morty 0 Posted September 9, 2016 The frigging byline.Read it.Jesus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 9, 2016 [quote user="Hoola Han Solo"]Sorry to interject but it was glaringly obvious Redmond wanted to go.[/quote]Indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted September 9, 2016 His body language and demeanour in our last home game of last season made it incredibly obvious he was going. And them comments unearthed by the Pink un confirm it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,745 Posted September 9, 2016 [quote user="Katie Borkins"]I think when against Watford Redmond decided to do a passable impression of Ronaldo, followed by his U21 performances, you could say he turned it on when he wanted to.[/quote]Quite agree Katie and it was a good deal with Southampton but we are swerving away from the fact that without that money Canos and Pritchard may very well have not been signed. However i will go along with the recent comments of Jez Money and only today Alex Neil concerning the availability of money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted September 9, 2016 Are you sure we are not swerving the assertion that"Redmond wanted to go anyway ? I must have missed him stomping his feet and making his feeling known he wanted to leave." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,745 Posted September 9, 2016 [quote user="Katie Borkins"]Are you sure we are not swerving the assertion that"Redmond wanted to go anyway ? I must have missed him stomping his feet and making his feeling known he wanted to leave."[/quote]Whilst a Norwich player did anybody ever hear or read of him wanting to go ? Now he has gone and he is sweet talking his new club and fans it is being taken as read he wanted out by some.Now moving on to the purchase of Canos and Pritchard it looks like a good job Redmond did go or have i got that wrong as well ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,343 Posted September 9, 2016 This is all so depressing.Four out of the last five years in the Premier League and here we are arguing whether we''re skint or not. What''s happened to all the money ? We get the same old '' leaving no stone unturned '' spiel from the club about bringing players in then when the window closes we''re left disappointed. Yes the guy from Nottingham Forest may turn out to be a good ''un but I''m a little tired of the obsession in balancing the books but throttling ambition.Of course I want us to do well and despite everything we must be in with a good shout of a top six finish but I can''t honestly say I''ve got quite the same enthusiasm I once had. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted September 10, 2016 So your enthusiasm for the club is linked to the size of its bank balance?Just to be competitive in the PL will cost us pretty much all our resources. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted September 10, 2016 Yes Canos looks to be a more than decent replacement for the mercurial Redmond, and Pritchard is a good signing though rather than stocking up on midfielders I wonder if boosting the striker kitty would have been smarter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted September 10, 2016 Exactly Bork, the players we have brought in are either improvements or exciting prospects that can fill the boots of those departed.Whilst your striker comment is entirely valid, reading between the lines it certainly sounds like we tried to get in the targets we wanted like McCormack, then when those died out we spent the cash on Pritchard whilst we had the chance.Come January we might have some funds available with Parachute payments etc. I would like to think we''re smart enough to budget a separate Jan transfer kitty regardless of what we spent over the summer, so that if we still feel the need to go and get a striker we''ve got that option Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted September 10, 2016 I read the Redmond article the other day, and whereas I''ll always remember him fondly for some inspired moments, he didn''t half come across as a young man who thought he was bigger than our club. Silly boy, that only exists at one club in the soccer ball world, and that''s Jack Wilshere and Bournemouth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,164 Posted September 10, 2016 I am more positive than most, perhaps to the point of self-delusion.I do not think that Neil''s comments re: the transfer budget mean that the Club has no money in the bank.No money for player purchases unless players are sold? Yes. Fair enough, but the Board now find themselves dealing with Championship finances again, something with which they are accustomed.With less income an obvious safety net is necessary; money in the wallet for a rainy day. Championship existence is loss-evoking and there are no guarantees that we will be promoted straight away or even within the next two seasons so it is necessary to have a buffer against harder times.The Club is merely trying to achieve that balance between the all-out and costly approach of the Aston Villas of the league and the restrictive and somewhat miserly approach of the Ipswich Towns.I assume that not many on here would wish us to blow the entire bank balance in the transfer market at this particular time in the same way that none of us would consider blowing our entire savings on an Aston Martin.This necessary restriction is the crux of the current "Delia out" lobby, but that is the way it always has been and now is with our Club in it''s present form.As has been said, with four from five years at the top table, with constant full houses and without a particularly expansive approach in the transfer market, whereby there has rarely been a very large gap between outward expenditure and income, we should not by any distance be "skint."Throw in the £36m parachutes this season and even our high wages bill should be coped with with some ease.Money in the bank and the value of such players as Robbie Brady are our insurance policy against a longer stay in the Chumps that we all wish for. The Board would be remiss not to foresee this in formulating it''s current financial policy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted September 10, 2016 I''m sure there''ll be some money in the pot for January - and I don''t think it''s a bad idea letting other clubs know we''re ''skint'', that may play to our advantage rather than being held to ransom which I suspect happened more than we realised in the ''transfer window of doom pt 2''. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,291 Posted September 10, 2016 Who cares if the Wallet''s empty? Just as long as the purse is bursting at the seams and earning decent interest...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbycanary3 994 Posted September 10, 2016 tbf Alex, the ''skint'' line is being used, in reference to the Transfer Window just past, not a PR thing, nearly 4 months in advance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,533 Posted September 10, 2016 I''m not the brightest on here so it''s no surprise to find myself unable to understand what the fuss is about. Be kind to nutty and tell me what money you thought we had and where it came from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted September 10, 2016 Without beneficial ownership it is evident that we can no longer compete even at championship level, as new equity is injected into clubs around us. We can look forward only to a sustained period of stagnation then decline if and until new capital can be found for our club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted September 10, 2016 [quote user="Crabbycanary3"]tbf Alex, the ''skint'' line is being used, in reference to the Transfer Window just past, not a PR thing, nearly 4 months in advance[/quote]True, Crabby - perhaps Alex is planning ahead for once (😉😉😉) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul101 93 Posted September 10, 2016 and none of this would have mattered highland if you just hired lennon as the manager we would have been world class by now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted September 11, 2016 Anyone who had good connections at the club knew that there wasn''t a lot of cash spare. Charlie Wyatt said as much when we were relegated. Some who criticise Moxey should be aware that it is McNally who gambled in January with two deals that the club wouldn''t have done under normal circumstances. Wages that the club had never seen before and didn''t do well for ''dressing room unity''.I don''t like the lack of balance at the club at all, but the club have clearly chosen to keep the squad largely intact rather than go and spend much on new talent.I think Moxey will be much more of a realist than McNally, but fans cannot expect money to be spend that isn''t there. The squad is just about good enough to go up, but I''m not convinced this will happen until we become a more solid positive until. Will that happen under AN? Hmmm.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,087 Posted September 11, 2016 like others have said we knew we had no money but i always thought the clubs income / turnover was split into sections e,g for example 25 % transfer kitty 60 % wages 15 % ground up keep office wages etc so my question is if we have no money to spend does that mean that all of the money we get this season goes on wages ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted September 11, 2016 The fact that Naismith couldn''t agree personal terms with Sunderland suggests that he, and possibly Brady and Klose, are still on Premier wages - presumably why they''re still "happy" to be here.So perhaps paying some players chunky money when turnover has reduced dramatically (even allowing for parachute payments) is the main reason for this summer''s window. Don''t see why this is so difficult for some to grasp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted September 11, 2016 [quote user="Fuzzar"]The fact that Naismith couldn''t agree personal terms with Sunderland suggests that he, and possibly Brady and Klose, are still on Premier wages - presumably why they''re still "happy" to be here.So perhaps paying some players chunky money when turnover has reduced dramatically (even allowing for parachute payments) is the main reason for this summer''s window. Don''t see why this is so difficult for some to grasp.[/quote]Exactly, theres no drama or scandal here.We have lost in the region of 40 million off our operating budget, its as simple as that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rogue Baboon 0 Posted September 11, 2016 Is the Naismith failed transfer, and the ''personal terms'' phrase a bit more complex than just simply he wanted too much money?It was reported on the day that Sunderland were after a few players on loan, but only had 1 domestic loan transfer slot allowed - they signed Denayer from Man CityAlso, if Sunderland wanted Naismith on loan, did they want us to pay a % of his wages? Maybe they said they will have him, but we had to pay 50% of his wages? Would this class as to ''Personal Terms''?No evidence to back it up, purely speculating, but I cannot believe if Sunderland wanted him then we are paying more than they would pay him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
can u sit down please 0 Posted September 11, 2016 [quote user="morty"][quote user="Pompey Canary"]The psychology of these threads where people pretend to be in the know and make up this stuff is interesting. Looks like inclusion issues from a traumatic childhood resurfacing.I would treat any thread where the source isn''t named as highly dubious[/quote]This. ^^^[/quote]So the source was correct and not just "tittle tattle"......Awkward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,745 Posted September 11, 2016 Having been ridiculed right at the start of the thread for saying that the wallet is empty plus someone giving it the Billy Big Bollox at a forum in an attempt to belittle the suggestion it now appears that there is no drama and scandal surrounding the fact and giving the impression that it was obvious all along. That is what you get i suppose when you have an agenda to play the poster and not the post. Priceless ! Before the line that i am gloating and enjoying this is trotted out nothing could be further from the truth as it is tragic that our finances are not as rosy as some assumed with four out of the last five years spent in the footballing land of milk and honey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,162 Posted September 11, 2016 [quote user="TIL 1010"]Before the line that i am gloating and enjoying this is trotted out nothing could be further from the truth as it is tragic that our finances are not as rosy as some assumed with four out of the last five years spent in the footballing land of milk and honey.[/quote]Not that tragic when you consider that the first two years were used to pay back the loans that were renegotiated when we went into L1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,760 Posted September 11, 2016 ....and the next two were getting us in and out of a very expensive hole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites