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Anyone anti Russell Martin isnt a Norwich fan.

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Ryan Bennett was exceptional this evening. I expect that on that performance he has given Alex Neil something to think about, and it may be that Martin will find himself starting at right back on Saturday. Bassong looked composed on the ball and barely put a foot wrong, making a couple of important tackles and interceptions in the process. He and Bennett seemed on the same age all night, as if they had been playing as a partnership for the past 20 games, rather than the odd League Cup outing. Wisdom and Olsson also looked good defensively, but did not offer the same as Brady and Whittaker going forwards. Mbokani was a hand full for Jonas Olsson in the air (which is quite an achievement), but as I suspected from watching some youtube compilations his left foot is just for standing on, which made him pretty easy to defend. Wes changed the game when he came on. Rudd only really had one save to make, a good save, but one for the cameras (I would have been proud of it in my day). Grabban didn''t quite look at the races, but offered far more than Ricky Lambert. Laffery was a handful in his cameo and deserved his goal and could have had another had it not been for Pocognoli turning the ball past his own keeper at the near post. The stand out player for me though was Jarvis. Man of the match, a constant threat down the left, a thunderbolt of a finish to give us the lead and could have added our fourth and his second deep in stoppage time bar a smart save at his near post from Lindegaard. He will be missed on Saturday.As for the clean sheet, I think that has more to do with the fact that I was there, than Russell Martin missing. [;)]In all seriousness though I would like to see a team something like this for West Ham                       RuddyMartin R. Bennett Bassong Olsson               Dorrans  HowsonRedmond     Hoolahan          Brady                      Jerome

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The clean sheet just goes to confirm Iwan''s BT''s stats, which unequivocally demonstrate that we can safely play Declan Rudd in goal without affecting our clean sheet tally. We should cash in on John Ruddy in January and swell the transfer coffers while reducing the wage bill at the same time.

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[quote user="lake district canary"]Martin is now a specialist centre back, not a right back.  He will only ever play right back in an emergency. Can''t you people get it into your heads? 

[/quote]Is that just like Hughton being the man to keep us in the Premier League Lakey?

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[quote user="westcoastcanary"]The clean sheet just goes to confirm Iwan''s BT''s stats, which unequivocally demonstrate that we can safely play Declan Rudd in goal without affecting our clean sheet tally. We should cash in on John Ruddy in January and swell the transfer coffers while reducing the wage bill at the same time. [/quote]

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Bennett didn''t show he had anything better to offer than Martin.

Bennett''s goal saving tackle only came about because he isn''t as good at reading the game as Martin, whereby that interception wouldn''t have been necessary.

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[quote user="hogesar"]Bennett didn''t show he had anything better to offer than Martin.

Bennett''s goal saving tackle only came about because he isn''t as good at reading the game as Martin, whereby that interception wouldn''t have been necessary.[/quote]What Bennett showed last night is that when he makes an error, which all footballers do, he had the determination for it not to cost a goal. Hence the clean sheet. [;)]

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Yeah, a clean sheet against a team that showed pretty much no desire to attack, who had barely any set pieces, etc etc.
Not really a fair comparison.

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Russ Martin would never have made that sliding block/tackle to prevent the goal. He would have been 2 yards behind, and when McClean had scored, he would have looked down into the grass, hoping noone would blame him. Thats it.

Russ Martin rarely recovers a situatation. How many times has he been caught ball watching instead of actually doing something? Southampton away springs to my mind...

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As far as I''m concerned Russ is neither as bad as some make out nor as good as others make out.

There are always extreme opinions about any player-Hoolahan, Ruddy, Bassong for example have all copped it in recent times.

I wonder though whether some of the extreme views being expressed about Russ recently are as a result of people becoming more entrenched in their opinions-in other words, the more someone says he''s rubbish the more someone else says he''s brilliant and vice versa.

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[quote user="Mr Angry"]As far as I''m concerned Russ is neither as bad as some make out nor as good as others make out.

There are always extreme opinions about any player-Hoolahan, Ruddy, Bassong for example have all copped it in recent times.

I wonder though whether some of the extreme views being expressed about Russ recently are as a result of people becoming more entrenched in their opinions-in other words, the more someone says he''s rubbish the more someone else says he''s brilliant and vice versa.[/quote]Valid point, but as I''ve pointed out earlier in this thread I have never said that Russ is a bad player, far from it in fact. He has many limitations as a topflight center back sure, and I think he would be better utilized as a right back. But I have always admired Martin for his commitment to Norwich City, he obviously has a passion for the club and its fans and I do not doubt, and never have, that every time he steps over the white lines he wants to give 100% for the cause, which is why he is rightly a favourite of all the managers he has played under.

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And nor has anyone ever said RM is a "brilliant" CB. Those of us non-trolls who post in his defence do so simply because we think he is a better CB than his detractors give him credit for and that he is unfairly targeted (along with Whitts) as the weakest link in our team and the prime candidate for an upgrade in his position. Glad to see Mrs Miggins now agreeing (on another thread) that both Whitts and Martin are individually the equals of any of our first choice players and her precise gripe is that their partnership (RB/RCB) is what makes that our weakest area.

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Maybe the for or against RM is a divide which can be correlated to personal political views :)

Leftish: Noone to blame. Collective blame. All in it together, noone takes full responsibility (but pushes it on to "the collective", etc. Thinks it is unfair to single out RM or Whitts.

Rightish: RM to blame for his own glaring misses. Must take responsibility. Collective can not take blame for one persons (mis)actions. Must stand up and be counted. Individuals make up the collective.

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westcoastcanary wrote the following post at 24/09/2015 11:55 AM:

And nor has anyone ever said RM is a "brilliant" CB. Those of us non-trolls who post in his defence do so simply because we think he is a better CB than his detractors give him credit for and that he is unfairly targeted (along with Whitts) as the weakest link in our team and the prime candidate for an upgrade in his position. Glad to see Mrs Miggins now agreeing (on another thread) that both Whitts and Martin are individually the equals of any of our first choice players and her precise gripe is that their partnership (RB/RCB) is what makes that our weakest area.

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Sorry but can''t let that lie slide. I''ve always made it clear that it is the partnership (Whitts/Martin) that needs breaking up. You can see it in this thread if you read it. I''ve suggested that we ''upgrade'' one of them, preferably the CB position and move Martin out wide. Therefore I certainly wouldn''t call you a ''non-troll.''

If you don''t believe me go to the first page of this very thread, in my first post of the thread.

I''d also just like to see Bennet given a chance next to Bassong (with Martin on the right). It may be that it won''t suit us because he''s not quite the same passer as Martin and we need to build from the back, but its worth a try imo. (and I do have a soft spot for Benno).

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Grefstad, what makes you think RM wouldn''t have been able to make the tackle Bennett did? He has made lots of goal saving blocks and interceptions since he joined us.

Also, and more pertinent, is that I reckon RM would have read the danger and not even let it get to that stage.

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@mrs migginsAlways? I think we''d need to go back a lot earlier than the first post

of this thread. However, I''m happy to accept that you''ve been consistent

all along. What I''m hoping is that people will stop the blanket

trashing of Martin at CB and Whitts at RB. and focus, like you, on their

synergy or, rather, lack of it.

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Saw Russell walk through the Jarrold last night, spoke to everybody, stopped for all autographs and photos. Great bloke and decent player.

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[quote user="hogesar"]Grefstad, what makes you think RM wouldn''t have been able to make the tackle Bennett did? He has made lots of goal saving blocks and interceptions since he joined us.

Also, and more pertinent, is that I reckon RM would have read the danger and not even let it get to that stage.[/quote]

R.Bennett made a potential sending-off tackle. He did well, but partly from behind, so it was risky. I have never seen Russ Martin make those kind of tackles.

When Russmakes a block, it is usually in the box, and more often in a goalmouth scramble. Russ earely tackles outside the box, espescially last-ditch tackles.

I agree that not having to make the tackle is the best, if you can read the situation and sniff the danger.

But as McClean broke through, I doubt Martin would have recovered quickly enough to get clise to him, and if he did, RM would likely not tackle like R.Benno (from behind with risk of a sending off).

I am not so sure RM would gave read the situation and shut out the danger before it arrived either, but it is ofcourse all hypothetical anyway.

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So because we kept a clean sheet, this was down to RM being out of the side?

So were Ruddy, Whittaker and Brady. So an entirely new defence in essence.

Yet again though, distorting the facts and completely ignoring other factors to suit an anti Russell Martin agenda.

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Oh and maybe a few should get their facts right.

I am no more a troll than any of you lot and am far from a happy clapper. I was massively unhappy about the Chris Hughton era and was very vocal about it on both here and Twitter. Far from a happy clapper.

My biggest issue is the focusing of blame and a scapegoat figure on Russell Martin. Yes he makes errors but so do other members of the side. You may not like him as a footballer but he''s been a massive part of Norwich City history for the last 6 years. He deserves more respect than fans writing up catalogues of his errors match-by-match. Why can''t people just give him a bit of support ffs? The mind boggles at such negativity by some. We''re 11th in a very tough league and playing, at times, some beautiful stuff. I''m loving it. Cheer up a bit!

I know that whatever I type will be twisted and ignored by some and abuse thrown at me. I''m cool with that. This will be my last post on the subject.

And, FAO Mrs Miggins, my comment about your emotional state was very much tongue in cheek and me trying to wind you up a bit, which was poor on my part. I apologise, I''m sure you''re a decent chap.

I''ve had the pleasure of chatting to Russell on a few occasions and he''s a thoroughly decent chap. I just wonder if some of the criticism would be so full on if a few of you had managed to do the same.

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For the umpteenth time, Hooly fan, we are not discussing RM''s personality or if he is a great guy or not. We all know he is. Chris Hughton was also a great guy. Do you still want him around because he is a great guy?

I, for one, and likely others too, will not be swayed because you have chatted to Russ a few times and therefore like the guy.

Its all about his professional credentials as a central defender for Norwich. I am not convinced he is good enough, as a central defender.

Dont bring other issues, like RM''s likeability into this.

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[quote user="grefstad"]Maybe the for or against RM is a divide which can be

correlated to personal political views :) Leftish: Noone to blame. Collective

blame. All in it together, noone takes full responsibility (but pushes it on to

"the collective", etc. Thinks it is unfair to single out RM or Whitts. Rightish:

RM to blame for his own glaring misses. Must take responsibility. Collective can

not take blame for one persons (mis)actions. Must stand up and be counted.

Individuals make up the collective.[/quote]

 

Ha! Well I''m a good old happy clappy leftie and I don''t recognise Russell

Martin''s performances from the descriptions given by you spotty tory boys. But I

console myself with the thought that it could be worse because Adolph Hitler

would have had him shot....

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[quote user="Wes Hooly Fan"]

My biggest issue is the focusing of blame and a scapegoat figure on Russell Martin. Yes he makes errors [/quote]

Well done at recognising the fact that Martin makes errors, it may explain peoples comments about him.

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I''m a big fan of Russ Martin, a model Pro who clearly loves this club and always gives 110%. Yes, he makes mistakes and I do think that he is certainly our weakest centre back, but, he also has alot of respect from the players, has a huge influence on the squad on and off the pitch. He is a superb captain, so its hard to leave him out.

I feel for Ryan Bennett but he will have to bide his time and wait for an injury or suspension, when that happens, it will be hard to dislodge him.

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