kick it off 1,927 Posted June 12, 2015 So we have a new man for the role (I make him about number 36 in the last 5 years.Personally, I don''t understand why McNally has taken a gamble on him when he could have got a proven star for the role. Tom Cavendish was the obvious appointment here, but yet again, we go for the cheap option.... ;)Anyways - he was head of recruitment at Burnley last season but struggled to get anyone in due to their 20k per week wage ceiling apparently.Website below is not exactly known for being on the pulse, but I actually heard this on Twitter last week from someone involved with Burnley (long enough ago though to be fairly sure that this story isn''t based on that tweet). I do believe this to be true.http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/06/12/premier-league-new-boys-norwich-snap-up-ex-burnley-recruitment-c/? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheTetteyRole 0 Posted June 12, 2015 He broke Burnely''s transfer record by bringing in a un-proved player who didn''t score(?). Sound familiar? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 12, 2015 Also helped build a team that achieved automatic promotion out of free transfers though.List of player brought into Burnley under his watch:2013-2014Date Name From Fee1 July 2013 Tom Heaton Bristol City Free 1 July 2013 Alex Cisak Oldham Athletic Free 1 July 2013 Nick Liversedge Whitby Town Free 1 July 2013 Joseph Mills Reading Free 2 July 2013 Danijel Nizic Sydney FC Free 19 July 2013 Scott Arfield Huddersfield Town Free 19 July 2013 Ryan Noble Sunderland Free 1 August 2013 David Jones Wigan Athletic Free 13 August 2013 Kyle Brownhill Stockport County Free 14 November 2013 Micah Evans Unattached Free 10 January 2014 Ashley Barnes Brighton & Hove Albion Undisclosed 20 March 2014 Chris Baird Unattached Free2014-201527 June 2014 Michael Kightly Stoke City Undisclosed2 July 2014 Matt Gilks Blackpool Free [44]4 July 2014 Marvin Sordell Bolton Wanderers Undisclosed4 July 2014 Matthew Taylor West Ham United Free 7 July 2014 Steven Reid West Bromwich Albion Free15 July 2014 Lukas Jutkiewicz Middlesbrough Undisclosed15 August 2014 Stephen Ward Wolverhampton Wanderers Undisclosed1 September 2014 George Boyd Hull City Undisclosed8 January 2015 Michael Keane Manchester United Undisclosed10 March 2015 Fredrik Ulvestad Aalesund Free Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,530 Posted June 12, 2015 Not confirmed yet, I think. I don''t know how reliable that website is, but we certainly have a vacancy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 12, 2015 No not confirmed, but Burnley press were reporting it two weeks ago... As I said, I think this is probably legit. Suzanne Geldard @LT_Suzanne May 29As suggested in yesterday''s @lancstelegraph, Lee Darnborough has left Burnley as part of restructure. Understand he will join Norwich City Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted June 12, 2015 If this is indeed happening, does this mean we''ll be following Burnley''s policy of ''buying British''? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 13, 2015 McNally already said we will mainly be buying British so I guess it makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,515 Posted June 13, 2015 His job will be easy. Ther''s no pressure to buy big. We aren''t going to buy £10m plus players imo, we aren''t going to buy any expensive premiership cast offs, because we already have premiership quality in the squad, we are only going to get freebies or bargains or up and coming young players from lower leagues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,530 Posted June 13, 2015 I came across this from when he joined Burnely from West Brom:Now 35, he was a teenage goalkeeper with Oldham and made the first team bench on one occasion, but had to call time on his professional player career after a serious wrist injury. Remaining in sport, he gained a sports science degree at Leeds University and during that time played part time for Garforth Town.Having graduated he joined ProZone, the company that analyses player performance for several clubs including Burnley. That was in 2000 and he also had short spells working with Bolton and Aston Villa before landing a job with West Brom in 2004.For the first five years he was the Head of Performance Analysis but in June 2009 was promoted to the position of Head of Technical Recruitment. During his time at the Hawthorns he''s worked for Dan Ashworth, their Sporting Technical Director, and for managers Bryan Robson, Gary Megson, Tony Mowbray, Roberto Di Matteo, Roy Hodgson and more recently Steve Clarke.His appointment at Burnley was sanctioned during the time Eddie Howe was manager but his arrival next month has been supported by new boss Sean Dyche.Dyche said: “I have had some good discussions with him and it’s a similar model to what I had at my previous club. Some of his thoughts are similar to that, so it’s nothing I am not familiar with and he knows player selection is my final decision and that of the staff. “He’s aware of that and I think it will work really well. It’s the way, in my experience, a lot of clubs are looking now because as a manager you are very time bound. Time at the training ground has changed radically in my time. The days of in and out of the training ground quickly are not like that anymore. “We do DVD analysis, pre-hab programmes, weights programmes and all different things. The manager’s time has got harder to spread around so I think it’s a really good thing for the club moving forward.” He added: “We want as much information on targets as we can, never more so than we have to move out of the Premier League money and make sure we are acquiring targets that are suitable for the club and can help the team move forward. “It’s still not an exact science, the ins and outs of targeting and buying players, but the more you can put into the process, the better chance you have got of a better outcome.” Chief executive Lee Hoos sees this as an important role and said: “As the business of football gets more and more complex there is a greater need for intelligence and specialisation and this is a direction the club needs to go in."He looks, with that analytical background, as if he will fit in well in the football committee or whatever it is called. From that list of players posted higher it seems he has a nose for lower-level talent available cheaply or free. Just now, though, that is not generally what we need. And despite McNally''s comment about looking mainly in Britain, I imagine we will still be looking at some overseas targets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micky Phelan 0 Posted June 13, 2015 Good Luck......................................https://www.clubcall.com/burnley/alleged-email-begged-agents-for-help-1757773.html......................................http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/hoos-defends-burnley-agents-email-4062266......................................Hoos and Darnbrough no longer work for BFC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micky Phelan 0 Posted June 13, 2015 Oh by the way.A genuine good luck for this season from Burnley.Its tough up there but I''m sure you will adapt quickly as you''ve already got the nucleus of a Premier League squad.UTC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted June 13, 2015 So, with his background being in Prozone and technical analysis, does this mean the recruitment strategy is going to be predominantly based around stats and data? If so, I''m very sceptical of this approach which seems to be cropping up more and more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 261 Posted June 13, 2015 Little point belittling pro zone and stats; it has an essential part to play in the professional game; I wonder how long before football does the level of tracking seen in rugby where sensors detect drop in energy levels leading to an increase in errors, lost points and injuries so more timely substitutions?however I digressm it WILL be part of the assessment story - together with video and match obeservations - ie traditional scouting. Mind you if I was to rely on either just ProZone / stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted June 13, 2015 [quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]Little point belittling pro zone and stats; it has an essential part to play in the professional game; I wonder how long before football does the level of tracking seen in rugby where sensors detect drop in energy levels leading to an increase in errors, lost points and injuries so more timely substitutions?however I digressm it WILL be part of the assessment story - together with video and match obeservations - ie traditional scouting. Mind you if I was to rely on either just ProZone / stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose?[/quote]I''m not knocking Prozone or stats in the slightest- they are great for analysing fitness levels, work rate etc. and in training this sort of thing is essential. Any club would be daft not to use the stuff.But in terms of player recruitment, I don''t think it is the best way forward, compared to actually watching a player play football. Ronaldo (the original, proper one) was notorious for not covering much ground in a match and I once saw that a goalkeeper covered more ground in a match than him. Would that put people off of signing him? Similarly, would Prozone pick up the little pieces of magic that a flair player can produce? And how would it analyse them?In terms of scouting and recruitment, watching a player play football is more beneficial than looking at his stats, in my opinion. Even though Brentford''s new post-Warburton structure sees player recruitment based on statistical data. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted June 13, 2015 [quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]Mind you if I was to rely on either just ProZone / stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose[/quote]Shouldn''t that be........."Mind you if I was to rely on either Indy Bones stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose" [;)] [:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,655 Posted June 13, 2015 [quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]Mind you if I was to rely on either just ProZone / stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose[/quote]Shouldn''t that be........."Mind you if I was to rely on either Indy Bones stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose" [;)] [:D][/quote]I am all for it if it puts a stop to Newton''s £17 million being wasted again. [:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom cavendish 0 Posted June 15, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"]So we have a new man for the role (I make him about number 36 in the last 5 years.Personally, I don''t understand why McNally has taken a gamble on him when he could have got a proven star for the role. Tom Cavendish was the obvious appointment here, but yet again, we go for the cheap option.... ;) [/quote]It wasn''t for Norwich but last summer a manager offered me a role to replace their chief scout but I immediately declined it because the deal wasn''t even nearly enough to make it worth my while.It sometimes amazes me that clubs will pay a fortune to agents and yet football scouts whose impartial judgement is so vital (and they very rarely get the credit) are expected to work for little in comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted June 15, 2015 Does Bear Grylls know you were offered his job? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 15, 2015 LOL of course they did Tom. To be fair though, hardly shocking that Hethersett Athletic Reserves Under11s couldn''t offer you a more sizeable fee for your valuable services. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom cavendish 0 Posted June 15, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"]LOL of course they did Tom. To be fair though, hardly shocking that Hethersett Athletic Reserves Under11s couldn''t offer you a more sizeable fee for your valuable services.[/quote]It was for a big Football League club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted June 15, 2015 We could start our own football club up on here!We''ve already got the club doctor sorted and now we have a chief scout.I''ll clean the bogs! Anymore for anymore?if Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newton 0 Posted June 15, 2015 TIL 1010 wrote the following post at 13/06/2015 4:19 PM: lappinitup wrote: ZippersLeftFoot wrote:Mind you if I was to rely on either just ProZone / stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum chooseShouldn''t that be........."Mind you if I was to rely on either Indy Bones stats or Tom Cavendish who would this forum choose" I am all for it if it puts a stop to Newton''s £17 million being wasted again. What have they done with Adam''s dice & Weeja BoardSeeing the cr@p he signed last summer they must have formed the major part of our transfer policy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,496 Posted June 15, 2015 I''m fairly confident Newton is my favourite poster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 15, 2015 Cavendish, you''re full of $hit. Everyone knows you''re lying so why keep pretending? If you had been offered a head scout deal, a chance to progress your career through the football league, and potentially become head scout higher up the ladder, and you turned it down because you weren''t happy with the package, then you''d be a moron. As you dreamt up that fantasy, you''re a deluded moron. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted June 15, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"]Cavendish, you''re full of $hit. Everyone knows you''re lying so why keep pretending? If you had been offered a head scout deal, a chance to progress your career through the football league, and potentially become head scout higher up the ladder, and you turned it down because you weren''t happy with the package, then you''d be a moron. As you dreamt up that fantasy, you''re a deluded moron.[/quote]He''s a fully qualified troll though kio. [:)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 15, 2015 He''s a sad cvnt attention seeker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom cavendish 0 Posted June 15, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"]Cavendish, you''re full of $hit. Everyone knows you''re lying so why keep pretending? If you had been offered a head scout deal, a chance to progress your career through the football league, and potentially become head scout higher up the ladder, and you turned it down because you weren''t happy with the package, then you''d be a moron. As you dreamt up that fantasy, you''re a deluded moron.[/quote]What a shame that you are so abusive and you are wrong too.When I first got into football scouting it wasn''t for the money. I did it because I thought it was an interesting thing to learn more about. I was able to do it because running my own business allowed me to be flexible at times. Managers and chief scouts were happy to let me pick and choose what I wanted to do.I have my own business interests, a family and I want to stay in the local area. I wasn''t going to give that up for less money, less job security and a lot more time away from my family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,423 Posted June 15, 2015 I think he means he could only do the job in the school holidays Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,927 Posted June 15, 2015 I can see the queue forming round the block for your "insight" Tom."So what do you think about that defender Tom?"Well he plays in defence, and tries to stop the ball going into the net""Genius, thanks for the in depth analysis Tom, here''s a pay rise"You say it was an "interesting thing to learn about" yet you learnt absolutely fvck all, as your "scouting thoughts" posts are all moronic drivel stating the most obvious points that Stevie Wonder would have no trouble seeing.Basically, we all know you''re talking $hit. So stop, it''s boring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom cavendish 0 Posted June 15, 2015 [quote user="kick it off"]I can see the queue forming round the block for your "insight" Tom."So what do you think about that defender Tom?"Well he plays in defence, and tries to stop the ball going into the net""Genius, thanks for the in depth analysis Tom, here''s a pay rise"You say it was an "interesting thing to learn about" yet you learnt absolutely fvck all, as your "scouting thoughts" posts are all moronic drivel stating the most obvious points that Stevie Wonder would have no trouble seeing.Basically, we all know you''re talking $hit. So stop, it''s boring.[/quote]My opposition reports were always very detailed and were many pages long. However, when checking on potential signings at the request of a manager I would later receive a call asking whether it was worth taking further, so you have to keep it very concise. None of the players that I have been asked to watch were worth signing so they didn''t.Sometimes a manager would be looking for a particular type of player and would ask for suggestions. I would then write a report detailing why a particular player should be signed. I would also include background information.Whether or not you believe me is entirely up to you, but you should stop being abusive towards people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites