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[quote user="woostercanary"]Sky''s line rental charges, £16.40/month (or £196), are considerably higher than if you pay BT annually in advance (about£160).

Trouble is BT Infinity isn''t universally available and a BT Openreach engineer told me even if it is available in your area you have to be within 1km of your telephone exchange to benefit from it (we''re about 3km from our local exchange).[/quote]If you go on the BT website theres a thing you can do that tells you if its available in your area.  I think its more to do with whether or not the fibre has been laid down your street, rather than distance from exchange. In theory, fibre is lossless (virtually) and distance should be no object.

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I think the engineer was making the point that in very rural areas the fibre is taken to the local exchange and no further. Therefore, for us, the roll-out isn''t "to our street" but to our exchange.

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[quote user="woostercanary"]I think the engineer was making the point that in very rural areas the fibre is taken to the local exchange and no further. Therefore, for us, the roll-out isn''t "to our street" but to our exchange.[/quote]Ah right. Yeah there are rural areas that will never actually get fibre broadband, unfortunately.

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Have ordered the m8 from mortys link. £95 with delivery. Looks good

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[quote user="JF"]Have ordered the m8 from mortys link. £95 with delivery. Looks good[/quote]If you''re on facebook have a look at the nanotvonline facebook page, keeps you up to date with tips and software updates etc.

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Upload speed counts for a lot when you''re watching streams. You''re simultaneously sending other people part of the stream that you''re downloading, and if you can''t keep pace then others can stop sending you their data. (It helps if you''ve got UPnP switched on or port forwarding set up correctly on you router, otherwise it''s harder for you to upload to others).When I was on 8Mb ADSL max with an upload speed of 1Mb it was impossible to watch 4Mb streams, but usually okay to watch 2Mb ones. The latter seemed to depend on how many others were sharing (ie viewing) the stream and in general the lower the bitrate, the greater the stability.The Sopcast streams tend to be more stable than the Acestream ones, but

you need to connect early as Sopcast tend to take them down once the

game gets underway (you''re unaffected if you''re already watching).Note that big bitrates and higher definition don''t necessarily mean better, besides stability it was the quality of the motion that counted more. Eg you can get a full HD picture that''s jerky, or an SD one that''s smooth and more enjoyable to watch.The bottom line is that you should be able to find a stream to watch that''s better than most flash websites as long as you''ve got a reasonable net connection, say 3Mb+.

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[quote user="93vintage"]Upload speed counts for a lot when you''re watching streams. You''re simultaneously sending other people part of the stream that you''re downloading, and if you can''t keep pace then others can stop sending you their data. (It helps if you''ve got UPnP switched on or port forwarding set up correctly on you router, otherwise it''s harder for you to upload to others).When I was on 8Mb ADSL max with an upload speed of 1Mb it was impossible to watch 4Mb streams, but usually okay to watch 2Mb ones. The latter seemed to depend on how many others were sharing (ie viewing) the stream and in general the lower the bitrate, the greater the stability.The Sopcast streams tend to be more stable than the Acestream ones, but

you need to connect early as Sopcast tend to take them down once the

game gets underway (you''re unaffected if you''re already watching).Note that big bitrates and higher definition don''t necessarily mean better, besides stability it was the quality of the motion that counted more. Eg you can get a full HD picture that''s jerky, or an SD one that''s smooth and more enjoyable to watch.The bottom line is that you should be able to find a stream to watch that''s better than most flash websites as long as you''ve got a reasonable net connection, say 3Mb+.[/quote]Are you sure you''re not getting confused between streaming, and downloading torrents?

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Part of the original argument to switch off streaming was that 3pm on a Saturday is a cultural thing that should not be weakened through streaming matches.

The companies bringing the argument to court included Sky, who ensure there is a Saturday lunchtime fixture, a Saturday evening fixture, two Sunday matches and a Monday night game plus a Friday night match.

After that shower of hypocrisy, I say stream away.

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="BroadstairsR"]Not quite sure of the degree of irony in much of the above, but I would still want to jump vigorously in defence of the BBC.

The existence of the Beeb has always seemed to divide opinions.

Whether it is the licence fee, the manner in which it is levied or how much it amounts to, or the fact of the corporation''s very existence that causes antagonism is sometimes somewhat difficult to ascertain.

The BBC often seems far more appreciated throughout the World than it does at home. It''s news service, whether it be television or radio, World News or World service, is usually recognised for it''s quality and it''s fair and accurate reporting. It''s status is something for us Brits to be proud of and it''s independence is envied by many.

A massive amount of it''s productions, from Top Gear through crime series and onto period dramas, are dollar earners from the four corners of the Globe and, even if this money does go directly into the Corporation''s coffers, much of it filters through to those involved in theses productions.

I am not sure if the Beeb''s very existence is unique throughout the World, but the fact that it is not reliant upon incessant advertising places it apart from the myriad of channels that have mushroomed in the past decade pumping out repeats (and therefore providing the BBC with more added income,) and movies punctuated by advert after advert.

I watched Game of Thrones last night and I am sure that for every ten minutes of action we got nearly that in adverts. You find yourself fast-forwarding out of frustration, and invariably get it wrong.

The BBC is a bargain compared with all other subscription television and the fact that no money goes into shareholder''s pockets naturally helps with cost-effectiveness.

Sky get money from subscriptions which make the Beeb''s licence fee pale into insignificance, they get money from advertising, they get money from selling on their sport, yet they still come up with a flagship nonentity of a channel like Sky 1. It gets better with Atlantic in fairness.

As a BBC apologist I would venture to suggest that the BBC is a valuable National Institution and, whilst not on the level of the Welfare State and the NHS, takes it''s place somewhere in equal distance between these and the English Premier League (? cannot insert a smiley.) Critics will attack the principle of the licence fee, the perceived waste involved and the assumed "leftie" nature of the Corporation, but, to me at least, the thought of being a couch-potato without the Beeb is perfectly appalling. It is the sheet anchor of our viewing, it is always there and is as comforting and traditional as a pint of good old English real ale.

It might not be a case of "BBC for sport" any more, but the general quality is still there for all to appreciate.

"Sunday Morning Coming Round," J. Cash.[/quote]Bravo. A couple of points. The licence fee may not be the best way of funding the BBC, but most major western European countries have some kind of inescapable broadcasting tax. As for the BBC''s supposed left-wing bias, this is mainly put forward by those with a commercial or political axe to grind, and is a fantasy. If the BBC has an overall  "political" stance it is very much a conservative (with a lower-case) one of the maintenance of the status quo in terms of Britain being a capitalist society and a constitutional monarchy, with a formal role for religion, as opposed to being a republican parliamentary democracy, socialist and secular, or even just one or two of those three.[/quote]Utter bilge, Purple, I was hoping for a moment that you were one of the brighter bulbs in the pack [:|] The BBC is the spearhead of the 50 year, incremental, liberal/left revolution - those with a ''political axe to grind'' are right-wing and it certainly isn''t fantasy - overall politically conservative stance my eye!As proved by Labour''s demise and UKIP''S rise in the election, the BBC and the establishment need to realise this country is going through a social revolution - most people have now assessed liberalism and its objectives and have rejected it. The only problem is they still maintain political allegiance to parties that have not renounced it as well.Why do you think UKIP get harassed, scorned, ridiculed, derided, accused, mis-represented at every opportunity by every TV station (especially the BBC), media outlet, political party, government agency, public service body, county council, reporters, polling agencies etc -- I''ll tell you why: They all eat from the same EU gravy train and here''s the proof:7,733,611 €--EU contributions to the BBC YEARLYEU Propaganda channelLINK: [url]http://ec.europa.eu/budget/fts[/url]...Link above to find out who gets payments from EU annuallyNATIONAL UNION OF TEACHERS: 1,370,000 €/yearlyBirmingham city council 9,592,972 €324,823,397 €--OXFORD UNIVERSITY245,967,687 €--Cambridge University286,271,219 €--UCLDurham 51,677,768 €14,137,890 €--Essex Uniwestminster city council--7,999,652 €Leeds Uni-145,781,877 €cardiff councill-5,738,566 €cornwall council-18,000 €And the list goes ON and ON...This is why they have ignored the right-wing for the last 40 years, but now thankfully the majority of British people have finally awoken [:)]

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[quote user="Appletonandy"]Morty, did you consider getting a "jail broken" Apple TV box?[/quote]No.Without professing to knowing as much about Apple boxes, I''m pretty sure they wouldn''t be able to match the amount of channels etc that an android does.

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"]Upload speed counts for a lot when you''re watching streams. You''re simultaneously sending other people part of the stream that you''re downloading, and if you can''t keep pace then others can stop sending you their data. (It helps if you''ve got UPnP switched on or port forwarding set up correctly on you router, otherwise it''s harder for you to upload to others).When I was on 8Mb ADSL max with an upload speed of 1Mb it was impossible to watch 4Mb streams, but usually okay to watch 2Mb ones. The latter seemed to depend on how many others were sharing (ie viewing) the stream and in general the lower the bitrate, the greater the stability.The Sopcast streams tend to be more stable than the Acestream ones, but

you need to connect early as Sopcast tend to take them down once the

game gets underway (you''re unaffected if you''re already watching).Note that big bitrates and higher definition don''t necessarily mean better, besides stability it was the quality of the motion that counted more. Eg you can get a full HD picture that''s jerky, or an SD one that''s smooth and more enjoyable to watch.The bottom line is that you should be able to find a stream to watch that''s better than most flash websites as long as you''ve got a reasonable net connection, say 3Mb+.[/quote]Are you sure you''re not getting confused between streaming, and downloading torrents?[/quote]Yes, Acestream is based on bittorrent, an adaptation for video streams as opposed to files. The difference with using bittorrent is that sufficient speed is a prerequisite. A video stream needs a certain speed in order to be able to view it, but a file can always be downloaded over days/weeks/months on a slow connection.

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[quote user="93vintage"][quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"]Upload speed counts for a lot when you''re watching streams. You''re simultaneously sending other people part of the stream that you''re downloading, and if you can''t keep pace then others can stop sending you their data. (It helps if you''ve got UPnP switched on or port forwarding set up correctly on you router, otherwise it''s harder for you to upload to others).When I was on 8Mb ADSL max with an upload speed of 1Mb it was impossible to watch 4Mb streams, but usually okay to watch 2Mb ones. The latter seemed to depend on how many others were sharing (ie viewing) the stream and in general the lower the bitrate, the greater the stability.The Sopcast streams tend to be more stable than the Acestream ones, but

you need to connect early as Sopcast tend to take them down once the

game gets underway (you''re unaffected if you''re already watching).Note that big bitrates and higher definition don''t necessarily mean better, besides stability it was the quality of the motion that counted more. Eg you can get a full HD picture that''s jerky, or an SD one that''s smooth and more enjoyable to watch.The bottom line is that you should be able to find a stream to watch that''s better than most flash websites as long as you''ve got a reasonable net connection, say 3Mb+.[/quote]Are you sure you''re not getting confused between streaming, and downloading torrents?[/quote]Yes, Acestream is based on bittorrent, an adaptation for video streams as opposed to files. The difference with using bittorrent is that sufficient speed is a prerequisite. A video stream needs a certain speed in order to be able to view it, but a file can always be downloaded over days/weeks/months on a slow connection.[/quote]I fail to see how a streaming medium that is based on uploading as well as downloading could ever be a better idea / quality than your standard stream, based purely on download speed.

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The evidence for the BBC''s left-wing bias is so overwhelming that only someone of the same left-wing persuasion would believe that the BBC is neutral. The Left have collective "head in the sand syndrome" when it comes to the BBC''s bias [:@][url]http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf[/url]

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[quote user="quentin"]http://matricom.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/g-box-q-promo.pngThe G-Box Q - it''s a beautiful thing [:)]Exactly the same spec as the box I have, they all basically use the same processors / software.[/quote]

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"][quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"]Upload speed counts for a lot when you''re watching streams. You''re simultaneously sending other people part of the stream that you''re downloading, and if you can''t keep pace then others can stop sending you their data. (It helps if you''ve got UPnP switched on or port forwarding set up correctly on you router, otherwise it''s harder for you to upload to others).When I was on 8Mb ADSL max with an upload speed of 1Mb it was impossible to watch 4Mb streams, but usually okay to watch 2Mb ones. The latter seemed to depend on how many others were sharing (ie viewing) the stream and in general the lower the bitrate, the greater the stability.The Sopcast streams tend to be more stable than the Acestream ones, but

you need to connect early as Sopcast tend to take them down once the

game gets underway (you''re unaffected if you''re already watching).Note that big bitrates and higher definition don''t necessarily mean better, besides stability it was the quality of the motion that counted more. Eg you can get a full HD picture that''s jerky, or an SD one that''s smooth and more enjoyable to watch.The bottom line is that you should be able to find a stream to watch that''s better than most flash websites as long as you''ve got a reasonable net connection, say 3Mb+.[/quote]Are you sure you''re not getting confused between streaming, and downloading torrents?[/quote]Yes, Acestream is based on bittorrent, an adaptation for video streams as opposed to files. The difference with using bittorrent is that sufficient speed is a prerequisite. A video stream needs a certain speed in order to be able to view it, but a file can always be downloaded over days/weeks/months on a slow connection.[/quote]I fail to see how a streaming medium that is based on uploading as well as downloading could ever be a better idea / quality than your standard stream, based purely on download speed.[/quote]Standard streams are often better if available (eg iPlayer), but with copyrighted stuff anyone hosting needs a lot of bandwidth and is at risk of getting their site taken down and/or sued by the copyright holder. With torrenting the bandwidth burden is shared and it''s harder to trace/stop someone originating the data.But it''s the bandwidth that''s the bigger factor. A football match would be about 3Gigabytes per 4Mbit stream. Multiplied by 200 odd people = over 1/2 Terrabyte. And you''d need a 1Gigabit connection!

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[quote user="quentin"]The evidence for the BBC''s left-wing bias is so overwhelming that only someone of the same left-wing persuasion would believe that the BBC is neutral. The Left have collective "head in the sand syndrome" when it comes to the BBC''s bias [:@][url]http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf[/url][/quote]You right-wingers wont be happy until all that is left is Sky, Daily Mail, ITV and Heart FM. Or in other words, a culture-free British desert. Stop moaning about the Beeb, it''s something this country has got right (not perfect) and for God''s sake put down the Daily Mail and go and read something that isn''t hate filled, anti-British claptrap.You''ll get stomach ulcers reading that shite.

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[quote user="Herman "][quote user="quentin"]The evidence for the BBC''s left-wing bias is so overwhelming that only someone of the same left-wing persuasion would believe that the BBC is neutral. The Left have collective "head in the sand syndrome" when it comes to the BBC''s bias [:@][url]http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf[/url][/quote]You right-wingers wont be happy until all that is left is Sky, Daily Mail, ITV and Heart FM. Or in other words, a culture-free British desert. Stop moaning about the Beeb, it''s something this country has got right (not perfect) and for God''s sake put down the Daily Mail and go and read something that isn''t hate filled, anti-British claptrap.You''ll get stomach ulcers reading that shite.[/quote]
Well said Herman.

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[quote user="Herman "][quote user="quentin"]The evidence for the BBC''s left-wing bias is so overwhelming that only someone of the same left-wing persuasion would believe that the BBC is neutral. The Left have collective "head in the sand syndrome" when it comes to the BBC''s bias [:@][url]http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf[/url][/quote]You right-wingers wont be happy until all that is left is Sky, Daily Mail, ITV and Heart FM. Or in other words, a culture-free British desert. Stop moaning about the Beeb, it''s something this country has got right (not perfect) and for God''s sake put down the Daily Mail and go and read something that isn''t hate filled, anti-British claptrap.You''ll get stomach ulcers reading that shite.[/quote]Oh, do spare me the cr*p, Herman, you''ve never been able to see the wood for the trees - makes me wonder why you get involved in any political discourse.It''s all good though, you''re not alone - and it''s hypocrisy like yours and your ilk which is killing the British left [:D]

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[quote user="quentin"]The evidence for the BBC''s left-wing bias is so overwhelming that only someone of the same left-wing persuasion would believe that the BBC is neutral. The Left have collective "head in the sand syndrome" when it comes to the BBC''s bias [:@][url]http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/impartialityatthebbc.pdf[/url][/quote]Quentin, you are SO right. This is why, for example, the  last chairman of the BBC Trust was a former Tory cabinet minister, and why his successor is a former executive from the Financial Times, that breeding ground for anti-capitalists. And why the current BBC political editor, the man in charge of overseeing and shaping this key area in which the Beeb is supposed to be biased to the left, is a Tory.To be fair, I don''t think he actually writes speeches for a Tory PM, which is what, as I understand it, one of his predecessors did. And I am sure Nick Robinson is scrupulously even-handed. And ditto the BBC''s chief political interrogator over the last more than two decades - Jeremy Paxman. Who, after a youthful flirt with socialism, is a self-acknowledged Tory and was recently asked by the party to be a candidate.The idea that the BBC is biased towards the left is one of those "everyone knows" notions on a par with the "everyone knows" that Labour overspending caused the financial crisis in the UK, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and that Harold Wilson was sleeping with his secretary. What "everyone knew" was in each case not true.PS. If you are going to carry on with this argument I suggest you first get Sports Desk Pete, the moderator, to delete this earlier apparently serious - and if so unintentionally revealing - post of yours, because it hardly helps your case:Why do you think UKIP get harassed, scorned, ridiculed, derided,

accused, mis-represented at every opportunity by every TV station

(especially the BBC), media outlet, political party, government agency,

public service body, county council, reporters, polling agencies etc --

I''ll tell you why: They all eat from the same EU gravy train.

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Sorry Quentin but I don''t see as how your ranting is political discourse. And how is sticking up for the BBC hypocrisy?

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The Daily Mail are back in on the act.

"Just £2.4billion of BBC''s £5.1billion annual budget went on programmes

Remaining cash went on middle-managers, running its buildings and tea

Only £217million was spent on job of actually transmitting the programmes

MPs said the figures were ‘staggering’ and called for parliamentary inquiry."

The article, from Mail Online today also states that some £9, 194 was spent on booze in the year.

Well! I don''t know about you, but I think that''s rather reasonable and it pales into insignificance compared to that in this household.

I suppose it depends on who they have in the hospitality rooms these days.

No Oliver Reed, Georgie Best, Peter O''Toole and many other stars of the bottle these days.

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"Just £2.4billion of BBC''s £5.1billion annual budget went on programmes

Remaining cash went on middle-managers, running its buildings and tea"

Surely they could buy cheaper tea bags? Yorkshire Gold or Twinings are perfectly acceptable.

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[quote user="93vintage"][quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"][quote user="morty"][quote user="93vintage"]Upload speed counts for a lot when you''re watching streams. You''re simultaneously sending other people part of the stream that you''re downloading, and if you can''t keep pace then others can stop sending you their data. (It helps if you''ve got UPnP switched on or port forwarding set up correctly on you router, otherwise it''s harder for you to upload to others).When I was on 8Mb ADSL max with an upload speed of 1Mb it was impossible to watch 4Mb streams, but usually okay to watch 2Mb ones. The latter seemed to depend on how many others were sharing (ie viewing) the stream and in general the lower the bitrate, the greater the stability.The Sopcast streams tend to be more stable than the Acestream ones, but

you need to connect early as Sopcast tend to take them down once the

game gets underway (you''re unaffected if you''re already watching).Note that big bitrates and higher definition don''t necessarily mean better, besides stability it was the quality of the motion that counted more. Eg you can get a full HD picture that''s jerky, or an SD one that''s smooth and more enjoyable to watch.The bottom line is that you should be able to find a stream to watch that''s better than most flash websites as long as you''ve got a reasonable net connection, say 3Mb+.[/quote]Are you sure you''re not getting confused between streaming, and downloading torrents?[/quote]Yes, Acestream is based on bittorrent, an adaptation for video streams as opposed to files. The difference with using bittorrent is that sufficient speed is a prerequisite. A video stream needs a certain speed in order to be able to view it, but a file can always be downloaded over days/weeks/months on a slow connection.[/quote]I fail to see how a streaming medium that is based on uploading as well as downloading could ever be a better idea / quality than your standard stream, based purely on download speed.[/quote]Standard streams are often better if available (eg iPlayer), but with copyrighted stuff anyone hosting needs a lot of bandwidth and is at risk of getting their site taken down and/or sued by the copyright holder. With torrenting the bandwidth burden is shared and it''s harder to trace/stop someone originating the data.But it''s the bandwidth that''s the bigger factor. A football match would be about 3Gigabytes per 4Mbit stream. Multiplied by 200 odd people = over 1/2 Terrabyte. And you''d need a 1Gigabit connection![/quote]
Correctamondo!

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