93vintage 16 Posted December 26, 2015 Even if we''d have played ultra-defensively, a 1-0 defeat wouldn''t be unexpected. The performance and evidence of development were highlights, and for things to unravel after conceding a goal or two is to be expected against an opponent of the calibre of Spurs.Alex Neil was quite brave today, but that''s to be applauded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firedawg 0 Posted December 26, 2015 Jesus Chist you fuckin lot are like a load of 10 year olds - talk about ''my dad''s bigger than your dad''.Grow up the lot of you. it''s all ''subjective'' none of you are right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted December 26, 2015 [quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Twas Bassong.[/quote]Hilariously hilariously idiotically wrong. It was 100% Ryan Bennett. Decided to cover the outside run even though he was 2 feet to the right of Thom whastshisname. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,653 Posted December 26, 2015 The first goal was the issue. If only we didn''t have bloody De Gea in goal..We had created a bit and looked like we could counter well but gift them a goal and suddenly the onus on them to attack reduces, they can keep their shape and the ball and let their quality and in form players make the difference. And they did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted December 27, 2015 [quote user="hogesar"]The first goal was the issue. If only we didn''t have bloody De Gea in goal..We had created a bit and looked like we could counter well but gift them a goal and suddenly the onus on them to attack reduces, they can keep their shape and the ball and let their quality and in form players make the difference. And they did.[/quote]and that one was 100% Bassong. He was afraid to challenge Kane and give away a penalty. Tried to play an angle, he was wrong. Bennett was shockingly awful all game. Trying to blame Bassong on that 3rd goal (which by the way he was in fact bad as he wandered up field and wasn''t even around the play) is beyond idiotic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted December 27, 2015 [quote user="jaemae2"][quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Twas Bassong.[/quote] Hilariously hilariously idiotically wrong. It was 100% Ryan Bennett. Decided to cover the outside run even though he was 2 feet to the right of Thom whastshisname.[/quote] Think you need to watch it again. Bassong has every opportunity to close the shot down. Ryan Bennett doesn''t come across to cover the shot, because he assumed that Bassong would drop seeing as Bennett was covering the through ball to Kane, and Seb was marking absolutely f**king no-one, and that''s kind of how defending works. Bennett couldn''t close the shot down because it would have created an easy one on one situation. Not sure why you''re making it up that Bassong couldn''t close it down because he "wandered up field and wasn''t even around the play". That''s absolute nonsense. To help you out, I''ve screenshotted the moment Carroll got the ball and highlighted Bassong who is a couple of yards further from Carroll when he receives the ball than Bennett is, but decides that despite Carroll running towards goal, and with a clear line of sight to see that Bennet can''t go and close it because of Kane, rather than moving, he will just stand still. There''s no other Spurs player in Bassong''s vicinity except Carroll. Bennett is picking up the runner (Harry Kane) so Carroll becomes Bassong''s man and he has to close him down. It''s really not that challenging. To try and pin that on Bennett as not closing down is pretty stupid. You can see in the bottom two pictures that if Bennett closes the ball, then Kane runs round the back of Bennett towards goal and Caroll has an easy pass to put Kane through one-on-one. From Picture 2, Carroll has time to take two touches, look up, pick his spot, and shoot. If Bassong closes the ball, there is no immediate negative consequence as there is nobody on his side of the pitch. He only needs to cover a few yards to stop the shot. He probably doesn''t even need to get the tackle, just move across and make Carroll hesitate for half a second about shooting and the chance of the shot is gone. I''ve marked the spot I think he has to get to to make Carroll hesitate. It''s what? 3 or 4 strides away? The fact you try and ridicule others for your lack of basic football knowledge is quite funny though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted December 27, 2015 The only sure thing is it wasn''t Martin''s fault [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted December 27, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"][quote user="jaemae2"][quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Twas Bassong.[/quote] Hilariously hilariously idiotically wrong. It was 100% Ryan Bennett. Decided to cover the outside run even though he was 2 feet to the right of Thom whastshisname.[/quote] Think you need to watch it again. Bassong has every opportunity to close the shot down. Ryan Bennett doesn''t come across to cover the shot, because he assumed that Bassong would drop seeing as Bennett was covering the through ball to Kane, and Seb was marking absolutely f**king no-one, and that''s kind of how defending works. Bennett couldn''t close the shot down because it would have created an easy one on one situation. Not sure why you''re making it up that Bassong couldn''t close it down because he "wandered up field and wasn''t even around the play". That''s absolute nonsense. To help you out, I''ve screenshotted the moment Carroll got the ball and highlighted Bassong who is a couple of yards further from Carroll when he receives the ball than Bennett is, but decides that despite Carroll running towards goal, and with a clear line of sight to see that Bennet can''t go and close it because of Kane, rather than moving, he will just stand still. There''s no other Spurs player in Bassong''s vicinity except Carroll. Bennett is picking up the runner (Harry Kane) so Carroll becomes Bassong''s man and he has to close him down. It''s really not that challenging. To try and pin that on Bennett as not closing down is pretty stupid. You can see in the bottom two pictures that if Bennett closes the ball, then Kane runs round the back of Bennett towards goal and Caroll has an easy pass to put Kane through one-on-one. From Picture 2, Carroll has time to take two touches, look up, pick his spot, and shoot. If Bassong closes the ball, there is no immediate negative consequence as there is nobody on his side of the pitch. He only needs to cover a few yards to stop the shot. He probably doesn''t even need to get the tackle, just move across and make Carroll hesitate for half a second about shooting and the chance of the shot is gone. I''ve marked the spot I think he has to get to to make Carroll hesitate. It''s what? 3 or 4 strides away? The fact you try and ridicule others for your lack of basic football knowledge is quite funny though. [/quote] You understand that Bennet is literally 2 feet to Thomas whatshis name''s right, yeah? LITERALLY 2 FEET AWAY AND MOVING TOWARDS HIM, untill he decided to run away. Bassong is literally behind him and about 15 feet to the left. That wasn''t remotely on Bassong and to claim it is is still idiotic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted December 27, 2015 [quote user="jaemae2"]You understand that Bennet is literally 2 feet to Thomas whatshis name''s right, yeah? LITERALLY 2 FEET AWAY AND MOVING TOWARDS HIM, untill he decided to run away. Bassong is literally behind him and about 15 feet to the left. That wasn''t remotely on Bassong and to claim it is is still idiotic.[/quote]You understand if Bennett moves 2 feet towards the ball then Harry Kane is being played through one on one?The pictures clearly show Bassong is not behind the ball, and if he''d moved towards the ball instead of standing there gormlessly, he''d easily have covered it.The fact you can''t see it still, and you are arguing with photos of Bassong''s position is quite amazing. Do you have anything that even resembles a brain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted December 27, 2015 Do you? Because your idiocy is pretty amazing. So you expect the guy WHO IS NOWHERE NEAR the player with the ball to charge aimlessly at him when the GUY LITERALLY 2 FEET AWAY AND MOVING TOWARDS HIM isn''t to blame. Bravo champ, bravo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted December 27, 2015 There is of course an argument for covering the player off the ball, especially as it was Kane, but the thing you don''t do is leave the player with the ball a clear sight of goal. It amounted to a free shot on goal. So Bennett was caught in two minds and made the decision to cover the Kane run. Bassong wasn''t close enough to affect the situation, maybe he was slow, maybe he was holding position, but whatever, it looked very poor to allow the player on the ball to run free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,737 Posted December 27, 2015 Looks like they have not spotted your post yet Lakey. [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canary_1902 0 Posted December 27, 2015 [quote user="Mr Jenkins"]You would have seen if you''d been there.[/quote][:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJP 79 Posted December 27, 2015 This is what happens when you don''t invest in a defence that EVERYONE knew needed strengthening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gainer the Gopher 0 Posted December 27, 2015 The play-by-play guys also said it was Bassong who screwed the pooch on that one, although they didn''t have your POV, jaemae. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted December 28, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"][quote user="jaemae2"]You understand that Bennet is literally 2 feet to Thomas whatshis name''s right, yeah? LITERALLY 2 FEET AWAY AND MOVING TOWARDS HIM, untill he decided to run away. Bassong is literally behind him and about 15 feet to the left. That wasn''t remotely on Bassong and to claim it is is still idiotic.[/quote]You understand if Bennett moves 2 feet towards the ball then Harry Kane is being played through one on one?The pictures clearly show Bassong is not behind the ball, and if he''d moved towards the ball instead of standing there gormlessly, he''d easily have covered it.The fact you can''t see it still, and you are arguing with photos of Bassong''s position is quite amazing. Do you have anything that even resembles a brain?[/quote]Judging by your penultimate video still kick it off, (1) Bassong is upfield of Kane, (2) Kane is just behind/upfield of the offside line (i.e. the line through Bennett), and (3) Carroll is upfield of all three. Had Bennett moved smartly towards Carroll and Carroll played the pass for Kane to run onto, it looks as if Kane would almost certainly have been caught offside and the chance averted. That is unless there was someone else out of photo (Olsson?) playing Kane onside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaemae2 0 Posted December 28, 2015 [quote user="westcoastcanary"][quote user="kick it off"][quote user="jaemae2"]You understand that Bennet is literally 2 feet to Thomas whatshis name''s right, yeah? LITERALLY 2 FEET AWAY AND MOVING TOWARDS HIM, untill he decided to run away. Bassong is literally behind him and about 15 feet to the left. That wasn''t remotely on Bassong and to claim it is is still idiotic.[/quote]You understand if Bennett moves 2 feet towards the ball then Harry Kane is being played through one on one?The pictures clearly show Bassong is not behind the ball, and if he''d moved towards the ball instead of standing there gormlessly, he''d easily have covered it.The fact you can''t see it still, and you are arguing with photos of Bassong''s position is quite amazing. Do you have anything that even resembles a brain?[/quote]Judging by your penultimate video still kick it off, (1) Bassong is upfield of Kane, (2) Kane is just behind/upfield of the offside line (i.e. the line through Bennett), and (3) Carroll is upfield of all three. Had Bennett moved smartly towards Carroll and Carroll played the pass for Kane to run onto, it looks as if Kane would almost certainly have been caught offside and the chance averted. That is unless there was someone else out of photo (Olsson?) playing Kane onside.[/quote]Because it had absolutely nothing to do with Bassong or remotely his fault. (I''ve already said he''s pretty dreadful on that play but Bennett is 100% the main culprit and to ignore or trying to blame someone else is amazing.) Bassong also bailed out Bennett about 15 times the entire game. People want to blame him for everything and he''s the only PL CB we have (even if it''s just bottom end PL CB). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lessingham Canary 99 Posted December 28, 2015 How about they both could have done better ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites