Trawling canary 0 Posted August 30, 2015 One with an owner with ambition and money the other relatively poor and well past their sell by date Size of gap today evident to see time for Delia to take a reality check Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted August 30, 2015 Yep, we should sell to a foreign owner, definitely.It has worked out wonderfully for Blackburn, Fulham and Birmingham.Leeds, Cardiff and QPR are run by wonderfully sane people and their investments see them in a much better position than they were before.Reading and Nottingham Forest have seen a real upturn in fortunes.And that''s before mentioning Portsmouth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted August 30, 2015 Waveney Canary - Canary Legend - thread deleted - banned - log in under yet another account - Trawling Canary - welcome back Waveney.[:''(] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 936 Posted August 30, 2015 I think you''ll find that in the last 2 years Southampton have sold players with a value of around £120m and brought in players with a value of around £20m.Where is the ambition in that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haggerdoo 6 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="Trawling canary"]One with an owner with ambition and money the other relatively poor and well past their sell by date Size of gap today evident to see time for Delia to take a reality check[/quote]Crawling back out of the woodwork Waveney you cancerous little c*nt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ali Dia 0 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="Making Plans"]I think you''ll find that in the last 2 years Southampton have sold players with a value of around £120m and brought in players with a value of around £20m.Where is the ambition in that?[/quote]I''m not sure why you think that.2012/13Ramirez £12mMayuka £3.5mForren £4mDavis £500kRodriguez £7mClyne £2.5mYoshida £2.5mGazzaniga £2mBoruc freeTotal = £34m2013/14Lovren £8.5mWanyama £12.5mOsvaldo £15mTotal = £36m2014/15Tadic £11mPelle £8mForster £10mLong £12mBertrand £10mMane £10mGardos £6mTotal = £67m2015/16Clasie £8mRomeu £5mCedric £5mJuanmi £5mMartina £1mStekelenburg £1m loan feeCaulker £1m loan fee...and possibly van Dijk for £11mTotal = £37mTotal for last 2 seasons = £104m Total for all Premier League years = £174mPlus they''ve spent £40m upgrading the training ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 936 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="Ali Dia"]I''m not sure why you think that.[/quote]Just going by what they said on the stream I was watching. But of course, they know nothing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellow 63 23 Posted August 30, 2015 Sure someone will put me right but didn''t Southampton declare themselves bankrupt and wipe out there massive debt while we actually paid off ours,maybe we should have gone the same route Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lets all have a Disco 0 Posted August 30, 2015 I think you''re dead right Yellow63. I find it hard to be too green-eyed about Southampton given their chosen route to PL establishment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted August 30, 2015 We should perhaps look at Swansea for some comparison to ourselves, they have either been very lucky over the years in the transfer market, or, are much better at it than us! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,558 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="yellow 63"]Sure someone will put me right but didn''t Southampton declare themselves bankrupt and wipe out there massive debt while we actually paid off ours,maybe we should have gone the same route[/quote]No and no. They didn''t go bankrupt and they did pay off all their debts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Shuck 183 Posted August 30, 2015 Swansea have done very well out of player sales as well.Redmond aside, I don''t see anyone who we''ll be selling for the sort of money that''ll bring in a couple of decent replacements anytime soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmericanNorwichFan 0 Posted August 30, 2015 Swansea have had a capable goal scorer in each of their early BPL seasons. From Danny Graham, to Michu etc. they also bought well (Bony) Ayew, Fabianski and Gomis on free transfers! FREE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted August 30, 2015 Why would potential signings see Swansea as a more attractive place to play than Norwich, or maybe they don''t? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,517 Posted August 30, 2015 One thing that worries me is that we look like the 2014/2015 Burnley team at the moment. And trying to stay up with team spirit and a bright young no nonsense manager. Maybe we are bringing in some big players shortly or we cannot manage to bring our first targets over the line. But today reminded me of the gulf in standards. But....I trust Alex Neil. It''s not the end of the world because we can play better than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The ghost of Michael Theoklitos 0 Posted August 30, 2015 [img]http://s30.postimg.org/3owkedv0x/wave.png[/img] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmericanNorwichFan 0 Posted August 30, 2015 I don''t think we can be compared to Burnley. We have a much better squad with more diversity. Lots of championship players in that Burnley team. You could say the same of Swansea (young manager). If anything I''d say Bournemouth is the most similar to Burnley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellow 63 23 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="yellow 63"]Sure someone will put me right but didn''t Southampton declare themselves bankrupt and wipe out there massive debt while we actually paid off ours,maybe we should have gone the same route[/quote]No and no. They didn''t go bankrupt and they did pay off all their debts.[/quote]Day on the old Stella clouded my memory this is what I was thinking of http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/8014811.stm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len 74 Posted August 30, 2015 Southampton buy players and then sell them to the top clubs for millions. Norwich is a where players come in for big money and then leave in order to bring down the wages bill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ali Dia 0 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="yellow 63"]Sure someone will put me right but didn''t Southampton declare themselves bankrupt and wipe out there massive debt while we actually paid off ours,maybe we should have gone the same route[/quote]No. Don''t get it confused with Portsmouth those parent company and football club both went into admin, they reneged multiple CVA''s, with over £140m of debt and weren''t punished for diluting one CVA with another.Southampton''s holding company went into administration, the football club didn''t. The football club has never been in admin so has never legally needed a CVA (p in the £ agreement).The debts of the football club were settled in full by Liebherr for £13m and they paid a further £4m when the club was promoted to the Premier League. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted August 30, 2015 [quote user="Ali Dia"]Southampton''s holding company went into administration, the football club didn''t.[/quote]I''m the world of football, that is basically the same thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted August 30, 2015 *in the world of football.We need an edit button. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,558 Posted August 31, 2015 [quote user="Ali Dia"][quote user="yellow 63"]Sure someone will put me right but didn''t Southampton declare themselves bankrupt and wipe out there massive debt while we actually paid off ours,maybe we should have gone the same route[/quote]No. Don''t get it confused with Portsmouth those parent company and football club both went into admin, they reneged multiple CVA''s, with over £140m of debt and weren''t punished for diluting one CVA with another.Southampton''s holding company went into administration, the football club didn''t. The football club has never been in admin so has never legally needed a CVA (p in the £ agreement).The debts of the football club were settled in full by Liebherr for £13m and they paid a further £4m when the club was promoted to the Premier League.[/quote]That is smoke and mirrors, which was easily seen through. The league investigation found that the two entities were inextricably linked and effectively one and the same:"The holding company has no income of its own; all revenue and expenditure is derived from the operation of Southampton Football Club and the associated stadium company.The holding company is solvent in its own right. It only becomes insolvent when account is taken of the position of Southampton football club and the other group companies."In other words the holding company only served, by accident or design, as a supposed shield against a ruling that the football club had gone into administration. That fooled no-one and the football club was docked 10 points as a penalty for adminstration. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,431 Posted August 31, 2015 The size of the Clubs is a bit of a Red Herring. It is the money available, and what the Club does with it that counts.Southampton have an owner Katharina Liebherr , that has loaned large lumps of money to the Club , in 2014 around £20m , when she was already owed around £30m. Southampton also borrowed money from the Vibrac Corporation, a company based in the British Virgin Isles that has provided finance to several other Premier League clubs. So they used debt , but in this case, unlike QPR, they used it well. At the end of 2014 Southampton had a debt of just under £50 million- all of which is now owed to the owner. Southampton still have a debt, as do most of the top clubs , but it is serviceable . Of course Southampton also have a terrific record of player sales , and seemingly put the money back into the squad. NCFC whilst now enjoying an expensive Category 1 academy haven''t produced any player that has netted an income that can make a difference to the first team squad for many years. The hard nosed money men would look at our academy and see £3m going in, and not much coming out. I suspect that this might be another subject for another day . At some point, and it wont be yet, NCFC will have to consider whether the model of neutrality in transfer windows is sufficient to gain a sustainable Premier League status. Those against will point to QPR, those for will point to Southampton and Swansea. But in order to do this it will take a rich owner who puts money into a club to buy players, or borrowing millions of pounds (or , in effect the same thing) I''m not advocating either. But it does surprise me that fans cant see the reality of our transfer window dealings . To sign a good striker , using our model, we will need to clear wages , and if this doesn''t happen we wont be signing many. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites