Once bitten, twice shy?

[Dean Coneys boots 1,531]

I wonder if pushing the boat out for RVW and him proving a very expensive flop has frightened the board into being a bit shy when it comes to making big signings?

We are not strongly linked with any marquee signings despite clearly needing quality over quantity in this window. And I fear that the whole RVW saga has left us fearful of making a go of it and therefore sticking with cheap journey men from higher leagues and unproven young English players.

Hope not. We need 3-4 quality players or I fear we will have the weakest squad by some way.

[Move Klose 303]

Well you could say that but on the other hand the Leroy fer transfer didn''t prove too bad. Paid about £4m for him and sold him for £8m.

But I do think we will avoid expensive foreign signings at the moment. Stick to British league/British players or players from abroad for small fee ie Larrivey and you can''t really blame the board for that.

There are bargains from abroad out there. Look at players like wanyama who cost celtic 900k from a mid table Belgium side and someone like van dijk who came from Dutch side gronigen for £2.5m. It''s more a matter of how good your scouts are at finding these gems.

[Herman 11,136]

We simply don''t have bucket loads of cash to splash out on ''Marquee'' signings. The club are taking their time and looking sensibly at qualty additions. The new guy Darnbrough has only just turned up so I presume they want to give him a bit of time to see what he comes up with. Rather they take their time than buy any old player simply to appease the fans.

[Trevor Hockey's Beard 606]

we need a strong squad with cover for every position.

There''s more satisfaction in finding a gem - I still have that Pink''un cover with 140 photos of Torres and one of Grant Holt.

Maybe RVW is at the back of their minds, but so too could be Snodders - a big splash of cash for Hull, one tackle from Joey Barton and that''s his season over.

[Miss Bum Bum 0]

I just think the club lacks the infrastructure and capability to find decent talent and if they do they don''t have the skills to negotiate properly

Doomed I tell you doomed Mark my words

[Horse Renoir 1]

Stop worrying!

We''ll stay up even if we don''t sign anyone else. Look at the following sentence carefully and just take in the utter absurdity of it

Relegated under Alex Neil

Yeah...I don''t think so.

This is the same core of players that have finished mid table in the PL twice with a poor mans version of our current manager and an extremely limited coach.

Jerome, Grabban and Hooper are also the best three strikers we''ve had at this level in the last few years, Johnson has developed into a far better player than last time, Vadis is potentially our best player and will be like a new signing, Redmond has another years expirience etc and you have to take into account thinks like upward momentum

I seriously wouldn''t be adverse to signing one more CB and spending whatever we have left on a new stand but regardless the panicking on here is laughable, look at that sentence again ''relegated under Alex Neil'' IT''S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

[Move Klose 303]

I definately admire your confidence Ricky spanish.

Totally agree with what you say about our strikers, Odjijda-Ofoe & Redmond.

Definetly need a centre half, someone to fill in at LB whilst Olsson is out and some competition for Whittaker.

[Tetteys Jig 851]

Van Dijk would be all of them 3 solved. After Celtic have used him to get to the champs league group stages, we should steal a March and nab him.

[TheTetteyRole 0]

What I''m thinking is that if we got van Dijk, which would be a fantastic bit of business, would Martin be pushed out right or benched? He said that he believes he''s future is in the centre.

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

[quote user="Stiflers Mom"]I just think the club lacks the infrastructure and capability to find decent talent and if they do they don''t have the skills to negotiate properly

Doomed I tell you doomed Mark my words[/quote]

You''re a f**king d**khead.

[Fuzzar 1,861]

I''m pretty sure van Dijk will be on Southampton''s radar now Jimmy.

[CanaryOne 0]

[quote user="Herman "]We simply don''t have bucket loads of cash to splash out on ''Marquee'' signings. The club are taking their time and looking sensibly at qualty additions. The new guy Darnbrough has only just turned up so I presume they want to give him a bit of time to see what he comes up with. Rather they take their time than buy any old player simply to appease the fans.[/quote]But why don''t we have bucket loads of cash ? this will be our 4th season in 5 in the land of milk and honey yet still we come across as the little club that do not really belong here . If we want to become a Swansea or Southampton and become an established top flight club we are going to have to start making Marquee signings .Quality does not come cheap as we have learned from numerous attempts at appointing cheap managers . Bottom line is if our owners are not up to running a top flight football club they should stand down and let somebody else have a go , they are a millstone around our necks halting progression .

[Miss Bum Bum 0]

Canaryone I have to say this is for me post of the year. Very wise words indeed.

So far been one of the worst closed season on record bearing in mind the optimistic atmosphere after the playoff final how quickly they have screwed it up.

How much longer must we suffer?

[Herman 11,136]

"How much longer must we suffer?"Yes, Waveney. Quite a lot of posters are thinking the same.

[mrs miggins 0]

Indeed, we should have quite a bit of cash, more than the other two promoted clubs as we also receive parachute payments (as well as the fact that we were in the PL for 3 seasons recently, wiping off our debt). Mcnally says that we''ll be buying 5-7 players, I expect at least two of them to cost more than £7m. And I should point out this is the strategy we should be going for; we don''t need to buy that many players but what we do buy, they need to be quality.

[mrs miggins 0]

Stiflers Mom wrote the following post at 12/07/2015 1:35 PM:So far been one of the worst closed season on record bearing in mind the optimistic atmosphere after the playoff final how quickly they have screwed it up.

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why must you talk such bollox?

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

[quote user="Herman "]"How much longer must we suffer?"Yes, Waveney. Quite a lot of posters are thinking the same.[/quote]

Stiflers mom is waveney then, explains a lot. I take back the F**king D**khead comment, it should read F**king binner D**khead.

[lappinitup 629]

"But why don''t we have bucket loads of cash ? this will be our 4th season

in 5 in the land of milk and honey yet still we come across as the

little club that do not really belong here....."Who sees us that way apart from you?"If we want to become a

Swansea or Southampton and become an established top flight club we are

going to have to start making Marquee signings"If Mulumbu had have had two years left on his contract and we had paid £8m for him that would have been seen as a "marquee" signing. We did better than that, much better."Quality does not come

cheap as we have learned from numerous attempts at appointing cheap

managers"The most successful managers in our history were either internal appointments or relatively cheap replacements. Should we have paid £m''s for a ''name'' instead of Alex Neil?"Bottom line is if our owners are not up to running a top

flight football club they should stand down and let somebody else have a

go , they are a millstone around our necks halting progression"Ok, let''s play along.....Let''s assume D&M decide to sell up,  who do YOU want to see buy them out and take over running the club?Name names!

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,222]

I think you are on the wrong forum to be asking that question Stifler, you should be asking your fellow fans on TWTD how many more years they are going to suffer......

The important thing is we have a group of players that are together and with the manager, any player we sign will need to be buy into that ethos, big time charlies and mercenary journeymen need not apply........

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

[quote user="lappinitup"]"But why don''t we have bucket loads of cash ? this will be our 4th season

in 5 in the land of milk and honey yet still we come across as the

little club that do not really belong here....."Who sees us that way apart from you?"If we want to become a

Swansea or Southampton and become an established top flight club we are

going to have to start making Marquee signings"If Mulumbu had have had two years left on his contract and we had paid £8m for him that would have been seen as a "marquee" signing. We did better than that, much better."Quality does not come

cheap as we have learned from numerous attempts at appointing cheap

managers"The most successful managers in our history were either internal appointments or relatively cheap replacements. Should we have paid £m''s for a ''name'' instead of Alex Neil?"Bottom line is if our owners are not up to running a top

flight football club they should stand down and let somebody else have a

go , they are a millstone around our necks halting progression"Ok, let''s play along.....Let''s assume D&M decide to sell up,  who do YOU want to see buy them out and take over running the club?Name names!

[/quote]

Maybe Marcus Evans might be interested Lappin, if he wants to taste PL success in East Anglia of course.

[Herman 11,136]

[quote user="CanaryOne"][quote user="Herman "]We simply don''t have bucket loads of cash to splash out on ''Marquee'' signings. The club are taking their time and looking sensibly at qualty additions. The new guy Darnbrough has only just turned up so I presume they want to give him a bit of time to see what he comes up with. Rather they take their time than buy any old player simply to appease the fans.[/quote]But why don''t we have bucket loads of cash ? this will be our 4th season in 5 in the land of milk and honey yet still we come across as the little club that do not really belong here . If we want to become a Swansea or Southampton and become an established top flight club we are going to have to start making Marquee signings .Quality does not come cheap as we have learned from numerous attempts at appointing cheap managers . Bottom line is if our owners are not up to running a top flight football club they should stand down and let somebody else have a go , they are a millstone around our necks halting progression .[/quote]Maybe the OP has a point. The last ''Marquee'' signing was such a disaster that they aren''t going down that route and looking at ''non-marquee'' signings like Cameron Jerome, who came without an enormous fanfare, but did his job fantastically.Anyway as to the last five season''s.The first two the money went on paying off debts and recruiting new management staff.The third the money went on expensive ''marquee'' signings. That went well.The fourth went on paying off and recruiting new managerial staff. A lot went on rebuilding the squad to get us out of the mess from the previous season.And we haven''t got money for this season yet.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="mrs miggins"]And I should point out this is the strategy we should be going for; we don''t need to buy that many players but what we do buy, they need to be quality.[/quote]Blimey Miggo, I bet neither McNally, Alex Neil nor the scouting staff have thought of that. [:O]You should e-mail them straight away. [:S]

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Daz Sparks"]Maybe Marcus Evans might be interested Lappin, if he wants to taste PL success in East Anglia of course.[/quote]People keep whining about wanting ''new investors'' but none of them have any suggestions about who these people might be.(Father Christmas hasn''t got much on at the moment). [;)][:D]

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Daz Sparks"]Maybe Marcus Evans might be interested Lappin, if he wants to taste PL success in East Anglia of course.[/quote]People keep whining about wanting ''new investors'' but none of them have any suggestions about who these people might be.(Father Christmas hasn''t got much on at the moment). [;)][:D][/quote]

The whole thing is a non debate, Delia IS majority share holder, we ARE in the PL, in the light of those facts, I fail to see any mileage in talking about a change of ownership. Maybe Delia''s retirement is on the horizon, maybe not, and until she brings it up, we are firmly under their stewardship, and with McNally as Chief Exec, what is there to worry about?

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Daz Sparks"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Daz Sparks"]Maybe Marcus Evans might be interested Lappin, if he wants to taste PL success in East Anglia of course.[/quote]People keep whining about wanting ''new investors'' but none of them have any suggestions about who these people might be.(Father Christmas hasn''t got much on at the moment). [;)][:D][/quote]

The whole thing is a non debate, Delia IS majority share holder, we ARE in the PL, in the light of those facts, I fail to see any mileage in talking about a change of ownership. Maybe Delia''s retirement is on the horizon, maybe not, and until she brings it up, we are firmly under their stewardship, and with McNally as Chief Exec, what is there to worry about?[/quote][Y]

[grefstad 0]

[quote user="Oh Cameron Jeroooooooome"]

There are bargains from abroad out there. Look at players like wanyama who cost celtic 900k from a mid table Belgium side and someone like van dijk who came from Dutch side gronigen for £2.5m. It''s more a matter of how good your scouts are at finding these gems.[/quote]

This. As long as I have followed Norwich, 30 years now, our scouting has been pretty poor. Almost non-existant for overseas scouting.

I dont have much faith in this Darnborough-fellow having knowledge of foreign "gems" either.

Or do you see us pick up Wanayamas for van Dijks for pennies in the lower leagues of Belgium and Holland?

Our "scouts" rarely have longer reach than Peterboro or Cambridge.

It''s a shame.

[mrs miggins 0]

Well the two signings so far have not been quality marquee signings Lappin. They''re players that will add competition to the team; they''re not automatic starters. Not complaining about the signings; Mulumbu on a free is a good bit of business. I hope we didn''t pay too much for Dorrans as he''ll be a rotation player I would''ve thought. We need cover at LB and competition at LM (perhaps a pacey winger as an alternative to BJ) and this won''t cost that much. However imo we a quality stand out player for CB and ST at least.

So you can keep your smart @rse comments Lapps because the only big signing rumoured has been Van Dijk.

[PurpleCanary 6,384]

[quote user="mrs miggins"]Well the two signings so far have not been quality marquee signings Lappin. They''re players that will add competition to the team; they''re not automatic starters. Not complaining about the signings; Mulumbu on a free is a good bit of business. I hope we didn''t pay too much for Dorrans as he''ll be a rotation player I would''ve thought. We need cover at LB and competition at LM (perhaps a pacey winger as an alternative to BJ) and this won''t cost that much. However imo we a quality stand out player for CB and ST at least.

So you can keep your smart @rse comments Lapps because the only big signing rumoured has been Van Dijk.[/quote]No. Mbokani certainly qualifies as a big signing and on the rumour-mill scale the link with him has been more substantial than that with van Dijk.

[chicken 0]

No player is going to be a certain starter at this level. Not unless we sign a player that is cut and dry a better player than what we have, essentially a player that looks consistantly top half prem.

It''s funny that the comparative teams mentioned actually do not tend to make "marquee" signings.

Southampton spent £10million+ on Ramirez. He''s still relatively young and was neither marquee at the time or has been since. Wanayama maybe? Again, for me, is yet to justify being called that. So who else? Pelle?

Swansea are the same. Michu was a relative nobody and bar one season for them has remained to be. Boney is possibly the only standout signing you could consider to fit the bill in terms of signings.

In fact most people have praised both clubs for their approach to signings and how the have stuck to their guns and predominantly brough through youth or sought rough diamonds/relatively underated players.

[mrs miggins 0]

chicken wrote the following post at 12/07/2015 3:00 PM:

No player is going to be a certain starter at this level. Not unless we sign a player that is cut and dry a better player than what we have, essentially a player that looks consistantly top half prem.

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I think you''ve sort of answered yourself there.

Marquee signings are not the likes of Dorrans and Mulumbu, but are players of much more quality which are most likely to be regular starters. Van Dijk is an example of a player who I think could regularly play for a top half side. As you say Bony was an example - signed for £12m. Wanyama - yes. All marquee signings which were signed to go straight in the first team. Dorrans was not bought to be a regular and nor was Mulumbu. Both are sufficient quality however to provide competition for VOO/Tettey/Andreu/Hoolahan/Howson, and we should be glad to have them. Now for the positions we are weakest in, we should really spend the money on the right player to ensure we are strong there - there''s no point buying a RB who''s as good as Whits at RB or a CB as good as Martin - we need an upgrade.