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How to keep the happy clappers 100% happy , keep bidding for a player you know wont be sold , you can then say we tried when the window slams shut .

Signings wise we have looked lost all summer all we can hope for now is a desperation buy or two on the last day .

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Why is it pointless? Player power is massive and I''m certain if he does kick off wolves would want to cash in on him. We would be giving him a chance in the prem and wolves wouldn''t want an unhappy player on their books. Plus every player has their price!!

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Maybe this is linked with the possible Hooper move. Wages being freed up will allow us to offer him a good enough package so that he will force the issue with Wolves?

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I think if this was happening 3/4 weeks earlier then Afobe and Norwich might be able to push a deal through. But with less than 6 days it is easy for Wolves to resist. They just don''t respond to Norwich for 24 hours, say the bid is too low, say they want £15m etc.

Afobe isn''t going to kick off in a massive way, refuse to play/train etc, as it would be too high risk for him.

Can you really imagine a club announcing that under no circumstance would Afobe be sold, only to sell him a week later? Just isn''t going to happen. Especially for a price Norwich would deem acceptable.

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Throw in Hooper & Laffs and 10 million it might just be enough to get Wolves thinking about it.

But as Others have said can''t see this one happenings, but better bids for Afobe than Murray.

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The whole thing about a player being not for sale is a load of rubbish, one manager in 100 might not come back with another bid but ultimately if we bid an amount that exceeds the value of the player by quite a bit then they''ll except it. Jackett can say all he wants but he doesn''t control the finances of the club. Baring in mind they paid 1.5m or something like that I''m sure more than 5x that will look good on the finance books....

''Star'' players move clubs all the time and let''s be honest afobe is obviously going to want to play premier league football.

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I tend to agree with Bethnal here.

Begs the question, though, why are we going back to a club that have publicly and categorically said no and also are not shy in revealing our activities - the conspiracy theorist in me wants to view this as some sort of master play for a different player but I can''t join the dots/fake the pictures..

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[quote user="Prem1"]How to keep the happy clappers 100% happy , keep bidding for a player you know wont be sold , you can then say we tried when the window slams shut . Signings wise we have looked lost all summer all we can hope for now is a desperation buy or two on the last day .[/quote]

 

 

The club can''t win can it, not according to your argument?

 

If we bid for players who are perceived as good targets and the type of player we would want, then you reckon its all a smokescreen as his club won''t want to sell and its therefore an exercise in keeping the fans happy without having to do anything.

 

Yet if the club bids for a player whose club is happy to sell then we''re buying people no-one else wants and its just an excuse to keep the fans happy anyway by bringing A.N.Other to the club.

 

What do we do? Bid for players who it is going to be difficult to get ("...whinge, whine, club won''t sell them to us, its just something to keep the happy clappers happy") or bid for those who no-one else wants ("...whinge, whine, they''ve only bought him in to keep the happy clappers happy") ??

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Some people would find something to moan about if you gave them a Ferrari, a villa on Ibiza, full of lovely ladies in skimpy bikinis and a free ever-refilling bank account with £1 million in it.

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Some people would find something to moan about if you gave them a Ferrari, a villa on Ibiza, full of lovely ladies in skimpy bikinis and a free ever-refilling bank account with £1 million in it.

Try me !

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[quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]Can you really imagine a club announcing that under no circumstance would Afobe be sold, only to sell him a week later? Just isn''t going to happen. Especially for a price Norwich would deem acceptable.[/quote]

Oh it does happen, Beth.

Chase... *COUGH*... Sutton.

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[quote user="Indy"]Throw in Hooper & Laffs and 10 million it might just be enough to get Wolves thinking about it.

But as Others have said can''t see this one happenings, but better bids for Afobe than Murray.[/quote]

What!? What a ridiculous offer.

Going on previous transfer fees, which have now been inflated, adding Laffs and Hooper to the deal pushes the value close to £20,000000!

We could still recoup the money we paid for Laffs and Hooper. Mind you, we''d be stupid to let Hooper go, IMO.

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[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="Indy"]Throw in Hooper & Laffs and 10 million it might just be enough to get Wolves thinking about it.

But as Others have said can''t see this one happenings, but better bids for Afobe than Murray.[/quote]

What!? What a ridiculous offer.

Going on previous transfer fees, which have now been inflated, adding Laffs and Hooper to the deal pushes the value close to £20,000000!

We could still recoup the money we paid for Laffs and Hooper. Mind you, we''d be stupid to let Hooper go, IMO.[/quote]

To add, the value is based on 10 million cash, plush the two players. that''s £18-20million in value. Well over the top.

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Unless we can force him into handing in a transfer request, we are going to have to pay well over the odds.

Only a week to go, wonder if we''ll really push the boat out...

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A chairman would never sell a player after a club statement stating the player would not be sold or would they ??

Chase merely trying to extract a little more money out of the Sutton sale, or was he merely trying to save face, having said that he would resign his position if Sutton wasn’t at the club for the start of the 1995/96 season in spite of having secretly already having agreed to sell him

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[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="Indy"]Throw in Hooper & Laffs and 10 million it might just be enough to get Wolves thinking about it.

But as Others have said can''t see this one happenings, but better bids for Afobe than Murray.[/quote]

What!? What a ridiculous offer.

Going on previous transfer fees, which have now been inflated, adding Laffs and Hooper to the deal pushes the value close to £20,000000!

We could still recoup the money we paid for Laffs and Hooper. Mind you, we''d be stupid to let Hooper go, IMO.[/quote]

To add, the value is based on 10 million cash, plush the two players. that''s £18-20million in value. Well over the top.[/quote]

You really think that anyone will pay more than a couple million for Laffs and Hooper might be worth a million or so more. Given that Wolves don''t want or need to sell so if 15 million is a starting bid we sure as hell won''t spend that much plus wages while Hooper, RVW & Laffs are still here.

Funny that no club has made firm enquiries yet on our strikers! Sporting were the only ones showing any interest.

So I''ll back my opinion that these two + 10 million might make them think.

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£8 million is just wasting everybodys time , i would say £12 million might make them twitch but it will take all year bidding for us to reach that price . Wolves don''t want to sell , there''s a better striker who is for sale at QPR bid what they want and who knows we might just get him .Its a better option than keep putting bids in that you know are never going to be accepted .

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[quote user="Chip20"]And if the bank account is ever-refilling, does it matter how much is in it?[/quote]

It does when you come to pay for something worth £1 million and your card gets rejected. ;-)

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The other unknown of course is whether Afobe has a buy out clause in his contract.

I think its interesting we have gone back again, must have been given some encouragement (prob from the player or agent) that there is still a chance they will do business given the very clear statement they made last week.

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I think the likelihood that he has a buyout clause is next to zero. Why would they come out with such a strong statement about him not being for sale if they know that should a bid come in matching the release clause, they would have no choice but to accept.

I think the possibility of Norwich have been given encouragement that the deal could still happen by his agent etc is more likely.

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Agree with that Jim. We all read the statement last week so unless there is some chance of forcing a change of heart then why would we go back with another offer?

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[quote user="Jim Smith"]The other unknown of course is whether Afobe has a buy out clause in his contract.

I think its interesting we have gone back again, must have been given some encouragement (prob from the player or agent) that there is still a chance they will do business given the very clear statement they made last week.[/quote]This may be have been mentioned before in the thread, but another possible factor is any sell-on clause that sends a chunk of the fee straight on to Arsenal. If so, we would need to tailor our bid(s) accordingly. The Express and Star story today has an interesting line as far as Afobe''s attitude goes, but it is hardly definitive:It is believed the only way Benik Afobe will leave the club is if he forces through a move himself. Early indications are that the player has no interest in doing just that.

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Wolves don''t want to sell, the player doesn''t want to leave and the offers we make are insulting. This would suggest that the club are not able or are not willing to make the level of bid necessary to make Wolves and the player think again.

The club are not going to spend big money on any player this summer. Those who think that this is fine as we can spend in January are deluding themselves. If we won''t spend it now we certainly will not do so in January when valuations become even more inflated.

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Do you really have no idea how negotiations work Crafty? And you seem very generous with somebody else''s money.

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It''s odd we''ve put in another bid after their public and unequivocal statement that he''s not for sale. Could be some behind the scenes shenanigans where the player''s agents have indicated he wants to move, or maybe Wolves would let him go for the right price and want to save face with their fans by giving the impression that the player forced the move.

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