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Seems similar to us with Bassong. When will the management learn that it''s a management issue if they can''t manage the larger than life characters. You don''t leave out your best players because you can''t manage them and if others in the dressing room can''t handle it then they should grow a pair.

Learn from our mistakes ECB or bring on the 5-0 whitewash in the ashes!

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Only in England could the prospects of Australia retaining the Ashes be

enhanced by a guy most famous for phone hacking, and judging people on a

Simon Cowell talent show. It''s brilliant!http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/kevin-pietersen-piers-morgan-calls-ecb-an-absolute-disgrace-as-former-england-captains-criticise-andrew-strausss-decision-10243140.html

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Tell me about it! It leaves me a bad taste to say this but i''m starting to agree more and more with what Piers Morgan tweets even if he is a fat winker!

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The tighter the dressing room, the better results will come from it

Just because he is a good player (sometimes, although is average has declined over the last few international years) doesn''t mean he should automatically get picked, and sod everything else. The minute he gets out to single figure scores etc, and drops a catch, then the whole picture will change.

He has shown his petulance, he could have handled it a lot more maturely, but chose to fluff up his ego instead.

His comments about giving the public a winning England team, were pathetic, and thinly disguised

It''s not a management or teammates problem to sort out, it''s Pietersens, and he has blown it months ago

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[quote user="Lessingham Canary"]At least Bassong never wrote a book !![/quote]

 

And I don''t think that Bassong fell out with every team he''s ever been in.

 

 

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Too old. Too divisive. Start building for the future and stop hankering for the past. If it takes taking a hammering from the Aussies then so be it.

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Pietersen has fallen out with most of the teams he has ever played for. In an earlier era Textgate would have seen him banned from the England team for life. He was lucky to be given a second chance. But it seems he is still too immature and egotistical to understand that cricket is at bottom a team game.

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His day is over and he has burned too many bridges.Scoring 300 against Leicestershire who have not won a county game in 2 seasons is not a reason to bring him backThankfully they have appointed Strauss who is a good man and dumped Dowton and Moores.

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He quit his IPL contract on the advice of the selectors and was told to go back to county level and score runs. He has.

Why don''t they give him a go in the next test and let his batting do the talking. If he fluffs up that, then he''s out, simple as. He''s 34, he still has a good couple of years in him yet. He''s also one of them batsmen that can completely turn a game and the only thing the Aussies will fear about us.

I just think it''s sad that our best players internationally at Football (Terry), Cycling (Wiggins in the TdF) and Cricket (KP) don''t get to showcase their talents at the top level and make us proud.

And yes, if we could have one on loan next season out of all the England players, it''d be John Terry.

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[quote user="PurpleCanary"]Pietersen has fallen out with most of the teams he has ever played for. In an earlier era Textgate would have seen him banned from the England team for life. He was lucky to be given a second chance. But it seems he is still too immature and egotistical to understand that cricket is at bottom a team game.[/quote]

A few poxy texts. Really? I bet you''ve never been critical of anyone behind their back before ever. It''s a mountain out of a molehill. Simply put, the team would perform better with KP in than not, even a filthy casual fan like me can see the bleeding obvious.

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[quote user="Molly Windley"]
His day is over and he has burned too many bridges.

Scoring 300 against Leicestershire who have not won a county game in 2 seasons is not a reason to bring him back

Thankfully they have appointed Strauss who is a good man and dumped Dowton and Moores.


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If you don''t include playing some students his previous innings were;

19

53 n.o. v Glamorgan

32

8 n.o. v Essex

 

He''s not set the second division of the county championship alight and I don''t recall the twitterers telling us these stats.

 

 

 

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[quote user="Molly Windley"]His day is over and he has burned too many bridges.Scoring 300 against Leicestershire who have not won a county game in 2 seasons is not a reason to bring him backThankfully they have appointed Strauss who is a good man and dumped Dowton and Moores.

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Better tell Sangakara to find a new job then...

Perhaps if KP is a specialist in getting 300+ against poor opposition we could have used him against NZ in the World Cup. Yes it''s a different form of cricket but it''s still the same game.

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[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]He quit his IPL contract on the advice of the selectors and was told to go back to county level and score runs. He has. Why don''t they give him a go in the next test and let his batting do the talking. If he fluffs up that, then he''s out, simple as. He''s 34, he still has a good couple of years in him yet. He''s also one of them batsmen that can completely turn a game and the only thing the Aussies will fear about us. I just think it''s sad that our best players internationally at Football (Terry), Cycling (Wiggins in the TdF) and Cricket (KP) don''t get to showcase their talents at the top level and make us proud. And yes, if we could have one on loan next season out of all the England players, it''d be John Terry.[/quote]

 

He didn''t quit his IPL contract, he''s still contracted to go and play after the group stages are over.

The Aussies would love to have him disrupting the dressing room like he did last time.

 

 

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WIth respect Jimmy I think this is papering over cracks if you were to select him in your team.

I have no idea what you have done in your sporting life, but from my own experience, of playing in various teams, captaining and managing a team, then there is not a snowballs chance, if I was an England cricket selector, of picking KP

On his day, he can be a great cricket player, but that isn''t the whole picture, and it''s the rest that has played a major part in him being where he is today

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[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]So even in them games, his overall average is 56. How terrible TC![/quote]

 

No, not terrible, just average and don''t forget it''s the second tier of the County Championship.

 

 

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I understand where you are coming from, I know it''s not much but only last night was I telling one of my defenders for my 6 a side team to lay off criticising our keeper as it was helping nobody but at the end of the day, there is such a gulf in class between KP and the next best alternative he should be picked all things considered.

It''s just like we found when we tried to replace Bassong with Miquel and Hooiveld. The latter two could be the nicest guys in the world but we were worse off with them as opposed to Bassong, the facts speak for themselves.

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[quote user="TCCANARY"]

[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]So even in them games, his overall average is 56. How terrible TC![/quote]

 

No, not terrible, just average and don''t forget it''s the second tier of the County Championship.

 

 

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And also a deliberately truncated sample of his innings so far. How about you take his entire average in his spell at Surrey before calling him average at Div 2 level.

Did you know that Lionel Messi has scored 0 goals in all the games he''s not scored in? He''s not good enough either.

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[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]He quit his IPL contract on the advice of the selectors and was told to go back to county level and score runs. He has.

Why don''t they give him a go in the next test and let his batting do the talking. If he fluffs up that, then he''s out, simple as. He''s 34, he still has a good couple of years in him yet. He''s also one of them batsmen that can completely turn a game and the only thing the Aussies will fear about us.

I just think it''s sad that our best players internationally at Football (Terry), Cycling (Wiggins in the TdF) and Cricket (KP) don''t get to showcase their talents at the top level and make us proud.

And yes, if we could have one on loan next season out of all the England players, it''d be John Terry.[/quote]You don''t need gob-shhhhts in your "team". If people can''t keep their mouth shut when they need to, or stop themselves from blabbing to the press etc - then they are a liability.I think a better example to compare KP to at this point in time is Roy Keane. Where-ever that man goes he is followed by bad news. Having left the job at Villa he recently criticized Sherewood for undermining Lambert''s regime and angling for the job long before he got it!Terry is due to his own issues. So far as I am aware he quit the England set up due to a lack of support shown to him by the FA etc whilst the investigation was on going (his captaincy was taken away I believe). He''s also no stranger to controversy having been in trouble before. If things are to be believed, several managers have approached him and asked him to return to international football since then but he has refused.KP wants to play for England again which is why it''s news.

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[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]I understand where you are coming from, I know it''s not much but only last night was I telling one of my defenders for my 6 a side team to lay off criticising our keeper as it was helping nobody but at the end of the day, there is such a gulf in class between KP and the next best alternative he should be picked all things considered.

It''s just like we found when we tried to replace Bassong with Miquel and Hooiveld. The latter two could be the nicest guys in the world but we were worse off with them as opposed to Bassong, the facts speak for themselves.[/quote]I don''t think you''re analogy of Bassong completely matches this situation.I''m yet to read Bassong''s book where he slates the majority of the team he was still hoping to be selected to play with.Anyway - as an Australian, I hope this affair drags on forever. Regardless of if KP end up playing or not. It''s a complete win-win for everyone England has to play.

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I would agree that ON HIS DAY, KP is a superb stroke player, but the risk is far too big, with a whole host of baggage.

I disagree that there is a gulf in class, as people like Root etc are starting to find their very young feet in international cricket, and as has been said already, if we take a beating by the Aussies (one step back) to ultimately blood young and up and coming talent, we may find that in a short space of Test Cricket time, we may be taking two steps forward

After the Strauss comments, I can''t wait for KP to reply, and I wouldn''t mind betting he gets out early, just so he can get in front of the microphones today! If he does, look out for the ''third party'' comments or what the ''public want'' variations........

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No way would I have KP back in the England team - far too divisive, he has only ever played for himself and would drive the dressing room apart; it simply isn''t worth it for a guy who is well into his 30s. There''s decent younger players who will do a good job and are far more deserving of a place.

That Graves fella ought to learn to wind his neck in a bit and not spout off quite so much, too - his comments about WI rather reminded me of Adams v Reading (though NA was not unreasonable).

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[quote user="Jimmy Smith"][quote user="TCCANARY"]

[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]So even in them games, his overall average is 56. How terrible TC![/quote]

 

No, not terrible, just average and don''t forget it''s the second tier of the County Championship.

 

 

[/quote] And also a deliberately truncated sample of his innings so far. How about you take his entire average in his spell at Surrey before calling him average at Div 2 level. Did you know that Lionel Messi has scored 0 goals in all the games he''s not scored in? He''s not good enough either.[/quote]

 

Despite being on their books he didn''t play any 4 day cricket for Surrey last year so apart from bashing some students that''s it.

 

 

 

 

 

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[quote user="Jimmy Smith"][quote user="PurpleCanary"]Pietersen has fallen out with most of the teams he has ever played for. In an earlier era Textgate would have seen him banned from the England team for life. He was lucky to be given a second chance. But it seems he is still too immature and egotistical to understand that cricket is at bottom a team game.[/quote]

A few poxy texts. Really? I bet you''ve never been critical of anyone behind their back before ever. It''s a mountain out of a molehill.
Simply put, the team would perform better with KP in than not, even a filthy casual fan like me can see the bleeding obvious.[/quote]I am sorry but that is nonsense. In a crucial test series he sent text to the opposition that were aimed at boosting their morale. Like most people I don''t know what went on behind the scenes in the tour of Australia after he had been forgiven and allowed a second chance, and I haven''t read his apparently very uncomplimentary book. But all through his career there has been a pattern of selfish behaviour. The truth is he has been lucky that people have been willing until now to give him chance after chance.

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I do feel sorry for KP in that he was "lead down the garden path" a little bit. He gave up a IPL and all the money involved to play in the County Championship with the belief that''s how he''d get his England place back.

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Swindon - do you feel sorry for all the carp KP had created before these last few weeks?

The only person who seems to have opened his gob too much was Graves, which wasn''t his remit, so lesson learned there we hope.

KP will not suffer financially you can guarantee

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