Jammy Yellow 0 Posted August 4, 2016 Here''s a youtube clip of what he can do... http://youtu.be/LL93Xr74A4MYoutube.. What a misleading place it can be. (rvw) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,598 Posted August 4, 2016 I don''t know a lot about him, but the fact he''s been at PL/top Champs sides suggests he''s decent enough. Match stats can be horribly misleading, Grant Holt''s weren''t great (at this level) when we signed him, but he''d often been played wide rather than as a main striker (eg at Forest) - if things ''click'' and a player can find form early, it can make a huge difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowbeagle 0 Posted August 4, 2016 [quote user="Branston Pickle"]I don''t know a lot about him, but the fact he''s been at PL/top Champs sides suggests he''s decent enough. Match stats can be horribly misleading, Grant Holt''s weren''t great (at this level) when we signed him, but he''d often been played wide rather than as a main striker (eg at Forest) - if things ''click'' and a player can find form early, it can make a huge difference.[/quote]Totally agree, people weren''t that enthusiastic about Jerome when he first signed but his performance at Wembley and throughout the championship season made a huge difference. Not his fault we didn''t find a true upgrade once in the prem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iwans Big Toe 309 Posted August 4, 2016 So the club have a have a choice to make. There''s a 30 year old striker, who has never played top flight football, that will have to be shoehorned into the managers preferred tactics and will cost north of £12m. Or you can have a 31 year old forward on loan, who is more suited to the style of play that is used and will cost a fraction of £12m. I know what option seems the more sensible idea from my perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,095 Posted August 4, 2016 "I know what option seems the more sensible idea from my perspective."Of course this depends.If McCormack scores the goals which get Aston Villa back up at the first attempt whilst we end up amongst the also- rans then that club will have been the more sensible.We''ll see.They have taken that risk. We decided not to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,456 Posted August 4, 2016 I''d be happy with N''Doye as a striker we sign but not as the only striker. If we do this deal I''d assume we''d spend some money on a younger forward too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted August 4, 2016 [quote user="BroadstairsR"]"I know what option seems the more sensible idea from my perspective."Of course this depends.If McCormack scores the goals which get Aston Villa back up at the first attempt whilst we end up amongst the also- rans then that club will have been the more sensible.We''ll see.They have taken that risk. We decided not to.[/quote]There is not one iota of risk taken by Villa in getting McCormack. Xia''s wealth is practically unlimited. The risk to our club would have been much more great if we had tried to outbid Villa. Let them have him, realise that he could get injured (his career has been littered with injuries) or not score as many goals as they would like. Lets forget about McCormack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted August 4, 2016 [quote user="ZLF"]Nearly an identical record to Mbokanis?[/quote]Very much so, and good spot ZLF.Mbokani hit 19 in 46 at Kyiv = goal every 2.42 gamesN''Doye hit 27 in 68 at Lokomotiv = goal every 2.52 gamesMbokani hit 7 in 30 for us last season = goal every 4.29 gamesN''doye hit 5 in 15 for Hull in Prem = goal every 3 gamesSo he''s got a better record in the Prem, and I''d certainly argue that the Russian league is better than the Ukrainian (not by a huge margin though), so in a direct comparison it could sensibly be argued that N''Doye has actually got the better record at comparative levels of competition.Interestingly, they also have quite similar international scoring records, though Mbokani does edge N''Doye in this respect.I''m personally of the view that N''Doye represents less of a gamble than we took on Mbokani, and that as a backup option/competition for the target man role, he''d possible represent good value for money and if he doesn''t perform then he''s going back next year anyway.We would still need another striker as well though, be this one of Wells, Assombalonga, Kodjia, Mbakogu or whoever, but as a season long loan deal, I''d have little problem with N''Doye coming here (again, not as the main striker purchase), and it certainly represents far better value than McCormack (and N''Doye has shown he can perform at a higher level as well). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 15, 2016 [quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="ZLF"]Nearly an identical record to Mbokanis?[/quote]Very much so, and good spot ZLF.Mbokani hit 19 in 46 at Kyiv = goal every 2.42 gamesN''Doye hit 27 in 68 at Lokomotiv = goal every 2.52 gamesMbokani hit 7 in 30 for us last season = goal every 4.29 gamesN''doye hit 5 in 15 for Hull in Prem = goal every 3 gamesSo he''s got a better record in the Prem, and I''d certainly argue that the Russian league is better than the Ukrainian (not by a huge margin though), so in a direct comparison it could sensibly be argued that N''Doye has actually got the better record at comparative levels of competition.Interestingly, they also have quite similar international scoring records, though Mbokani does edge N''Doye in this respect.I''m personally of the view that N''Doye represents less of a gamble than we took on Mbokani, and that as a backup option/competition for the target man role, he''d possible represent good value for money and if he doesn''t perform then he''s going back next year anyway.We would still need another striker as well though, be this one of Wells, Assombalonga, Kodjia, Mbakogu or whoever, but as a season long loan deal, I''d have little problem with N''Doye coming here (again, not as the main striker purchase), and it certainly represents far better value than McCormack (and N''Doye has shown he can perform at a higher level as well).[/quote]Looking like it''s going to be exactly that, Indy [:O][:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molly Windley 76 Posted August 15, 2016 I thought this guy was a big money signing when he left Hull, but the fee was only around £2.2 million so I assume he went for bigger wages. Seeing the loan fee for his 6 months at Sunderland from Trabzonspor being reported as £1.2 million it may be cheaper to buy him rather than try and loan himIf we could get him for around £2 million it could be a good deal (depending on his wages) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,426 Posted August 15, 2016 Not coming, he''s heard we use a double pivot midfield and doesn''t like it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buh 0 Posted August 15, 2016 Does pep use a quadruple pivot?Pivots in crisis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites