses not brought on by their lifestyle[/quote]How about we have compassion for everyone. Bitterness gets you no-where. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,580 Posted July 12, 2016 ''Have some compassion for the people who become victims of cancers and illnesses not brought on by their lifestyle''The two aren''t mutually exclusive you know. I''ve never met anyone who is sympathetic to drug addicts but not people with cancer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 500 Posted July 12, 2016 Hallelujah Compassion for everyone??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted July 12, 2016 I see lectures are back.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,580 Posted July 12, 2016 I''ve not seen any lectures, just disagreement. Which is allowed on a forum dont''cha know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted July 12, 2016 So you won''t mind if I tell you who you should have compassion for, and who you shouldn''t, then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,580 Posted July 12, 2016 Knock yourself out. You then won''t mind if I disagree with you. Considering you''ve been here awhile I thought you''d already have this forum lark down to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted July 12, 2016 There is a marked difference between disagreeing with someone and telling them that they should behave differently.We''ll leave it there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,580 Posted July 12, 2016 Cool. I''ll remember that next time you ''lecture'' someone about what they should and shouldn''t post on an internet forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted July 12, 2016 Fill your boots fella 👍Meanwhile, getting back on topic, do people show the same sympathy to a drunk down and out on the street?Because gazza was good at football, is he more deserving of sympathy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted July 12, 2016 Alcoholism IS A DISEASE, a mental illness, complicated by the physical dependence on Alcohol, a double whammy.My father was a brilliant, talented, funny and popular person, but he could not stop drinking. No one deserves to be made a spectacle of in their darkest hours....it is only likely to make them withdraw further, drink more, and repeat.PG is one of many, with many more to come.As Til said...Sad, Tragic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites