Gestede

[Thetford Yellow 0]

Further evidence that we cannot attract the quality of players we are seeking.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/22/watford-blackburn-rudy-gestede-fee

Watford''s ambition has clearly established them as a more attractive club to play for than us. How has this been allowed to happen?

Wake up clappers

[Move Klose 303]

To be fair there owners are showing plenty of ambition and are not afraid to splash a bit of cash.

Would''ve liked gestede here but oh well and now it seems lambert is wba bound with 1/3 on.

[Rich T The Biscuit 676]

Thetford, you moan about us not spending money but then want us to spend an over inflated about on a guy that has no premier league experience nor a fantastic scoring record.

I agree we need to spend money, but Gestede is NO BETTER than what we have!

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

I think Gestede would have been a good option. The general transfer situation is starting to get very silly. We seem to be following the Burnley model of last season and we know what happened there

[Grant Holts Moustache 113]

I thought you wanted big signings Thetford? How does Gestede fit into that? Premier league experienced players like Mulumbu and Dorrans are not big enough names for you but maybe missing out on a okay Championship striker is the end of the world.

Please try harder on your wind ups. You keep contradicting yourself.

[CanaryOne 0]

[quote user="Dead Canary"]I thought you wanted big signings Thetford? How does Gestede fit into that? Premier league experienced players like Mulumbu and Dorrans are not big enough names for you but maybe missing out on a okay Championship striker is the end of the world.

Please try harder on your wind ups. You keep contradicting yourself.[/quote]If we cannot afford an okay Championship striker please explain how we are going to sign a Premier experienced one ? we will end up with another unknown foreigner for a couple of million quid . Dorrans and Mulumbu may have top flight experience but they were not wanted by WBA who are usually relegation strugglers and Dorrans could not even hold down a starting place in our Championship side.Michael Turner and Russell Martin are Premier League experienced , would you want them as our center back pairing ?

[Horse Renoir 1]

If fancy foreign or big name signings excite your simple mind so much go support Watford or QPR then.

I''d prefer to support a club that intelligently builds teams and strategies for the future as opposed to splashing some billionaires (with no connection to the club) cash on whatever players are more famous or come from bigger clubs.

OP you simply don''t understand football or have the slightest understanding of how to run a club the right way. I''m sure you wouldn''t give two sh!ts if we wen''t bankrupt in a few years or got relegated this year as long as you got to see what you consider celebrities playing for us at CR.

Watford are actually showing incredible naivety, tearing apart the team that got them where they are and relying on unproved players they''ve barely scouted just because they came from large European teams (from inferior leagues like *cough* RVW *cough*)

[Move Klose 303]

I think 33 goals in 66 games in a side who haven''t been in the top 6 for the last 2 seasons is a pretty decent record.

[KeiranShikari_2 0]

''''If fancy foreign or big name signings excite your simple mind so much go support Watford or QPR then.''''

Feck off.

Gestede is pretty much and old fashioned target man.

[trabant 0]

Watford are signing a new team, we should take Troy Deeney off them

[Horse Renoir 1]

Feck you KeiranShikari :P

I was mostly referencing Wavenys other posts and threads as well as this one...and every other post where he''s gone green with envy over other clubs signing random no-marks from abroad.

This was just his latest in a long history of jealousy that just annoys me because his views are actually pretty standard for many of your average football fan

I remember all too well the jealousy over QPR/Cardiff/Reading etc''s signings because they sounded exotic and they all flopped. How about trusting the club that has done extremely well under this CEO since 2009 instead of crying about us not hoovering up the big names which excite simpletons like Waveny?

[Grant Holts Moustache 113]

Canary One. I never said we couldn''t afford Gestede. I''m sure we can but realistically would you pay £7m for him? Jermaine Defoe cost less than that, just as example. So no it doesn''t have to be an unknown foreign player.My gripe was with Thetford and his trolling. Unless of course you are he?

Also the whole Dorrans, Mulumbu being rejects is nonsense. Pulis doesn''t play with midfielders like those two. Neither are 6ft 4 cloggers so just don''t fit the style of the new manager and we have benefited from that. Yes they have been in relegation battles but they have been pretty successful in those and you won''t find too many premier league players who haven''t been in a relegation battle at some point in their career. Doesn''t make them bad players.

[KeiranShikari_2 0]

Fair enough. I think I started to subconsciously filter his posts.

In regards to this player I would be pretty jealous if Watford got him, mind. Well, maybe, depending on which striker we sign. I certainly wouldn''t want him to go to a rival side.

[craigbrown2015 0]

"Thetford, you moan about us not spending money but then want us to spend an over inflated about on a guy that has no premier league experience nor a fantastic scoring record.

I agree we need to spend money, but Gestede is NO BETTER than what we have!"

You say he isn''t better than what we have got? Well Gustede scored more goals than Grabban & Hooper last season. Last season 2014-15 he scored 22 goals - how many did Hooper & Grabban score 12 goals each.

Gustede’s goalscoring record

Stats (from wikipedia)

Cardiff City

Championship

2011-12 – 3 goals & 31 appearances

2012-13 – 5 goals & 27 appearances

Premier League

2013-14 – 1 goal & 5 appeances

Total goals at Cardiff – 9 goals

Blackburn Rovers

Championship

2013-14 – 1 goal & 7 appearances

2013-14 – 12 goals & 22 appearances

2014-15 – 22 goals & 73 appearances

He certainly has scored a lot of goals at Championship level - but I guess the question is could he score goals at Premier League level? He had 1 season in the Premier League with and only managed 1 goal. So I guess he is similar to Jerome - he has scored a lot of goals at Championship level - but not proven himself in the Premier League. Which is the case with Grabban and RVW - all have scored goals at previous clubs they have played for - but they haven''t proved themselves at Premier League level.

Gary Hooper is the only who has really done well for us in the Premier League - scoring 8 goals when we were relegated with Chris Hughton.

Also I feel the same myself - I am annoyed that we aren''t willing to spend our money - which is why we aren''t signing players. It''s the fault of McNally - he obviously can''t negotiate with clubs like Hull - which is why we haven''t signed Robbie Brady. We can''t just expect to sign players for peanuts....

[Thetford Yellow 0]

The point is not that we have failed to land Gestede but that (judging from his comments quoted in the Guardian''s item) Norwich is no longer considered a destination club - even for unproven players from a lower division side.

Our inability to sign any one of note would, i contend, appear to back up the theory that Gestede is not alone in his view that signing for NCFC is an unattractive career move. If someone like Gestede feels like this no wonder we have been unable to sign anyone of proven PL, Budesliga, Serie A, La Ligue etc etc quality.

[Mr Angry 2,014]

Ricky, I doubt that the players they have bought have been ''barely scouted'' as their worldwide scouting network is pretty much central to how they run their business.

Whether they will gel over the season is another matter though.

[Dr. Ink 0]

Well this one is off the list. Gone to Villa. Not much of a Benteke replacement. I''d be very underwhelmed as a Villa fan right now.

[Muddy funster 0]

Good signing in my opinion!

[Branston Pickle 4,145]

Just in reply to one of the more stupid posts on this thread, here''s some quotes from Brady. “This was my first choice; even if right at the death another club had come in I knew this was the place for me. You have to be patient. I was aware of Norwich’s interest but it is not the nicest position to be in when its going back and forth and you are not sure if it will happen. You just have to bide your time, and I trained like I always did. I am more than happy to be here. I think there was a couple of other clubs interested but to be fair once Norwich said they were interested, they came forward and were full-on with it I had that feeling of being wanted - that was a big part of it for me.”

....so we can''t attract players, then.

As for Gestede, I''d have probably had him here, but as a Villa fan, seeing him as a replacement for Benteke (who has almost single handed my kept Villa up for two seasons) I would think we''ve drawn the short straw.

[chicken 0]

[quote user="Muddy funster"]Good signing in my opinion![/quote]

Just a quick question if I may?

If we had signed Gested, instead of Grabban, and now would be signing Grabban to add to the side how would you feel?

A little head to head?

Grabban.

Age - 27

2014-15 - 12 goals in 36 appearances (bare in mind 13 of those are from the bench) in the Championship and cups.

2013-14 - 22 goals in 46 appearances (5 from the bench) in the Championship and cups.

Gestede

Age - 26

2014-15 - 22 goals in 44 appearances in the Championship and cups.

2013-14 - 14 goals in 33 appearances in the Championship and cups.

The last two seasons have been Gestedes best. Grabban, although playing at a lower level and often as a winger. Has scored more goals and played more games in his career.

That is shown in the fact that despite there only being a year between them - and according to wiki (other stats are from soccerbase) Grabban has 87 goals in 307 appearances as a striker/winger.

Gestede has 44 goals in 136 appearances as a striker.

It is important to remember that Grabban has been played as a winger primarily in some cases in the past. But to me, it still shows that Gestede is still somewhat of an unknown. He''s had one good season and one reasonable season in the championship which is comparable to Grabban, however, he doesn''t have much in terms of priors to that where as, all be it at a lower level, Grabban does.

As AN has said, better or different - he''s certainly not massively better on paper if he is at all.

[Michael Bates 12]

They are very different strikers though Chicken, Grabban being the striker that pulls defenders about and works his socks off. His key strength is pace and making those runs off the ball.

Gestede is more of a Target man who thrives on balls into the box and bringing other players into play. His aerial threat and strength to hold players off the ball are his key strengths.

We currently don''t have a striker that is excellent in the air, perhaps this is why we almost signed the celta vigo striker? linked with crouch gestede and fletcher etc..?

[Tetteys Jig 851]

I don''t think we were ever seriously in for Gestede. Not one I''m too bothered about not getting anyway.