militantcanary 0 Posted November 1, 2015 I can only assume that having 13 players out on loan is an attempt to clear the decks for what should be a fairly large outlay in JanuaryThe Club spent a measly 5M net in the Summer and although spending a fair bit on the 2 loan fees for Mbokani and Wisdom that should have been largely or wholly recouped by incoming loan fees.On top of having no external debt we also appear to be generating a profit of 3.5M on transfer fees left over from last season Snodgrass etc.I would assume we will transfer the following players in JanuaryE Bennett -300k?M Turner -free?Lafferty - unspecified Greek team 2.75M?Hooper- Sheff W - 4M?Andreu -? -400K?This is a little optimistic but would give us approx 20M to spend in January. The difficulty will be getting much better players in than we have if we are not a few points clear of the relegation zone come January 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,139 Posted November 1, 2015 Sell all those.I would want more for Hooper, or else keep.Lafferty will be in demand by Championship hopefuls because his reputation has soared of late.Sell Grabban to Bournemouth, they are adrift of the league in any case.Use the cash on the defense, plus a striker if poss.A few more mill. for me because it will be subject to the January mark up, as will our purchasing power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kidderminster Exile 0 Posted November 1, 2015 I can see us getting circa 5m in and spending 20 to 30m, then climbing to finish about 10th.Then again I have just had a very good lunch and plenty to drink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
militantcanary 0 Posted November 1, 2015 I have re read the accounts and perhaps someone with an accounting frame of mind could confirm that my intial reading of Debtors and Creditors is round the wrong way ie we will get in 7.25 on transfer fees and are comitted to 10.73 on transfers made,that may make a bit more sense but still leaves us with a lot to spend.NOTES TO THE ANNUAL REPORTFor the year ended 30 June 2015Page 2116 DEBTORSGroup Company2015 2014 2015 2014£''000 £''000 £''000 £''000Due within one yearTrade debtors 7,632 5,578 7,632 5,578Player debtors 7,250 1,918 7,250 1,918Amounts due from subsidiary undertakings - - - -Deferred tax asset (note 19) 528 524 528 524Other debtors 702 394 602 292Prepayments and accrued income 834 898 834 898Corporation Tax 2,739 - 2,739 -19,685 9,312 19,585 9,21017 CREDITORS: AMOUNTS FALLING DUE WITHIN ONE YEARGroup Company2015 2014 2015 2014£''000 £''000 £''000 £''000Directors’ loans 1,989 2,069 1,989 2,069Trade creditors 1,688 3,021 1,688 3,021Player creditors 10,733 11,224 10,733 11,224Receipts in advance 14,489 10,531 14,489 10,531Other taxes and social security 5,769 5,155 5,769 5,155Corporation tax - 2,387 - 2,3874.5% ''B'' preference shares of £1 each 1,421 - 1,421 -Dividends payable on shares classifiedas financial liabilities 58 58 58 58Other creditors 357 263 357 263Amounts owed to subsidiary undertakings - - 350 263Accruals and deferred income 19,157 5,484 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted November 1, 2015 It''s the wage ceiling and not the transfer budget.We could have 100m to spend but when other clubs can pay more per week, we won''t get the big signings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
militantcanary 0 Posted November 1, 2015 As I understand it and I think this is rightThe Budget is the transfer fees, loan fees, signing on fees, agent fees plus the 1st year of the wagesSo a kitty of 20M is not 20M on transfer fees as that will inflate to about 30M in total costs after a year but say 12M on transfer fees, 2M on signing on fees, 5M on wages and agents fees and 3M on seperate loan fees for example.I don''t accept your main point though. If we up against Southampton for Van Dijk as we may have been in July we will lose out but if we are after some unspecified guy from say Tenerife, Bologna or some other mid ranking teams in the top leagues in Europe we can offer more than they can.Surely? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted November 1, 2015 Has the C.G.F.P.A. been relaunched? [:^)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katie Borkins 1 Posted November 1, 2015 That''s the point I guess. Someone we''ve never heard of from a Euro league is a gamble. Therefore it is not a guaranteed good signing. RVW anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,219 Posted November 1, 2015 I can''t see us spending near £20m in January. Dream on, this is NCFC we''re talking about. The January window is notoriously slow with only the deadwood (e.g. the calibre of our suggested offloads) and a few loan signings. We need to uncover a diamond in the lower leagues or Europe.Regardless of where we finish in the league, the summer window was an absolute shambles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salopian 1 Posted November 2, 2015 Despite the fact that we could be propping up the table by then, I can''t see us spending very much in January.With a defence conceding goals every match by its own mistakes, we surely need one or two players, but I can'';t see the club risking massive debt by lashing out out big money at a time when players cost more than they do in the summer.What could happen is one or two expensive loans, perhaps superannuated CB or RB. The trouble is that not many clubs are likely to loan us quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,139 Posted November 2, 2015 Whether buying outright or loaned players, I would hope that the scouts, the manager and the Club are already in full all on action mode in searching for those vital defenders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruthers1 0 Posted November 3, 2015 There will be no big spend in January, fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted November 3, 2015 Oh sh1t, he said "fact"*Gulp* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djc 0 Posted November 3, 2015 We were apparently chucking deadline day bids in all over the place, so there must still be that money to spend. And in January, we will be 5months further into the season than we were in August, which has clearly highlighted the need to improve our current defence which AN was trying to do late August. Btw, i hqve been impressed with ANs summer signings so far, hope January window will be equally as impressive! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted November 3, 2015 Who was that centre half QPR got that year in January? They spunked a load of money and wages on him and everyone though he would save them? Then there was Yobo that Hughton brought in here. Therer aren''t many saviours available in January. That window is better for bringing in players early and preparing them for the next season. Like Howson, Bennett and... RVW... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruthers1 0 Posted November 3, 2015 "Gulp"You better believe it. It''s one centre half for around £5 million and maybe a striker on loan and that''s our lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted November 3, 2015 [quote user="ruthers1"]"Gulp"You better believe it. It''s one centre half for around £5 million and maybe a striker on loan and that''s our lot.[/quote]Wow, I mean, you''re so convincing and stuff, I mean I wouldn''t be surprised if you were an actual board member, what with all this pucker "fact" based information.Thats it, I''m chucking my season ticket at Alex Neil on Saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted November 3, 2015 I''m always patient and then it comes to me in the end[sn] Chris Samba 12.5m. Was seen as a saviour and envious posts appeared on here. Plenty of them around... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted November 3, 2015 [quote user="nutty nigel"]I''m always patient and then it comes to me in the end[sn] Chris Samba 12.5m. Was seen as a saviour and envious posts appeared on here. Plenty of them around... [/quote]I wish I could be bothered to try and search just who was envious, Chris Samba was a stupendously ridiculous signing, even by the standards of the QPR car crash at the time. I don''t know what it says more about, Harry Rednapp or the slightly unhinged Tony Fernandes ( we proper dodged a bullet there) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
93vintage 16 Posted November 3, 2015 [quote user="nutty nigel"]Therer aren''t many saviours available in January. That window is better for bringing in players early and preparing them for the next season. Like Howson, Bennett and... RVW...[/quote]Howson was a good''un. Leeds thought they were getting a good deal selling a player with a broken leg for around £2m, especially since could have left on a free in the summer. The new-year window is a good opportunity for getting players in these sorts of contract situations, who perhaps have failed to move the previous summer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted November 3, 2015 [quote user="9Зvintage"][quote user="nutty nigel"]Therer aren''t many saviours available in January. That window is better for bringing in players early and preparing them for the next season. Like Howson, Bennett and... RVW...[/quote]Howson was a good''un. Leeds thought they were getting a good deal selling a player with a broken leg for around £2m, especially since could have left on a free in the summer. The new-year window is a good opportunity for getting players in these sorts of contract situations, who perhaps have failed to move the previous summer.[/quote] Yes buddy. Howson was a proactive signing. The likes of Samba are reactive signings. I know what I''d rather see.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iron_stan 0 Posted November 4, 2015 we couldnt attract players in the summer, will be even harder if we are glued to the relegation spots when the window opensshould go for demarai gray, sam byram and lewis dunk, if theyve got any ambition we should be an attractive proposition, even if we were bottom of the table Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted November 4, 2015 [quote user="iron_stan"]we couldnt attract players in the summer, will be even harder if we are glued to the relegation spots when the window opensshould go for demarai gray, sam byram and lewis dunk, if theyve got any ambition we should be an attractive proposition, even if we were bottom of the table[/quote]These would all be very good signings – Kortney Hause and Dominic Iorfa at Wolves might also be worth a look. If we were going to sign a ''big name'' (Koulibaly/Van Dijk or similar) then the summer would have been the time to do it. In January I''d rather we invest in potential, players who could easily make the step up but will also be more open to staying put if we do go down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellow 63 23 Posted November 4, 2015 With our super scout from Burnley on the loose expect freebies and not a lot else Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellowhammer 86 Posted November 4, 2015 Don''t think we will sign anyone ,as usual there will be a lot of speculation ,and then we will will learn that they have signed for someone else or our bid has been rejected . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 114 Posted November 4, 2015 These so called promising players will cost millions, just as much as a European based player who is not playing in the championship.Afobe dealings prove that values can rise ridiculously.We did mess up the summer. We need to pay some money and look for senior leaders for our defence. It will cost but it is needed. It was always going to be tight with a number of championship standard defenders, AN ca make them that % better but you cannot help concentration failings. AN said it we need the majority of our players playing at their optimum level to get us points and wins. So far we are seeing a lack of quality means that we have too many not performing at optimum levels and hence lack of points and wins.West ham away was a huge game and crazy we could not pull that out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted November 4, 2015 Samba was just amazing when I saw him at QPR, like the Mountain from Game of Thrones. Players just bounced off him but he was so immobile and slow he could only cover a very limited area and it was just a case of working around him. Scarily this was after he''d had some time out to work on his fitness after the bought him. I certainly hope our scouts are working overtime to fine a CB that we could land from the continent at a not too ridiculous fee, or a loan with a view to signing, in January. If not, what are they there for ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,556 Posted November 4, 2015 Our spending this January will be a club record for the winter transfer window. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
morty 0 Posted November 4, 2015 [quote user="PurpleCanary"]Our spending this January will be a club record for the winter transfer window.[/quote]A pretty safe prediction, I don''t recall ever spending much in January! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,556 Posted November 4, 2015 [quote user="morty"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]Our spending this January will be a club record for the winter transfer window.[/quote]A pretty safe prediction, I don''t recall ever spending much in January![/quote]It was probably close to £5.5m in January 2012 (Howson and Bennett R). That will be beaten. Potentially by some margin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites