The news we have all been dreading

[Hoola Han Solo 448]

It''s very likely we''ll play one up front for the majority of the season. This is very unlikely to be RvW, from the start of the season, at least. So this means he''d have to make an imoact from the bench. If we keep Hooper, and we needed a goal, you''d put him on instead of RvW every time. If you needed someone to hold it up, RvW just isn''t the man. Also, if both Jerome and Grabban stay, which you''d hope, one of these are likely to be on the bench. Again, personally I think these two are better options than RvW. This is of course ignoring the fact we may yet bring another striker in, plus we also have Lafferty as things stand.

I just can''t see where van Wolfswinkel is going to fit in unfortunately.

[lharman7 39]

Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU

Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t.

It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent.

[hogesar 9,618]

[quote user="lharman7"]Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU

Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t.

It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent.[/quote]

But Hooper wasn''t? And confidence isn''t a factor for Hooper? And Hooper only scores pens? etc etc.

[BroadstairsR 2,138]

Confidence shattered.

The ball was like a hot potato and, although he had done well to get himself into that position in the first place, he released it as soon as he could. His claims that he heard a ''call'' just emphasised that his head was in a very bad place.

This is not the place to post that clip though, it has been played a million times on TWTD and no doubt we will get it again should Rikki turn out for us in one of the friendlies.

[lharman7 39]

hogesar wrote the following post at 30/06/2015 6:24 PM:

lharman7 wrote:

Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players! www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t. It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent.

But Hooper wasn''t? And confidence isn''t a factor for Hooper? And Hooper only scores pens? etc etc.

Eh, who said anything about Hooper?

Nothing intelligent to respond with so you go on to another player?

[93vintage 16]

I just wonder how much of his leaving on loan was down to him not wanting to play in the Championship, becoming disillusioned with the club, and from the club''s perspective getting him off the wage bill.If Alex Neil can fit him in and doesn''t mind giving him a go then it could be beneficial to all parties if he''s put in the shop window with a view to possibly selling in the new year if things don''t work out.He''s still got two years left on his contract, so the only reasons to sell this window are that Alex Neil has someone better in mind or wants one less senior striker.

[Haggerdoo 6]

[quote user="Canary Dogg"]The club have just announced that the Wolf joins us for pre season training next week.

God help us[/quote]

My god you are tiresome Waveney, True Grit and whatever else you call yourself - jog on

[The Great Wall Of Tettey 0]

Should be given a chance. Now I''m fully aware change of division/country can be a big factor and may well be the deciding factor in this case but confidence and form is absolutely massive in football:

jerome...2 in 30 odd for palace last season, drops down and scores 20, now looks a bargain, massive threat and leading our attack? May well say it''s because he works hard bla bla, I''m sure he worked just as hard last season. Hit some form, high on confidence and now looks a great signing.

I still can''t help but feel hughtons tactics constantly hindered rvw. He''s not a loan forward, he doesn''t chase loose balls he''s a box striker. It''s exactly the same reason hooper, our most prolific striker on paper throughout his career, doesn''t start regularly for us. Premier league will suit 2 forwards in certain games, if he turns up and Neil approves of his work then he will get another chance.

New manager, new rules, new motivation.

[KoromaCrab 0]

@lharman7

Good video link you shared. It shows even the best of players (Ronaldo, Messi) have terrible misses in front of goal.

Also perhaps they were getting amazing consistent service so could afford to miss a few chances. Having seen Wolfwinkel''s goals at Sporting, it looks like he would have scored a lot of those chances that Messi and Ronaldo missed.

Wolfswinkel is also a sharp finisher which is evident in a lot of his goals at previous clubs.

[Feedthewolf 4,844]

[quote user="lharman7"]Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU

Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t.

It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent.[/quote]Yeah, I know all that. I just posted it because it''s funny, and every time someone mentions RVW that''s what I immediately think of. Well, that and the ''Who''s afraid of the big bad Wolf'' marketing campaign... *cringe*If AN thinks he''s worth a punt then I trust his judgement, and I''d love him to come good, but I just can''t see him fitting into the system.

[hogesar 9,618]

[quote user="lharman7"]hogesar wrote the following post at 30/06/2015 6:24 PM:

lharman7 wrote:

Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players! www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t. It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent.

But Hooper wasn''t? And confidence isn''t a factor for Hooper? And Hooper only scores pens? etc etc.

Eh, who said anything about Hooper?

Nothing intelligent to respond with so you go on to another player?[/quote]

Sorry, got you confused with Jaemae or whoever it was consistently bashing Hooper.

Regardless, criticising other posters football knowledge is pretty rich considering your view on the appointment of Alex Neil as manager:

"Sorry but I''m disgusted by his appointment. It''s another uninspiring decision by our board! "

[:D]

[lharman7 39]

hogesar wrote the following post at 30/06/2015 7:40 PM:

lharman7 wrote:

hogesar wrote the following post at 30/06/2015 6:24 PM: lharman7 wrote: Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players! www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t. It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent. But Hooper wasn''t? And confidence isn''t a factor for Hooper? And Hooper only scores pens? etc etc. Eh, who said anything about Hooper? Nothing intelligent to respond with so you go on to another player?

Sorry, got you confused with Jaemae or whoever it was consistently bashing Hooper.

Regardless, criticising other posters football knowledge is pretty rich considering your view on the appointment of Alex Neil as manager:

"Sorry but I''m disgusted by his appointment. It''s another uninspiring decision by our board! "

Big Smile [:D]

Jeez someones been a little busy hasn''t he?

I was neither right or wrong with that post though as it was down to an emotional post and how i felt at the time of AN''s appointment. Nothing to do with football knowledge!

[ZLF 271]

[quote user="Canary Dogg"]The club have just announced that the Wolf joins us for pre season training next week.

God help us[/quote]

Waveney successfully starting another troll thread.

God help us indeed

[Syteanric 1]

reserve matches and run outs against tin pot sides in the cup are best he can hope for.

will he be happy being 4th choice striker? if AN brings another front man in then surely RVW is gone?

[hogesar 9,618]

[quote user="lharman7"]hogesar wrote the following post at 30/06/2015 7:40 PM:

lharman7 wrote:

hogesar wrote the following post at 30/06/2015 6:24 PM: lharman7 wrote: Mishaps like that can happen to the best of players! www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4gdxLURgU Confidence is a huge factor in football. Some can easily deal with it and some can''t. It beggars belief that some posters on here fail to see that RVW was glaringly misused by Hughton and there negative posts says more about the posters football knowledge than it does RVW''s talent. But Hooper wasn''t? And confidence isn''t a factor for Hooper? And Hooper only scores pens? etc etc. Eh, who said anything about Hooper? Nothing intelligent to respond with so you go on to another player?

Sorry, got you confused with Jaemae or whoever it was consistently bashing Hooper.

Regardless, criticising other posters football knowledge is pretty rich considering your view on the appointment of Alex Neil as manager:

"Sorry but I''m disgusted by his appointment. It''s another uninspiring decision by our board! "

Big Smile [:D]

Jeez someones been a little busy hasn''t he?

I was neither right or wrong with that post though as it was down to an emotional post and how i felt at the time of AN''s appointment. Nothing to do with football knowledge![/quote]

Not busy really, just searched your name to see if i''d got you mixed up, which I had, that post was on the first page when you search your name. Did take up approx 13 seconds of my time, i''ll give you that.

Only brought it up because you decided to criticise others for football knowledge. I like how you can''t be right or wrong but people who ''feel at this time'' that RvW is a long distance away from being anywhere close to good enough for a PL striker clearly don''t know anything about football.

[Miss Bum Bum 0]

Generally most people think the Wolf was a Turkey he will be sold on and good riddance

His interview in France where he criticised all things Norwich especially the playing style and the food was a disgrace

[Gainer the Gopher 0]

Why was it a disgrace? The playing style sucked. There''s a reason there aren''t English-food restaurants in other countries.

[Miss Bum Bum 0]

[quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Why was it a disgrace? The playing style sucked. There''s a reason there aren''t English-food restaurants in other countries.[/quote]

Binner!

[Katie Borkins 1]

[quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]There''s a reason there aren''t English-food restaurants in other countries.[/quote]

Yeah, that good old fashioned American cuisine.

[img]https://pastortravisdsmith.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/fat-american-e1403791147871.jpg[/img]

[Newton 0]

Boring makes a factual relevant interesting perhaps slightly humourous  comment

NO CHANCE

[Thorny 0]

"His interview in France where he criticised all things Norwich especially the playing style and the food was a disgrace"

And that season with how we played and didn''t get results is very much spot on. Why fault a player for being honest?

New manager, whom you don''t really like but can get players ''playing'' is one heck of a difference people like you can''t really see. Give the manager and player a chance. If they don''t gel, so be it but why throw a tantrum about what exactly, your absurd opinion maybe but we''re all entitled to those.

I''d like to see the turn around in fortunes. Many said Neil wasn''t fit for purpose on signing, proved them wrong. RvW had a bad season but circumstances didn''t suite. He can play, he can score, we''ve to see it. AN maybe can do something, if he see''s it in RvW over the next few day and if the wolf want''s to prove his worth.

[Gainer the Gopher 0]

There are American-style restaurants all over Norwich. There are others made popular in America that serve non-American fare.

There are virtually 0 places selling pork pies and Yorkshire pudding anywhere in America. RVW said it too.

And now the fit, trim American babes are in YET ANOTHER Women''s World Cup Final.

What''s your point, Bore?

[CanaryChris 146]

Echoing the sentiment of many on this board, I think giving RvW a second bite of the cherry is only a good thing.

Although AN may prefer a 1 up-front formation, there may be opportunities to change things up and in some games perhaps start with two strikers.

There was great hope for us back in 2012-13 season, and RvW was part of that. Unfortunately, the coach lost the dressing room and the fans by xmas. Pity the board kept him on so long.

So lets rally behind him if AN wants to give him a second shot. As previously mentioned, if he can''t hack it in the prem, we can ship him off in the new year.

[Katie Borkins 1]

My point is America has a chronic obesity problem because your nation''s staple diet is incredibly unhealthy.

Once again you confuse popularity with quality. I am aware McDonald''s is a successful worldwide franchise, but in terms of quality you may as well throw out he food and eat the packaging.

[BroadstairsR 2,138]

I am gradually coming around to the idea that perhaps he should be given another chance under Alex Neil.

Even so, and even if he does impress, his status in the pecking order would likely remain unclear.

Initially, and as things stand at the moment, he would be fourth choice striker and would have to show a miraculous improvement to elevate himself. An injury to one of the others would likely present his best chance of an opening.

There is also the cost. Presumably his wages would equal those of his first season and this can then be seen as a rather unnecessary drain on resources, almost a luxury, in fact.

We are all, hopefully, anticipating a new striker as well so the arrival of such would further complicate matters.

The Club has invested a lot in this player and, as tempting as it is to recoup losses, it could well become a situation whereby they will be adding to these in the way an unfortunate casino gambler keeps on gambling in the hope that his luck will change. Chasing losses.

The compromise is to give him that chance but be resolute in the fact that, if there are not enough positive signs by the Winter Window, alternatives should be arranged. He will likely have shown enough to attract the attentions of Portuguese or Dutch clubs and may well bring in a million or two by way of consolation.

I will add that some of the comments in this thread have dismissed RVW as a complete footballing "duffer." TWTD could not label the player more harshly. He is, in fact, a decent enough striker with distinctive attributes that might well serve him best in some level of the game other than as a Norwich City Premier League player.

His spell at our club was a major disappointment, but it was not all bad and rarely has a player graced the Carrow Road turf where so little has gone right for him.

His luck is due to change, hopefully with us and if only to mitigate our losses in the market.

[Highland Canary 76]

A new starting striker is needed. Lafferty, Grabban and RvW should be sold. We can''t afford the luxury of a striker failure again. It makes no economic sense to try and recoup £8m but lose £100m on relegation.

[Yellow Wal 314]

Perhaps posters should realise that playing one up front under Hughton is nowhere near the same as playing one up front under AN.

AN demands mobility, pace and positive movement.

Because of that Grabban was preferred over Jerome when both were available just after AN arrived.

Jerome''s game has changed enormously since AN has arrived. His lazy, lackadaisical performance against Brentford was light years behind his performance in the final when he was superb.

If AN can change Jerome so much what might he be able to achieve with RvW.

Unless he, and we, are prepared to give RvW a chance we will never know.

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]Perhaps posters should realise that playing one up front under Hughton is nowhere near the same as playing one up front under AN.

AN demands mobility, pace and positive movement.

Because of that Grabban was preferred over Jerome when both were available just after AN arrived.

Jerome''s game has changed enormously since AN has arrived. His lazy, lackadaisical performance against Brentford was light years behind his performance in the final when he was superb.

If AN can change Jerome so much what might he be able to achieve with RvW.

Unless he, and we, are prepared to give RvW a chance we will never know.[/quote]But you also need some physical presence and power. It is a very demanding - and crucial - position. And the verdict from St-Etienne fans, who saw him play as the one up front for a season, was that he simply wasn''t physically strong enough for that role in Ligue 1. And Ligue 1 is less demanding than the Premier League.Many St-Etienne fans also thought he wasn''t technically good enough to play as a lone striker, but none believed he was physically up to the job. Which view ties in with how he played for us in that role for us.

[Yellow Wal 314]

PurpleCanary wrote the following post at 01/07/2015 11:12 AM:

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Yellow Wall wrote:

Perhaps posters should realise that playing one up front under Hughton is nowhere near the same as playing one up front under AN. AN demands mobility, pace and positive movement. Because of that Grabban was preferred over Jerome when both were available just after AN arrived. Jerome''s game has changed enormously since AN has arrived. His lazy, lackadaisical performance against Brentford was light years behind his performance in the final when he was superb. If AN can change Jerome so much what might he be able to achieve with RvW. Unless he, and we, are prepared to give RvW a chance we will never know.

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But you also need some physical presence and power. It is a very demanding - and crucial - position. And the verdict from St-Etienne fans, who saw him play as the one up front for a season, was that he simply wasn''t physically strong enough for that role in Ligue 1. And Ligue 1 is less demanding than the Premier League.

Many St-Etienne fans also thought he wasn''t technically good enough to play as a lone striker, but none believed he was physically up to the job. Which view ties in with how he played for us in that role for us.

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Firstly let me make one thing clear.

I am not putting forward a case for RvW to be included in the team.

I am not putting forward a case for RvW not to be sold.

What I am doing is saying that the decision whether to keep him or not should be taken after AN has had the opportunity to assess him. We can not, and should not, rule out the possibilit6y that AN sees something in the player that he likes and wants to work with.

As for ''But you also need some physical presence and power. It is a very demanding - and crucial - position.'', I know that football has moved on but a couple or so decades ago I believe defenders were just as ruthless and hard as they are today. During that era Gary Lineker often played a single striker role with excellent results and Clive Allen beat all goalscoring records at Spurs as a lone striker. Neither of those players could be described as physical or powerful. I am sure that with a little more thought I could think of a few more slight (and I wouldn''t really describe RvW as slight) strikers who were successful.

So much depends upon the system being played and what is expected from the lone striker.

[Indy 3,283]

We will be chasing a lot of games where we will need a good poaching striker to play alongside the likes of Jerome. We will need options and going into this season with Jerome, Grabban, RVW & Hooper on paper is far stronger the last time we came up.

Keep him and see how he developes under Neil, if it doesn''t work out , January comes round fast!