Do the maths

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"]Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]I blame the teachers. [;)][/quote]I blame the old codgers who think flippant one liners represent reasoned debate :)[/quote]I blame the old gits who start arguments and then try to pass it off as "reasoned debate". [:D]

[Prince of Darkness 0]

My teacher is great she taught me well good. In fact when I finish school I hope to get into the McDonalds university

[Tetteys Jig 855]

As I''ve said elsewhere, I genuinely think the "big" games will play into Alex Neil''s hands. We drew with Liverpool away and nearly drew with city away in the only big games so far. I''m confident we will be past the 20 mark by Jan 1st

[Crafty Canary 556]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"]Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]I blame the teachers. [;)][/quote]I blame the old codgers who think flippant one liners represent reasoned debate :)[/quote]I blame the old gits who start arguments and then try to pass it off as "reasoned debate". [:D][/quote]

As an argument is an exchange of views or opinion which is what a debate is those who understand the meaning of the word would not, of course, argue that there is a difference.

Unfortunately some old farts may not have had the education to know any different.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"]Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]I blame the teachers. [;)][/quote]I blame the old codgers who think flippant one liners represent reasoned debate :)[/quote]I blame the old gits who start arguments and then try to pass it off as "reasoned debate". [:D][/quote]As an argument is an exchange of views or opinion which is what a debate is those who understand the meaning of the word would not, of course, argue that there is a difference.

Unfortunately some old farts may not have had the education to know any different.[/quote]There can be no debate as to why some bumptious old buffoon still can''t work out the quote function. If it''s not lack of education, then it must be lack of the old grey matter to absorb that education. One doesn''t need to be an Albert Einstein to realise "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". [:)]

[It's Character Forming 1,213]

[quote user="Crafty Canary"]Why don''t you try understanding what you read? Whilst we might not lose the 7 games to the sides I mentioned I also made the point that we are likely to lose 7 of our last 27 games so my conclusion remains valid. As we have lost 6 of our first 11 games imagining we could lose 7 of the remaining 27 is hardly contentious or, for Morty''s benefit, panicking.

Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]

Ummm yes.... Well CC, my beef is with the OP''s line of argument which is basically that we won''t get enough points out of the tougher run of games coming up, but you were saying something pretty similar when you said we couldn''t expect to get any points out of the remaining 7 games against the top sides.

Both are fallacies as shown by the fact that we got points against ManC and Chelsea even in the season we got relegated. Anyone who''s followed City for any length of time will be well aware that it''s not unusual for us to get a result against a bigger team but blow it against someone like West Brom at home.

It''s a totally different argument to say that we are likely to lose 7 games out of our remaining 27... that''s how averages work and all of us (City fans at least) would be pretty happy with that outcome. You might want to think about your own reasoning skills, as shown in your posts, a bit more before throwing that sort of comment around.

The truth is that given our relatively easy run of games, we''re a few points behind where we would like to be (and probably should be) at this point so the target for the rest of the season is a bit harder than it should be. Which shouldn''t really be news to anyone on this MB and is no cause for panic, aside from trolls like the OP and Waveney (is the OP Waveney by the way ?).

[It's Character Forming 1,213]

Ps if anyone can point me to an explanation of what I need to do to get the quote function working in internet explorer I will see if my gray matter is up to it (but I can''t be bothered to look for myself). I blame the old of today.

[Len 74]

We''ve spent very little money on players and have a manager who is knee high to a grasshopper. We will be bottom by Christmas and relegated by late March.Mathematically the formula is - Spend peanuts + Employ a monkey = Relegation

[morty 0]

[quote user="Its Character Forming"]Ps if anyone can point me to an explanation of what I need to do to get the quote function working in internet explorer I will see if my gray matter is up to it (but I can''t be bothered to look for myself). I blame the old of today.[/quote]Bumped the thread telling you how.Simplest answer though is just use firefox.

[It's Character Forming 1,213]

Thanks Morty !

As for the post above yours - does Waveney ever get bored with saying the same thing again and again...

Well, evidently not, I suppose.

[OldRobert 38]

[quote user="juicy plams"]We''ve spent very little money on players and have a manager who is knee high to a grasshopper. We will be bottom by Christmas and relegated by late March.Mathematically the formula is - Spend peanuts + Employ a monkey = Relegation[/quote]Wonder if you''d say that to his face.............no thought not.[:#]

[Len 74]

[quote user="OldRobert"][quote user="juicy plams"]We''ve spent very little money on players and have a manager who is knee high to a grasshopper. We will be bottom by Christmas and relegated by late March.Mathematically the formula is - Spend peanuts + Employ a monkey = Relegation[/quote]Wonder if you''d say that to his face.............no thought not.[:#][/quote]He''ll be gone before long, so I''ll not have the chance!

[OldRobert 38]

[quote user="juicy plams"][quote user="OldRobert"][quote user="juicy plams"]We''ve spent very little money on players and have a manager who is knee high to a grasshopper. We will be bottom by Christmas and relegated by late March.Mathematically the formula is - Spend peanuts + Employ a monkey = Relegation[/quote]Wonder if you''d say that to his face.............no thought not.[:#][/quote]He''ll be gone before long, so I''ll not have the chance![/quote]You wish......................I''m sure if you popped down to Colney tomorrow you''d find him hard at work.  No doubt when he''s finished training he''d find time for a ''quick word'' with you, seems like a nice fella.  You can tell him about his height deficiency, and how he resembles a primate.[:^)]

[Len 74]

[quote user="OldRobert"][quote user="juicy plams"][quote user="OldRobert"][quote user="juicy plams"]We''ve spent very little money on players and have a manager who is knee high to a grasshopper. We will be bottom by Christmas and relegated by late March.Mathematically the formula is - Spend peanuts + Employ a monkey = Relegation[/quote]Wonder if you''d say that to his face.............no thought not.[:#][/quote]He''ll be gone before long, so I''ll not have the chance![/quote]You wish......................I''m sure if you popped down to Colney tomorrow you''d find him hard at work.  No doubt when he''s finished training he''d find time for a ''quick word'' with you, seems like a nice fella.  You can tell him about his height deficiency, and how he resembles a primate.[:^)][/quote]Wake up! Alex Neil is a poor manager in charge of a poor squad with a mountain to climb. Conceding two goals per game = relegation.

[Van wink 2,994]

Disco Dale wrote the following post at 02/11/2015 12:27 PM:

Unless we change manager and quickly it isn''t going to get better

We are officially doomed

What a foolish remark

[Crafty Canary 556]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"]Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]I blame the teachers. [;)][/quote]I blame the old codgers who think flippant one liners represent reasoned debate :)[/quote]I blame the old gits who start arguments and then try to pass it off as "reasoned debate". [:D][/quote]As an argument is an exchange of views or opinion which is what a debate is those who understand the meaning of the word would not, of course, argue that there is a difference.

Unfortunately some old farts may not have had the education to know any different.[/quote]There can be no debate as to why some bumptious old buffoon still can''t work out the quote function. If it''s not lack of education, then it must be lack of the old grey matter to absorb that education. One doesn''t need to be an Albert Einstein to realise "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". [:)][/quote]

You have deliberately tried to provoke a disagreement with me on this thread. It shows what a sad old fart you are. I don''t give a damn about the quote feature as I rarely use it. I don'' t expect a different result when I use it and I certainly expect nothing but your usual rubbish when you post.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"]Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]I blame the teachers. [;)][/quote]I blame the old codgers who think flippant one liners represent reasoned debate :)[/quote]I blame the old gits who start arguments and then try to pass it off as "reasoned debate". [:D][/quote]As an argument is an exchange of views or opinion which is what a debate is those who understand the meaning of the word would not, of course, argue that there is a difference.

Unfortunately some old farts may not have had the education to know any different.[/quote]There can be no debate as to why some bumptious old buffoon still can''t work out the quote function. If it''s not lack of education, then it must be lack of the old grey matter to absorb that education. One doesn''t need to be an Albert Einstein to realise "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". [:)][/quote]

You have deliberately tried to provoke a disagreement with me on this thread. It shows what a sad old fart you are. I don''t give a damn about the quote feature as I rarely use it. I don'' t expect a different result when I use it and I certainly expect nothing but your usual rubbish when you post.[/quote]I don''t want to poke my nose in, but will anyway, but you just did use the quote feature....

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Crafty Canary"]Really, some of you lack the basic reasoning skills to sustain an argument![/quote]I blame the teachers. [;)][/quote]I blame the old codgers who think flippant one liners represent reasoned debate :)[/quote]I blame the old gits who start arguments and then try to pass it off as "reasoned debate". [:D][/quote]As an argument is an exchange of views or opinion which is what a debate is those who understand the meaning of the word would not, of course, argue that there is a difference.

Unfortunately some old farts may not have had the education to know any different.[/quote]There can be no debate as to why some bumptious old buffoon still can''t work out the quote function. If it''s not lack of education, then it must be lack of the old grey matter to absorb that education. One doesn''t need to be an Albert Einstein to realise "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". [:)][/quote]

You have deliberately tried to provoke a disagreement with me on this thread. It shows what a sad old fart you are. I don''t give a damn about the quote feature as I rarely use it. I don'' t expect a different result when I use it and I certainly expect nothing but your usual rubbish when you post.[/quote]Look back at the first quote where you''re complaining because no-one can "sustain an argument". Now you''re complaining because someone can.Pompous old pillock. [:D]

[Tumbleweed 106]

For me the difference between this time and last time is that we look generally a better side more capable of picking up the required points and apart from a couple of games have really not played that badly at all. Last time when we got relegated it was difficult to see how we would get any wins at all, the chances were few and far between and the odd scratchy win (I still remember the Ryan Bennett header 5 mins from time against Hull) plus other teams owns internal problems kept us alive until near the end.

I feel disappointed that we are probably 6 points worse off than we should be, but AN seems to be learning and with some defensive additions in January I do still think we''ll just about be OK.

And remember that for every surprise point we gain against the "top" sides there will be a surprise dropped point against a "bottom" side so these things will even up.

[Feedthewolf 5,932]

There has only been one instance of a team surviving in the Premier League having conceded more than two goals a game – Wigan in 2009-10 with 79 goals conceded. It''s extremely rare for a team to survive with more than 70 goals conceded (WBA in 2010-11 are the only other team to do it since the league reduced to 20 teams in 1995). Yes there are always outliers, and statistics can only tell you so much, but the overwhelming likelihood is that if we keep shipping goals at the rate we are, we will be relegated.It''s not my intention to pass judgement on Neil''s tactics, or to apportion blame for who was ultimately responsible for the absence of defensive reinforcements in the last window, but if we do get relegated then the failure to strengthen the back four over the summer will easily be the most important factor. In that eventuality, signing a top-class CB in January may well turn out to be our ''Ashton for 2016'' – the vital cog in the machine, six months too late.

[It's Character Forming 1,213]

Very true - as well as the number of goals conceded, the problem is our failure to keep a single clean sheet so far this season.  I know that the goals didn''t actually hurt us when we beat both Sunderland and Bournemouth comfortably but conceding sloppy late goals in those games is indicative of our defensive vulnerability, which has cost us points in quite a few games. 

 

My feeling is that AN will tighten things up and if Bennett plays regularly at CB I think that will improve things.  so I expect our goals against average to reduce over the rest of the season, and like you I think that if we continue to concede an average of 2 goals a game, we will get relegated.

 

The main problems defensively for me are weakness against set pieces and vulnerability against attacks on the break. I think we''ve shown improvement in both areas in the last couple of games but it''s just a start.

[Crafty Canary 556]

 

Lappinitup wrote: 

Look back at the first quote where you''re complaining because no-one can "sustain an argument". Now you''re complaining because someone can.Pompous old pillock.

As your contribution has been pointless one liners this doesn''t equate to sustaining an argument. It is rather typical of you to be disingenuous in your statements but then at your age I don''t suppose your short-term memory is very good.

Demented old codger. [:(]